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Many in the Philadelphia Eagles community are speculating that the team will try to pry Nick Saban away from Alabama in the likely event that incumbent head coach Andy Reid is not retained after the 2012 NFL season.
Former Eagles QB and current ESPN NFL analyst Ron Jaworkski is most definitely not a member of that camp. In a radio interview with Philly’s 97.5 FM earlier this week, Jaws had some unkind words for the coach who has won three BCS titles and is on the cusp of a fourth.
“I’m not a Saban guy, because I don’t like liars, and I think he lied. I think he lied to the Miami Dolphins, and to the fans of Miami, and he left. And it’s pretty simple, I think integrity is very important, if you don’t have integrity, I don’t know how you can be successful.
“Yeah, I know he’s great at Alabama, and he’ll probably win another national championship, but I just don’t like people that don’t have integrity, so it’s pretty easy for me to say I don’t want Nick Saban in town.”
Time will tell if the backlash from Alabama fans against Jaworski will match that of what former Pitt LB Ralph Cindrich received after calling Saban a cheater this past summer.
"Any board that would ban 3yds is worthless"
I also doubt Saban will be as successful in the NFL as he has at Alabama -- he won't be allowed to cheat in recruiting (oversigning) since signing players is so much more regulated in the NFL with the draft, etc. He's a good coach, but oversigning has greatly bolstered his pedigree in FBS football.
He doesn't cheat in recruiting; he recruits within the rules.
He won't be able to dominate in the NFL like he does in college (I guess that would be unrealistic).
However, he's a very good football mind and should be coaching at the highest level. Someone will give him a shot. I just hope it's not the Browns.
"man we got some fuckin weirdos on this site." - Davebucknut 9/5/13 post of the year
He recruits within SEC rules. This results in an on-field competitive advantage when he faces most of the rest of the teams in FBS and the other half of the SEC who has enough morals not to oversign.
Bottom line: Against ~95% of the teams he plays he has an on-field competitive advantage before the ball is even kicked off. Call it what you will, but that *IS* the bottom line.
And just to add yes -- that was my point on Saban and I agree with your statement that "He won't be able to dominate in the NFL like he does in college (I guess that would be unrealistic)." In the NFL he will have to play by the same rules as everybody else when it comes to the players he signs. The other teams and coaches will be allowed to do all the same stuff with regard to roster management that only a few teams ('Bama, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas, etc.) do in college. Saban is a very good coach, but we really don't know how good because of the competitive advantage he has against the vast majority of teams that line up against him in college.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Razorback 16 months ago
An advantage is not cheating as it is within the rules of the governing body. You're imputing some moral duty which is a classic fallback when you're opposed by something superior. His teams play within the rules as set forth by the NCAA.
As a coach, in college he's downright dominant. NC's at two different schools and going for number 4. Essentially he's one of the best college coaches of all time.
A for a possible professional career, don't diminish him because of your interpretation of the rules. The difference in talent in the NFL is razor thin because they are the best of the best, not because of an alleged recruiting advantage.
So dominating at the professional level is an organizational issue, and a bit of luck.
In college the elite colleges will always have top talent, then it is on the coaches. Saban has proven when given talent he will dominate.
We can quibble back and forth about the technicalities but at the end of the day, teams that oversign like Alabama and Saban have an indisputable on-field competitive advantage over teams who do not have that luxury (or immoral inclination). When a team can manage its roster in a different manner that provides a competitive advantage when compared to another team that can't due to conference rules variations, it may not be technically definable as cheating, but it surely wouldn't be called a level playing field either which essentially equates to the same thing. There are no rules on oversigning set forth by the NCAA and that is the problem. The SEC conference allows its teams to recruit in a manner that provides an advantage over conferences (and individual teams -- about half of the SEC actually doesn't oversign) that don't allow oversigning. So as I've said, while it may not be technically definable as cheating, the results are the same.
As I said in my previous posts (as well as in other threads), Saban is a VERY good coach, but I think it's incredibly simple-minded to label him this "God" of the coaching world when the two schools he's won big at, he was able to play the game with a competitive advantage over most of the teams he's played against. Look at what he did at MSU when he was there (34-24 overall) and unable to oversign...I surely wouldn't call that dominant. Was there all of a sudden some "light" that went on in his head when he moved to the SEC that allowed him to start winning national titles? No. He was already a very good coach before arriving in the SEC. As with all folks who work hard to get better at something, I have no doubt he continued to improve and become a better and better coach. But let's not dismiss the significant advantage that oversigning and cutting players like they're in the pros provides.
He will not be dominant if he goes back to the NFL, just like he wasn't dominant when he was there before. While I think he's a very good coach as I've said, he is not this messiah you seem to believe he is. It is absolutely huge to be able to dump kids off your roster who are not contributing at the level you think they should be, and replace them with the latest hotshot recruit to see if that one pans out. Other teams would generally have to ride 4 years out with that recruit and try to make him into a contributor rather than flip their roster every year or two by pushing kids out who cannot "cut it". You say an "alleged" recruiting advantage. Are you making the case that oversigning does not provide an advantage over teams that do not (or cannot) practice it?
"In college the elite colleges will always have top talent, then it is on the coaches. Saban has proven when given talent he will dominate. "
Correct. And when you are able to have more talent than the vast majority of your opponents because you can flip your roster constantly and oversign recruits, you have an advantage over other top-tier squads who would generally be your equal because they do not have the ability to do it.
