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Think & hope what you will Perry Mason. Your sanctions are richly deserved and WON'T be lifted by anyone. Your program leaders conspired to keep the BIGGEST atrocity in college football history quiet so the program wouldn't be punished. You twats have NO respect or concern for the victims at all and only care for that goofy ass football program. I'm really going to enjoy watching and listening to you geeks cry & whine when you STILL lose! If you do win, it will be the biggest travesty in the history of this country! I guess you hick fools believe Spainer, Curly, & Schultz will all be found innocent as well. If they are, it's only because the fix is in by Corbett. The issues ARE the NCAA's jurisdiction because of the above stated cover up to keep the cash cow football program in a positive light. Just WHO are the others anyway? Inspector Gadget & Franco the idiot? No goofball turd from PA will never have the same credibility as the former director of the FBI who was paid by PeeSU to do the investigation in the first place. Any investigation coming from the mouth of Franco Harris & the like will be about as factual as something coming from the Nazi Party rallies in 1933. Rest in Purgatory PeeSU! It's where your program fully deserves to be and WILL stay. As far as myself and any other non delusional, decent human being in the world is concerned, you guys can take your forever & correctly tainted football program and shove it straight up the conspiring 4's ass!
Rest well in Hell "JoePa the Spineless!"
its getting old..looks like u really like talking about paedophilia
This post was edited by ghBuck23 15 months ago
Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...
Nowhere in that rant did you discuss the merits (or pitfalls) of the lawsuit. Sad.
Hey asshole, you get old! He started the shit by jumping in to share with us his fake glee and desperate hopes Ped State gets sympathy from the court. Why don't you just take your bleeding heart ass over to visit Jerry in the pen and take him some smokes, chocolate and new blankets to trade? As far as your feelings about my hatred for what happened over there go, what the fuck are you talking about? How about telling us more intel you gathered about twittering teenage recruits or sending them Facebook messages. Who likes Pedophilia again? You don't like my opinion of this sad issue?....TOUGH SHIT! Your ass won't change that opinion! Grow up, suck it up and move forward! "Cryami" can go to hell too!
This post was edited by BIGBUCK20 15 months ago
Sad? Fuck you ped state! How's that for sad? The lawsuit is a frivolous waste of Pa taxpayers money. Just like the current AG believes! There is the pitfall! Merits? There are none. A shameful waste of time and money!
Yes, I gave the DV's and I usually don't do that. It's been a shitty night all the way around!
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by BIGBUCK20 15 months ago
You have anger issues. And you still haven't said anything of substance on this matter.
Neither have you, or you delusional fan base. Your tainted program is the biggest embarrassment of all time. The program was put above the safety of young boys, when it was known they were being molested by a revered former assistant . That's a fact. Your program paid for it, therefore you get exactly what you deserved. I felt the death penalty was due.
You haven't addressed the NCAA/monopoly issue at all and the standing that PA has in this. That is what the Commonweath's lawsuit is all about. Until you address those issues, you are just huffing and puffing over nothing of substance. Try to stay on topic.
I dunno. It's kind of like a criminal giving his attorney his permission to cut a deal with a prosecutor, which the attorney does, but once the guy's in jail, he decides he doesn't like it and wants to renegotiate the deal. If the Commonwealth wasn't cool with it, it never should have given PSU's BOT permission to accept the penalties. And if the BOT wasn't authorized to take the deal in the first place, the state should have spoken up a lot sooner. That's my perspective. It may not be accurate and it may not be right but that's how I see it.
And for the record, I was one who advocated leniency and thought the death penalty was unwarranted and even the penalties PSU got was overkill. Feeling that way doesn't absolve the school of its culpability or by any stretch of the imagination is intended to minimize the pain Sandusky's victims and families have been forced to endure but rather that I thought there could have been better and more productive and "healthier" ways to "sanction" PSU that would have leaned more in the direction of healing than punishment.
But there's no denying a deal was made and now Pennsylvania has decided it's not fair and from where I sit, that's not right.
