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i've heard about kids leaving teams under bad circumstances, but damn, this just about takes the cake.
Read the whole thing. Looks like Jerry Kill just lost his best Wr who had been tearing it up with 8 tds on 30 catches as a walk on. He can transfer to any school with out sitting out as per Ncaa rules. Guy gets injured any Kill goes off on him. What a smuck. I was hoping to like Kill but sure got to take another look. I live 10 minutes from the Gopher practice facility and try to follow them when I can. The AD really fuc'd up when he fired Glenn Mason.Brewster guy they hired was the worse we had in 75yrs. And now we got a Manipulator rather than a Motivator. God help the Gophers.
Oh and thanks for posting this .
This post was edited by olref129665 20 months ago
Dammmmmmnnnnnnn! No wonder "ol' Jer" keeps having these strokes! Dude's head is like a tick about to pop!
WOW talk about pouring out your heart. Some shit going down there!
Those Who Stay Will Be Championshipless
2 sides to every "he said/she said" story and usually the "truth lies" somewhere in between.
but because barker went on the offensive, now kill is on the defensive. there's almost no defensible position he can take and still come out looking good. it's like asking a man if he still beats his wife: if he says no, he's admitting he used to beat her; if he says yes, he's admitting he not only used to beat her but still does. he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. so the only thing kill can do is say nothing, let his athletic director say he's launching an investigation--like they're doing at washington state--and hope that it comes out as nothing more than a disgruntled player's sour grapes.
Not sure what to make of this. Don't know much about Jerry, but that he has seizures.
Is this another Adam James type story?
Justread where Kill went off on some reporters for 10 minutes over some questions couple weeks ago ,they were thinking geeeze ,whens he gonna finish his rant.,. He seems to have some issues in his bags that spill out from time to time. There is pressure on him here but not like those with more winning traditions. He's done other notable things to degrade his players.....the fan base here in Minny seems split over it but bottom line Kill just lost his best reciever .
Whining boy, geeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Seems like the 'new-generation' cry baby to me. Life can be hard, you get bad breaks sometimes. Toughen up and deal with it instead of whining on the social media. I am not a fan of his quitting before the seasons over, but what really bothers me is the whining over the internet. Have that talk man-to-man with the coach behind closed doors instead of trying to build-up support from the general public. That's just my opinion.
I don't know which way to go. It's an incredible letter, well written and direct. But after awhile I started to think "enough already." D-1 college football coaches ARE manipulators. Many, if not most of them, are not nice, sensitive guys. A demanding coach needs to know how hard to push without pushing too hard.
Sounds like they already had a "man to man" talk behind closed doors where the player felt Kill attempted to build him up after tearing him down in front of the team.
IMO, it's a bad situation for both the kid and the coach.
This post was edited by Jimmy77 20 months ago
kid sounds like a bitch. why dont you grow a pair and say this to his face instead of taking it to the internet like such a tough guy.
These types of stories are always difficult, is there truth? Is the the player just being a bitch because he grew up with everyone telling him how special he was? I am not sure and it is difficult to judge. I am still under 30 so still pretty young, but I do not believe that it is any secret that todays football is much easier than yesterdays football. Going through college we couldn't even do back to back two-a-days. From the beginning of football coaches have got in players faces, coaches have a football background and just as players, some are more intense than others. The successful coaches are a able to read their audience and apply he correct form of motivation, me personally, I get more motivated when someone rips into me and I get pissed off, but I know that some players shut down because of that. As far as the injury is concerned, as mentioned above, there are alwasy two sides to a story and it also holds true that the person that comes clean first holds the position of leverage. The problem with sports is when a coach calls someone out in the media, he gets villified and most of the time arguably rightfully so. Really this is a no win situation, a talented player is now leaving his teammates and a coach is now going to be publicly scrutinized more so than usual which is also not easy for a team to deal with.
We may disagree on issues, but at the end of the day we are all Americans - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJoZiB-UGY&ob=av2e
I don't think many big-time schools will want this kid.
Barker should have had the MRI in the first place when he was told to get one. His self diagnosis cost him valuable rehab time and led to this needless and unfortunate confrontation.
If every injured kid wanted to chart his own rehab path, you'd have a terrible mess. Like this...