Edit: Just to add in for some additional reading -- this is a very good article that summarizes the impact of oversigning in cfb pretty well: http://www.thesportsbank.net/college-fball/sec-football-oversigning-cheatingmore-championships/
This post was edited by Razorback 16 months ago
Hey jaws!!.... Saban likes college football better ! Get over it! Nfl is garbage!
Shut up Jaws!
I don't care who offers Saban in the NFL, I just want him out of Tuscaloosa.
It could be the Browns, Eagles or the Titans. I don't care just get him the hell out of college football. PLEASE!!!
This guy isn't Saban he's Satan! And if he continues on in Tuscaloosa, he'll likely rack up another two or three crystal footballs. He'll become the Phil Jackson of this sport and I sure as hell don't want to live through anything comparable to that again.
With Saban out the way, we have a better chance. I'll take my chances going against Les Miles, Hugh Freeze, Mullen, Spurrier, Bielema, Kiffin, Stoops, Beamer, Mora, Jr., either of the Kelley's, Hoke, Patterson, Peterson or Mark Richt anyday over him.
If I had my way I'd offer him a $70 million contract just to get him away from CFB.
I want to take him down. tOSU- Bama 2013!
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or 2014 for that matter. I dont give a sh!t, I WANT TO BURY HIM. If he is looking into the pros though, I will take him. GO BROWNS!!
Oh look....it's word games chuck. Maybe chuck woolery looking to play scrabble? HE HAS A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE, PERIOD!!!!!! If one set of schools can sign more than another set of schools then that by definition is a competitive advantage. Because the NCAA doesn't hammer this practice does not make it ok. At one point you were allowed to sell you were allowed to sell your jersey or championship ring for money whileretaining eligibility. That is not the case now. While it is not cheating, it is certainly bending the rules. Saban does with recruiting what many do at income tax time when they state what they donated to Goodwill. By the way, how did Saban do in the Big Ten when he had to follow the NCAA prescribed rules? There are better coaches out there than him. Hell, Meyer has wone EVERYWHERE he has ever coached. Can't say the same as Saban.
Oh look Mr Self Righteous is back to tell people what's right.
There are better coaches? Who's that? Three national championships at two schools with a likely fourth coming. Hmmmm, sounds pretty good.
Like every other team in college, he recruits, coaches them, fields a team, and they play against the opposition. And the end result? He wins. And wins. And wins some more. Then wins some more. And why is that?
Because his teams are the best. PERIOD.
Down vote away like you normally do.
So, what is it like to hang from Saban' s short hairs? How did your boyfriend do at at Sparty? Thought so.....
You must have gone to Michigan; I hate to think someone as limited as you came from my school.
"I don't like Saban so he's not a good coach."
Yeah great argument needle dick.
Oh my! Don't let Tim Brando hear this. He may get his pink thong all in a bunch!
Meyer beat Saban before, and will do so again, calm down
I want to see him do it in a conference that doesn't allow over signing.
Correct! He has no proven track record of being able to overcome this.
Jimmy Johnson won a NC and 2 superbowls, Tom Osborne won 3 NC's, Woody Hayes won 5 NC's, Joe Paterno won 2 NC's, Bobby Bowden won 2 NC's, Urban Meyer has won 2 NC's......Bear Bryant won 6 NC's....
Nick Saban is a damn good college football coach....he is one coach on a long list of the best. He won't be the last either....
He is a good coach. Over signing would help anyone be even better.
Wow another discussion about over-signing. Wonderful.
For all you anti over-signing people. Please start a new thread and show us all were all these players getting cut articles are. I want to see hundreds of documents showing how bad it is for these kids to lose their schollies. Please send us your "please don't over-sign" sob stories to us.
Okl st over-signs, Baylor over-signs, several others in the Big12 do it, but don't hear complaints on them.
Trust me I hate the Seck more than anyone here, but using over-signing is just an excuse people. Stop. They have better coaching, better recruits, and have a Commish who wants what's best for the conference. Until the B1G does these things, then we are nothing.
I think anyone who over signs should be a target of this obvious impropriety. What say you?
It's funny you say that. When that tornado hit Tuscaloosa and missed the university by a football fields length I said to my friends " damn Satan wins again. He stomped every body in the area but left the university standing!" I told my best friend " I just wish it would have dropped his statue here, so I could piss all over it!"
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Overcome what? The guy has won three NC's and is likely to win #4. Hes a great coach.
Why is this so difficult for some of you to recognize?
Madam we all understand this. He is a really good coach. But you can't blame us for wanting to see what he could do, if he had to play by the EXACT same rules as everybody else. Anyone who thinks over signing is not an advantage is an IDIOT. Put it this way if you can only take 25 and you only have 1 scholly available for a QB, what happens if that 1 QB turns out to be oh say Philip Simms. Your stuck with him and likely not winning games. But when you can sign 35 and get away with it and you take 3 of the top 15 QB's available, well now then what's the odds all 3 are busts? VERY SLIM! it also prevents other schools from taking 1 or 2 of those QB's. Thus double the impact. Over signing is a filter system with a fail safe. You take mass recruits and then filter through them to get the best. If you can fit in the top 5 WR's and 1 goes hurt for the yr, the next guy is just as good. So it helps with quality of depth as well.
Got it now? Is the picture painted clear enough for you or do I need to get a bigger brush?
This post was edited by mark diaz 16 months ago
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