The BOT never officially accepted the penalties, which is against university policy. But again, none of that matters. PSU is not involved with this lawsuit, so it doesn't matter what they did. The Commonwealth is suing based on the NCAA using their monopolistic power to punishing PSU. The big question is, does the State have "standing". The majority of lawyers weighing in on this believe that PA does. If that is the case, look for the sanctions to be reduced so that the NCAA doesn't have to go through discovery. They do not want that. At all.
you people need to let it go. nothing will come of this. you need to move on. seriously. it's rather pathetic.
how about this.....the state (and not PSU because they are not involved, right...yah whatever, not officially) feels it's so unfair that future people who could take advantage of 40 schollies and get a great (?) education will now not be able to do so.
So.....how about PSU gets the 40 schollies back, BUT they can't play football. Just 40 schollies so kids (who had nothing to do with this) can get their education that the state is so concerned about.
Would that be OK? My guess is no, because it's not about that free education it's about your football team.....STILL.
Personally, I look at it this way, take football out of it. lets say sundusky was a chemistry proffessor or something and used the facilities at his school for those acts. The Dean or someone with power got wind and didn't turn him in, he was basically let go or something of that sort, to protect the academic institution. Do you see the Board of Education taking away academic scolarships or fining the school or whatever thereby taking someone else's education or funding for a department in the school ?
Yeah can call me an apologist or a PSU lover or whatever. I don't agree with the horrible acts that happened over there by why should a 18 year old kid not be able to get an athletic scholarship or be able to live his dream because of what some old guys did.
If anything they should set up a foundation for the kids in the school or a department or even their bowl game money should go to these foundations that handle child sex abuse, now that is making a difference not this corrupt NCAA punishing the whole school for what 3 0r 4 people knew about and did nothing to stop it.
The Victims don't even agree with the sanctions, the NCAA trying to look good in the eyes of the public.
Then the Commonwealth had a fiduciary responsibility to stand up right then and there and say, "Wait a minute...this is wrong."
Not half a year later.
Btw, the way I don't like Penn State or that we are chant, but the NCAA is full of hypocrites. If what happened there happened here @ OSU we wouldn't like it and will be complaining just like them.
So before you judge them, think about it if it was here ?
it was not here. sorry, not playing the what if game.
so when someone goes into a school and shoots kids do you say "wait, i will not judge that person because what if it were my kid who shot up that school?"
well iowa.....it's closer to election time my firend. he came out and accepted the penalties and was happy there was no death penalty and as long as PA tax dollars were not spent paying the fines he was OK with it all. Now, with election time closer he has an issue. Yet PSU fans can't see through this???
My theory is the "Commonwealth" knew PSU was going to get nailed and there wasn't enough time to try to stop it and risk getting it tied up in court before the season started so they figured they'd take a year's probation in order to pacify the bloodlust of the angry lynch mob that was demanding justice on behalf of the victims while buying the state time to get an injunction, then win in court and have the whole penalty thrown out in exchange for time already served.
USC was slapped with a 3-year bowl ban and loss of 15 scholarships over 3 years. They accepted the bowl ban but appealed the loss of scholarships. It took three years but they lost, which means that by the time the bowl ban ended after last year, they started the loss of scholarships this year. So on the one hand, by breaking it up, they extended it from 3 years to 6 years but on the other hand, they probably saved football at USC because doing both simultaneously could have destroyed their program.
And PSU's penalty is even tougher--4-year bowl ban and only 65 scholarships per year from 2013-17, which is only two more than FCS teams are allowed.
This post was edited by iowabuckeyes 15 months ago
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Let these guys keep believing no wrong was done by their program. They also believe in the Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot, and the Easter Bunny. Boom, you know as well as I do that a majority of PA citizens don't want to see this three ring circus the governor is attempting at the tax payer expense. The best that will happen is the court will say the NCAA needs to conduct another investigation, consistent with others. Then the NCAA can come in with the wire brush, sandpaper, and turpentine and nail them to the cross for good. That is why the deal was made in the first place. These guys are far too naive to see this. This program hid behind JoePa's fake holy shroud for years! The cat is now out of the bag. How many of Jerry's victims were paid off by boosters to keep quiet over they years? Let's find out shall we! Don't get me wrong, the NCAA needs fixed. I've never wanted to see a school get blasted before this one. Why this one? Because any one of those cowards could have stopped this garbage years ago. They chose to save the cash cow's rep over the victims. My god, last fall Howdy Doody was still sending letters to recruits boasting about their clean record knowing this crap had been going on! They got their just reward! There is no sympathy in my heart for that program. There NEVER will be. Lawsuit over an monopoly? Don't ya think someone would have done this in the last hundred years if it had any real merit? Desperate act by a desperate group. There is no concern over the victims, just their program and it's tainted, false, legacy as well as it dead coach!