So he can do what, sit through another barrage of insults? It's one thing to motivate a kid, it's another to publicly demean him, especially one who has proven to be one of your better players and accomplished that without a scholarship.
so he can be a man. taking it to the internet is about as childish as it comes. he continually talked about how his parents raised him right and blah blah blah yet he just wrote an entire piece about what a piece of shit his coach is and how he hurt his feelings. was he jerry sanduskying the kid or something? these guys are a bunch of pussies these days and i dont feel bad saying it since im a whopping 2 years older than this clown. good luck in real life when no one gives a shit about your feelings buddy .
and get another barrage of insults... um ok. you're that much of pussy you cant take it? your coach his an old man, who's out of shape who suffers from seizures. not like he's going to physically hurt you and you cant protect yourself
This post was edited by great2belucky 20 months ago
Wut? This isn't some sort of sandbox disagreement, being a "pussy" and "taking it" has nothing to do with it. Besides, who says the coach isn't the pussy and should be able to take the public scrutiny? Don't like your dirty secrets being aired in a public forum coach? Then don't be a douchebag, especially to a kid you don't have any leverage over. Keep in mind, this kid wasn't on scholarship, this school and his coach took way more from him than he got in return, this kid didn't owe them a damned thing.
just my opinion, dont go to the internet with it
Too late, I already posted it on everyonethatdoesn'tjustshutupandtakeitisapussy.net
Well like fbollman, I agree that it can be a little hard to tell what is truth, exaggeration, or outright lies in these kinds of stories. There are always two sides to these things. When the Adam James story broke, I tended to side with the coach's perspective. It seemed like in that case, James was being melodramatic and used the story as a way to get back at his coach for humiliating him.
I tend to go the other way on this one, especially because the trouble seemed to center around a kid nursing an injury. This seems like a case where the coach was in fact manipulating his own training staff to downplay an injury to get a kid back sooner (at risk to the player's long-term health). I personally find that to be pretty serious, and well beyond what is acceptable. Not to mention the personal attacks as "motivational tactics". It is one thing to rip a kid for a poor effort on a particular play or their on-field effort, but telling a kid (especially a walk-on) that he is a dime-a-dozen and will never deserve a scholarship is beyond what is acceptable to me, especially considering the coach knew his value and was trying to rush him back onto the field.
all my point is is dont talk about how you were raised the right way then go to the internet to blast your coach. if you were raised the right way you'd know that being the bigger person and the mature one calls for saying nothing sometimes. if someone asked him about what happened in the media that's one thing but to make a blog about it, i say stop being a bitch and walk away as the bigger person
Well I think that the 'moral' action in his circumstance can be debated, and people may have differences of opinion in what the 'right way' to raise their child is. In terms of what the smart thing to do is, I can see both sides of the issue. On the one hand, I don't know too many major programs who would want him around given that, right or wrong, he's stirred up trouble for his current program. So any major program I could see passing on him as a direct result of this.
On the other hand, what his side of the story seems to suggest is a coach and culture in which the on-field needs of the football team come before player health and safety, where training staff withheld medical information from the player and/or purposefully misdiagnosed his injury to keep him on the field. When the player took his injury into his own hands to get a proper diagnosis, the training staff all of a sudden stepped up, and his coach seemingly demonized him for being injured. That, to me is unacceptable, and if it were my child, I would absolutely take steps to make it known where the program's priorities lie, and/or take action against the responsible parties. I don't know if there are more appropriate channels than an internet blog to take action on something like this, but I tend to think trying to settle something like this "in-house", especially if you are a walk on, would be a pretty uphill battle.
Now, like I said, there are a lot of ifs there, based on the players account being 100% accurate. We haven't heard the coach's side of the story yet, but we can probably assume that the truth is somewhere in between each version that gets put out there.
This post was edited by sinisterkid 20 months ago
I don't agree with the kid going public - just not done. And the situation, while it sucks, isn't something illegal or something that needs to be exposed to stop the coach. The other players can judge the coach for themselves and do what they must just like Barker....or not. They may be just fine with Kill and with staying, which makes this even less of a story. Just because one player gets butt-hurt because the coach is a ba$tard isn't a reason for that player to hurt the team on the way out the door.
That being said, I can see Barker's side of the story, too. I had a very similar injury that ended my playing days in college - both football and baseball. According to the trainers, I had a high ankle sprain during football season and I got treatments and they shot it up before the games and taped it up and I played on it for two weeks. Right up to the play where I got blown off the line because I couldn't plant on the foot and there was a hole big enough to drive two or three semis through! Hadn't hurt it any more, it seemed, but I decided to go see a doctor given my problems planting and pushing with that leg/ankle. Sure enough, I had detached all except one ligament in my ankle - Doc said that was it for football. I was a pitcher in baseball and, being my left leg that was hurt, I found out in the spring that it would wobble around when I planted it on the mound and it threw off my control. End of baseball.
I tell that story by way of saying, my own experience (and watching others in college sports) is that trainers will often minimize an injury and try to get you through it to play. That is sort of their job, but sometimes they can do more harm than good. If the coach (Kill) did most to all of what Barker says because Barker was on the trainers over that type of situation, I can see where he has reason to go elsewhere. If you can't trust your staff - or coach - you have to leave.
also kill came out and issued a statement. i miss the part where the kids feelings were hurt for being called a fag. after that internet rant i see why they called him one
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