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I like that a lot. If the penalties end up being reduced, I'd like to see the NCAA come back in and say ok...we won't fine you a bunch of $$ or scholarships. But you just won't play football for about 5 years. At all.
How is PA suffering economic harm?? If the death penalty were handed down and there was no football on Saturdays I could see that with businesses and hotels suffering. But there will be football on Saturdays, it may be MAC level, but football nonetheless.
And that Oklahoma case you are talking about had to do with television rights I believe. You are talking A LOT of money and much more important stuff than some schollies taken away from your team.
So.....how is the state of PA harmed? I live in the state of PA and this will not affect me or my state one single bit. The only harm is the embarrassment that your head coach and higher ups caused and that people like you and other fans continue to bring to your university by bitching and complaining. THAT'S the harm. And that does not affect the state of PA, just the rep of your school.
just to clarify razor, i didn't meant that PSU would not play football. Even I who is very outspoken and anti-PSU in this, do not think they should get death penalty. i meant that the people who get the 40 schollies given back to PSU would not be able to play football, just get an education. They act so concerned that 40 kids who were not involved will not be allowed to get an education due to these sanctions. OK, give 40 people an education and just keep them off the team. You will hear very quickly that is not good enough because as we know, this is not about an education it's still about their little football team.
This post was edited by boomboom 15 months ago
by the way, just so we are all on the same page. when people like jive here throw out that PSU is not involved and it's strictly the state of PA and Tom Corbett, the governor......I just want to make sure everyone knows that Corbett was a board member during the firing of Paterno. So to say that PSU is not involved-while technically they are not listed on the lawsuit-is absurd.
PSU got something in return for this punishment.....first, no death penalty. Second, no long, drawn out microscope up the butt investigation into their dirty success with honor program.
If the state of PA wins in any way, even though I feel it's impossible, the NCAA can re-open the case and go through the investigation process AND bring the death penalty back into the picture. Maybe we can get some reporters camping out in State College and digging up some stuff.
Oh I understand ya Boom, no worries. I personally would've liked to see them completely shut down. IMO the penalties themselves were lenient. They should've received a ~10 year post-season ban -- 1 for every year the coaching staff knew that little kids were being raped and did nothing to stop it, and should've also been banned from the sport for 2-3 years as well just to ensure they wouldn't be able to focus time, energy, and money on football and focus instead on cleaning up their culture for a period of time.
Now what I'm saying is that if PA wins and the NCAA is forced to reduce their (already lenient penalties, IMO) punishment of PSU, I would like to see them turn around and add additional penalties like a 2-3 year football ban as well.
yah, well that's just it. if the state of PA wins in any way (they won't) the ncaa can go back in there and do whatever they want. PSU agreed to this for a reason....they have secrets and violations they know would have been uncovered.
I say....get rid of the $60mm fine and give the 40 scholarships to 40 underprivileged kids in PA who do not play football. I would LOVE for that to happen. So still limit the number of FB schollies, keep the bowl ban but give back the money and 40 schollies to deserving kids. I would love to hear PSU fans reaction to that. They will not be happy because their little football team will still be hurt by this. And that's more important than anything as we have already learned with this cover up of rape.
Your scholarship suggestion would work fine for me as well. And I'd love to see more tacked on and deservedly so, IMO.
Edit: Would love to also see a full-fledged, up your butt investigation just like we had to endure over kids selling their personal possessions for fucking tattoos. I would like to see what else JoePa was hiding under that bullshit guise of "success with honor". What a farce.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Razorback 15 months ago
Please cite the specific rule that PSU violated. That's the point. The NCAA handed out a punishment based on morality. There is nothing in the NCAA handbook about this. As I said, Emmert admitted this during his PC in July. And PSU is not a repeat offender... what exactly do you expect the NCAA to do when there is no violation of NCAA regulations and PSU is not a repeat offender? Issue the death penalty? The former president and current NCAA officials have already come out and said that PSU's football program should not have been sanctioned in any way.
Simply put, criminal matters are not in NCAA's jurisdiction... they are to be handled in the courts.
go do your own work. the letter to PSU lists many by laws and articles the NCAA used to dish out this punishment. you guys just choose to pretend they don't exist so you can continue your bitching. don't play dumb.
while the actual crimes will (and are) be handled in court, the covering up of those crimes to protect your football team so you can continue to recruit and achieve success with honor was handled by the NCAA, a group that PSU chooses to belong to.
as far as repeat offenders....that is one reason you guys agreed to the punishment, so the world would not see all the repeat offenses that have been covered up by your coach and administration for years. I mean, if these crimes were covered up by coaches, ADs, presidents, one could assume that minor little things like player benefits, crimes, grades would be covered up as well, no??
The NCAA cited one clause... the "morality" clause which has never been enforced before. That's the issue... because the NCAA is a monopoly, they need to show consistency with how they handle penalties and punishments. Basically, they are held to a higher standard by the courts. Any sanctions placed on PSU because of the "morality" clause would get struck down in a second. This is why the NCAA is desperately hoping that PA doesn't have "standing".