Someone has done it and won. That is why school own their own TV rights. The court declared the NCAA a monopoly in that case. Again, it doesn't matter what PSU agreed to, this is the state of PA claiming that the state is suffering economic harm (thus giving it standing).
Look, we can run around in circles over and over again on this, but I guarantee you that if the courts declare that PA has standing, the sanctions will be reduced or eliminated. I'd put money on it.
When did that happen? Do you have a link to this? I can guarantee you if the state wins the suit, a royal free for all will take over college sports. There will be no control at all and everyone including the state of Texas ($MU) needs to play the same legal game. Will the court allow that to happen? Like keep saying over and over again, you guys just don't get it. This is about the victims, and Sandusky being allowed to use your program as bait because no one who mattered would do the right thing, including Tom Corbett back in the day. Reelection and the thought of something else possibly implicating him helping in a cover up when he was AG is the only reason he is doing this. Not because the state is "suffering." That's a fucking joke! This state ain't suffering shit! I know, I live here! The middle of the state is suffering (mentally) because the reality that their beloved "clean" program, and it's coward of a coach (and others) got exposed and the NCAA did the right thing by backhanding it! Perhaps, the Ice Cream and Hamburger shop, and a few bars in Crappy Valley aren't making their 7 figure profit, but that's it. All you guys want is your program, no matter what. That is what is sad! Even if you win the suit, your program is still tainted forever and rightfully so..that is except in you delusional clown's mind. For years, the only kids who will go there are those who grew up loving it, or has a family background.
Trust me, my friend, the worst thing you can get is the court saying the NCAA needs to come in and do it's own independent investigation. The president knew this. Why did Paterno stay on at least 10 years after everyone in the world knows he should have retired? Simple....to help keep this quiet. He was actually a senile embarrassment of a figure head while Bradley really ran the team. I guarantee you, there is an excellent chance Paterno too would now be indicted if he were still alive. Good luck in court though......NOT!
ghBuck23; That is the point man. If he were a professor, they would have fed him to the wolves in 98.
Nor have you given any specifics (to date) about any declared monopoly. You and the State of PA can play the legal technicality game all day long. The fact remains (always) that your former, iconic head coach, school president, VP, and AD all conspired to cover up this atrocity. Those cowards put those young boys in harm's way to keep your program out of public turmoil and scrutiny. You will NEVER be able to change these facts.
Below is your link. OU sued the NCAA and the courts determined that they were a monopoly.
The difference with this case vs all the others that the NCAA handed down penalties on is:
1) They did a formal investigation in each and had due process (a requirement if you are a monopoly)
2) The sanctions handed down were from violations of the NCAA rulebook. Emmert himself said that PSU did not violate any NCAA rules.
You guys really think this so simple and your program did nothing wrong, don't you? What a shameful, sad, fucking joke! Keep playing the technicality game all you wish. It worth a shot, it's all you got! If it's been said once, it will be said 1,000,000,000 times...the bottom line is the leaders of your school conspired to keep this issue quiet. They did nothing to stop this monster and allowed him free reign to assault these boys. A absolute best, the conspired to stick their heads in the sand and ignore the issue. I can just see the 4 of them and McQuery sitting there in Joe's kitchen saying "If we do the right thing here, we're in big trouble!" JoePa then pipes in and says "Don't worry about these kids. They're all dirtbags anyway. They've got a better life giving Jerry blow jobs than they did living on the street. We'll just pay them off to keep quiet. Let's just take Jerry's keys away from him." Somehow I know in my heart that you wackos probably think Joe did the right thing under that scenario. Your program WILL NEVER get sympathy from me. How many times has OU been in trouble with the NCAA? Several times in the last 40 years as I recall. PeeSU agreed to waive their right to an NCAA investigation. End of story in my book. Maybe that was all part of the big plan. "Lets just agree with everything they do and then, after football season, Tom Corbett will swoop in to our rescue with his book legal of bullshit that blinds the real issues." LOL! Keep posting though my friend, I'm not going to give you the last word. I'm an adult that has work to do today. I'll be back to answer your bag of clouded, legal bullshit later!
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