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I'm so excited about our recruiting class that I keep forgetting that we get Jordan hall back this year. Does he have a bigger impact on this offense than any freshman will have? And where does he fit into the offense now that Hyde has established himself as a beast at running back?
He's another weapon for sure, but I expect even more from Hyde next year.
He should be a freight train next year after another of Urbans offseasons.
It will be nice to see that depth.
"man we got some fuckin weirdos on this site." - Davebucknut 9/5/13 post of the year
Does Hall line up in the slot maybe? Return punts or kickoffs? We used Roby on kickoff returns last year in the michigan game so maybe we see those two back deep. We could also see marshal back deep. I'm sure hall will be somewhere in the backfield with a designed package for him. Urban was missing the guy he needed to run the jet sweep last year.
Hall will get some carries Im sure but the only real place I can see him making a difference is catching passes out of the backfield. If they give him too many carries our offense will take a step backwards in my opinion. Who knows I could be wrong.
5.5 ypc albeit only 40 carries last year ... Pretty good to me.
Hall will be an APB. Because of the offense's design and intent of misdirection, they will have to run Hall up the gut from time to time just to keep the defense from keying on him to the outside -- but his primary damage will be inflicted from the slot and from motioning out of the backfield. He will be a guy that likely takes the ball on jetsweeps, bubble screens, motions out of the backfield late, etc. They want to get him in space because he's just not big enough to run through (and stay upright) some of the hits he would take in the middle of the opposing defense.
If he stays healthy and works his tail off, he can help the return game, in the slot, and even running the ball. But we have some young studs coming up and some old studs (like Hyde & Philly Brown) returning. Time will tell.
if hall stays healthy you will see our kickoff returns improve vastly and he'll be a nice slot/2nd running back. kids a veteran now and he is clearly a leader in some way since he was voted by his peers to be a captain last season. as long as he doesnt cut into hydes carries, which he wont, i love having him back. it helps in the sense that we dont have to just throw a freshman or another inexperienced kid in there just becase we need to. if jalin isnt ready id rather him learn then be thrown in there in a season i expect to make a run at the title
I don't know...
Hall is good but....
Rod Smith definitely stepped it up a notch.....if he can keep his head focused on ball control he can do a lot more damage than Jordan Hall....
Plus.....Philly stepped his game up a pretty good notch....and if Marshall and Elliot are as good as advertised and depending on how the recruiting class shakes out in the end and the emergence of some very young, hungry and inspired players....
Hall being out a whole season could have a negative impact on him getting back on the field.
There's a possibility he will contribute significantly but there's also that chance he may be left in the dust. Those younger players behind him on the depth chart last season have had a chance to pass him up......
Depending on how healthy he stays he will definitely see snaps. I hope all the RBs bust their asses this winter, spring, and summer and take their game to the next level and I hope the O-line gets even better. Hyde, Smith, Dunn, and Ball are all extremely talented power backs, and Hall, Elliot, and Marshall are all very talented APBs. Our running game has the potential to be the best in the nation next year due to awesome O-line and RB coaching and a surplus of talented RBs. I know Hyde and Hall will probably be the two main backs if they're healthy but I wanna see us use this depth to pound opposing defenses into oblivion. I want to see someone in the opposing front 7 of every team we play to get cramps.
IF rod smith can but he has yet to prove that through 2 years. talent wise rod is easily one of our top 8 most talented football players. if you cant be trusted with the rock though you dont deserve to play
Beanie Wells and Eddie George had fumbling problems too, look what they did. Rod does need to work on that but he should get carries early in the season to get him ready for the Big Ten games because he could be a huge weapon.
they didnt have it for 2 straight seasons. i dont remember eddie as well since i was fairly young but beanies issues were freshman year. after that he was fine
I'm not a huge Jordan Hall fan as far as his football abilities are concerned. He's undersized and does not have elite speed or quickness. We have Hyde, Smith, Dunn, Ball returning plus the additions of Elliott and Marshall and now possibly Wilson switching from Oregon to OSU. To me he just muddles up the backfield. I know you can never have enough depth but my guess is that his return may, may cost us a transfer. If Elliott and Marshall are ready to play as freshman and Hall takes time from them it's a negative. I trust the staff to do the right thing. Perhaps Hall can help in the return game and as a third down back. My guess is the staff likes what Hall brings to the locker room as much, if not more than, what he brings to the field. I certainly wish no ill-will towards Hall. I just think his time has past and we need to see what Dunn, Ball, Elliott, Marshall, etc. can do. I guess Hall is a nice security blanket.
This post was edited by shep777 15 months ago
best players play. if he isnt one of the best he wont play
I don't remember Rod Smith having many fumbling issues last season....
He looked his best yet.....but so did Hyde and Hyde is the #1 TB/RB.
With Hyde, Smith, Dunn and Ball in the backfield line up.....this is just plain good news for us Buckeyes. We've got some great depth there....
...a huge reason for Alabama's success can attributed to RB depth:
Ingram, Richardson, Lacey and now Yeldon......