As for your repeat offenders bit, I can assume that every university covers up those things, but how far does assumptions go in court? The NCAA will need to uncover things in the course of investigating a pedophile... from 10 years ago. Big problem there... the NCAA statute of limitations only goes back 5 years. Good luck with that.
Just a thought ! MAYBE the NCAA didnt think it would have to create a rule about coaches feeling up kids ? is that not kind of a given rule ?
Probably not, but why would they? What does that have to do with the NCAA's purpose and authority? Just because something is wrong doesn't mean that the NCAA is the organization that should deal with it. In this case, even according to current and former NCAA employees, it isn't. We have courts to punish criminal activity. Why is an organization responsible for ensuring "equality" and fair play in college athletics sticking it's nose in the court's business?
okay, this is the way i look at it.
The reason JoePa and Co. swept this situation under the rug (i mean no disrespect by saying situation cause clearly this is worse then your average situation) was to SAVE the football program. SO, they NCAA did exactly what they could do. They punished the football program. and the COURTS punished Jerry.
that's my opinion. FAWK psu anyways.
Please get off your high horses,what happened at PSU could happen anywhere, if it happened here we would be delusional also..
You really think the NCAA cares about rhe kids, they just wanted to flex their muscles..
Like I said, get off your high horses & i do hope the win the lawsuit. Congress won't stand for this NCAA bullshit, sundusky is in Jail, Joe Pa is dead, his legacy ruined, the other guys are going to jail also so tell me if you think any other institution wont cover up pedophiles, heck the catholic church & other Christian organizations have been for years, the still have people in the same faith & church, cliaming it was the devil.. Please.. Morality is for hypocrites .
If something like this hapoened at OSU we will be in denail also..STop being hypocrites
Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...
Jocular issues should be different
This is a great post. 95% of the wee minded individuals on here cant comprehend anything other than child.rape. If you told.them the ncaa was setting off a nuclear bomb on state college the.morons here would think this was a just punishment because their sad little.bird sized minds cant comprehend just versus unjust
Save it from what? If PSU came forward and said "Hey, we caught Jerry being bad"... then what would happen? People would be shocked, but nothing would happen to the football program. Nothing would happen to Paterno. Certainly, nothing would come from the NCAA. I've see that argument before and it's just stupid.
You don't think it would have had a negative impact on recruiting? At that present time if they found Jerry was "being bad" as you said it that sure would have had a negative impact on the recruiting thus hurting the football team. Tell us this, if it wouldn't have hurt the football program, why wasn't it reported then?
Don't waste your time, they didn't cover it up for wins or for football.. They covered it up because it was shamefull and didn't want to be associated with it , PSU for that matter, the Catholic church and other institutions have done it for years.
No one wants to be be tainted by paedophilia , unfortunately it blew up in their faces, wondering why the catholic church and other institutions don't get investigated per say . Bishop Eddie long is still a pastor, because he paid them off..
but still the NCAA over stepped its bounds that is what these hypocrites don't understand. If it happened here we would be outraged also. Look these posters don't even care about the children they are just happy you guys are getting punished, for me the stigma on the program was enough & Joe Pa's legacy was enough. But to basically give unprecedented penalties, come on thats the NCAA trying to show its balls around any legal system would rule in your favour.
Quick question... if not for the sanctions, do you know where PSU's class would have been ranked this year? We would have added at least Dorian Johnson, Tyler Boyd (per his mother), Will Fuller, Gregg Webb and Dujan Drennon to the fold. It would have easily been a top 10 class. So no, outting a coach who was out of the program for a couple of years as a pedophile would not have had a profound impact on recruiting.
This post was edited by getmyjive11 15 months ago
You can't possibly know that for sure that you wouldn't have lost those people anyway without the sanctions. Again you didn't answer my question, if not to save face and not harm the football program what reason would Joe pa have for not reporting the crime about a coach that didn't work there anymore? I have yet to see a PSU fan answer that honestly.
Sorry Gh, not buying it. No one WANTS to be associated to pedophiia but keeping it quiet for all those years shows less care for the victims than the shame that comes with it. Yeah you can say people have a lynch mob mentality when it comes to PSU and tha tis true and maybe the penalites are unprecedented but so was the crime that was actively covered up by high up people at PSU. You are right about our fans acting the same way but I can honestly tell you one thing, if it happened at OSU and they activley covered up the crime the way PSU did I would never watch or cheer for OSU again That is why people come down hard on Penn St fans. They don't have to disown the team (that is just what I would do) but they also don't show much remorse for the victims and also will blindly defend Joe Paterno even after it is obvious he knew.
it did NOT happen here. funny, when tats happened here PSU fans were reveling in it. karma's a bitch dude
the catholic church?? really? come on dude. if the catholic church was a member of an organization (ie the NCAA) then that organization could do something about it. Unfortunately, the catholic church does not benefit from TV revenue, bowl revenue and does not belong to such an organization to have penalties levied out. All we can do is change religions or stop putting money in the basket and those families affected can sue. it's pretty silly to compare it to the catholic church.
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