He definitely can play WR.
How can you say this after watching OSU in recent years? The most recent may be Snail Kline, Herron and others. Your statement is naive and absurd.
Boom Herron was the best RB we had (after Wells) until Carlos Hyde.
The ones you cited were before Meyer was here. Tressel and his staff were known for favoritism (and cronyism) and playing the oldest players, not always the best.
Meyer is known for playing the best players and not showing favoritism, so we'll see what happens.
Maurice Clarett, A.J. Hawk, Nick Mangold, Beanie Wells, Ted Ginn, Terrelle Pryor, Alex Boone, Santonio Holmes, John Simon, John Hankins, Jordan Hall, Kurt Coleman, Brandan Saine, James Laurenitis, Cameron Heyward, Zach Boren....
just to name a few....
All played and or started their freshman seasons.
I had to make a correction....Santonio Holmes red-shirted but to add....Michael Jenkins and Chris Gamble were both starters their freshman season.
What our opinions of the best players are is totally different than what the coaches see everyday that we don't....Tressel while his loyalty to his coaching staff was an anchor around his neck his last few seasons....definitely put the best players on the field.
You can't afford to lose at Ohio State and if you don't play the best players you certainly won't win.
This post was edited by Bearbuck 15 months ago
was klein not benched for the better boran by the end of the season? umm boom herron rushed for 1300 yards, how exactly was he not the best player? i guess if you dont like 1300 yard rb's with 15 td's then sure but otherwise your statement is fairly absurd
I definitely don't agree with that Bear. There were plenty of instances where (at least in my opinion) an older kid who brought less to the table received more playing time than a younger kid who appeared to be more talented. This didn't happen every single year at every single position, but often enough that there are lot of people who feel the way I do. And each situation usually comes with some specialized details as far as the situations --
You mentioned Maurice Clarett -- there was virtually no one on the roster who compared to him. It was like having Bauserman & Pryor on the roster together and deciding to start Bauserman. Any coach but Bollman would start Clarett, there. Not to mention coming off the 2001 season which was not very good, obviously it was time to try some different players in there (this one fits into what I mentioned below about it taking losses in order to get roster changes with JT -- we had an awful 2001 season and lost the bowl game as well -- it obviously time to try something new).
Look at Todd Boeckman -- Pryor should've been starting from the moment he stepped on the field. He gave the team a better chance to win even though he was less experienced and with that 2008 offensive line that couldn't block my grandma in pass protection, it was obvious that a drop-back passer wasn't going to work with that line. It took an utterly embarrassing loss to USC for JT to make the the change when it was obvious to the majority of the fanbase that he should've been starting before we even went to USC. And to be clear we still would've lost to USC even if Pryor was starting, but at least the personnel would have been optimal and we hopefully would have at least competed. Even if JT didn't start Pryor against YSU that year, by mid-way through the OU game, it should've been pretty obvious that Boeckman had regressed and just wasn't going to cut it. With a better line he might've been able to, but with that line, no way.
Brandon Saine -- 2010 season he continued to get more playing time than Jordan Hall, who was clearly the better back several games in, not to mention Jamaal Berry who never even got a shot and should have. Saine stunk it up so bad in 2010 that he had to be moved to WR at which point Herron started receiving virtually all the carries with an occasional bone thrown to Hall. No Berry, and no Hyde that year at all against anyone who mattered.
And when I am talking about JT, I am not talking about defense as the defensive coaches made their own personnel choices and those were generally pretty good & non favoring (although Storm Klein should've never played here). JT did not make those calls, Heacock Fickell did. JT made the calls on offense. It seems like the only time JT would finally start a younger kid, it would either be after a loss, an injury, or when the talent differential was just so incredibly absurd that he would go ahead and do it (Ginn is a great example here).
This post was edited by Razorback 15 months ago
People that say Jordan hall doesn't have talent are ignorant. His problem isn't ability, it's health.. he has not played healthy very often at OSU. When he is healthy though he can find and shoot through the hole very quickly. He has great acceleration but poor break away speed.
Agree. I'm a little concerned with the guys coming in that he may clog things up a bit, but he's a very good player and has a fully developed college body as a 5th year senior. If he can show he's better than the newbies through the end of fall camp, then he should play, and in this offense, he'll look good on the field.
you know i always enjoy your posts but i have two comments on this one: 1.) jamaal berry. never understand how people can defend a kid who was a trouble maker who had opportunities to prove himself on special teams and time and time again fell on his face. add in we dont get to see practices and have no idea what his work ethic or effort level were at. if he tranferred and went on to be a beast wherever he went id understand it but i still dont get how people can defend him.
2.) stepping foot on campus tp should have not been the starter over beokman. todd beokman led the team to the national championship the year before with a 64% completion percentage, nearly 2400 yards 25 tds and 14 int’s. in my opinion an unproven freshman shouldnt just walk in and start over a guy who did that for your team. now, after the second game when we got smoked by usc he was properly benched as he should have been, but let's not make it sound like todd wasnt deserving of his starting job at the beginning of 2008
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