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Sometimes you come across people who can't process the fact that others don't agree with them on a particular topic, and so they revert to name-calling and essentially throwing a tantrum over that fact. GH & sofla (creed) are part of that demographic unfortunately.
just keep covering your eyes and ignoring facts. i think there a few guys donning scarlet & gray who were committed to you fools before the lid blew off. therefore, yes....this shit DID affect recruiting. but just ignore the facts and keep bitching
i just don't get the "if it happened here we'd feel different" argument. Uh...DUH!! No shit!! But it didn't happen here. I wonder if these people have no ill will towards any wrong doers in the world and just wonder..."what if it were my kid or dad or whoever that shot up that elementary school and killed those kids". That's some backward ass thinking in my mind. Just because I would feel differently if someone I loved was a murderer does not mean that I cannot hate and get angry with a murderer. WTF??
Ding Ding Ding and we have a winner folks. I just really don't understand how they can not see that. They still don't grasp the severity of the situation. To this day it's about football and yes as you said they did lose recruits right after the story broke which was BEFORE any sanctions were levied. Furth proof that it was covered up to protect the football program.
If Joe Pa would have reported it when it happened then he wouldn't have been fired that much is true (I believe) but people still wouldn't want to play there because they would have that pedophilia stigma on the program. Think about it, if you're an 18-21 year old good enough to play D-1 football you want to go to a program right after that happens? Hell no, cuz then you come home and your friends or people in your community or around the country are making fun of you for it (it's not right but it would happen) so you avoid the situation all together and play somewhere else. Sure maybe kids growing up in PA who were die hard PSU fans their whole life would still go but outside of them they would avoid the situation.
It's a sick and disgusting situation and it would be hard to be avoided but here is the thing, when it happens do the right damn thing and turn the dirtbag over to the authorities and you may have some short term losses but you will save the face of your University and your character and legacy as well. Plus you did the right thing! College football fans around the country would be singing Joe Paterno's praises (including us) for doing it the right way, for caring more about people and the victims than winning football games. But that is not what happened, it is apparent that Joe Paterno valued his 409 wins more than young children being raped by a grown man. The irony in this , is that by not doing anything about it, Joe paterno's legacy will be forever tarnished by his inaction off the field than anything he ever accomplished on the field. It is sad but it is true.
So, how henious of a crime is covering up murder? Any idea on why the NCAA didn't act on that?
BTW, the difference between free tats and Sandusky is that free tats are against NCAA regulations (improper benefits) and pedophilia isn't (because it is a crime and is outside the NCAA's jurisdiction).
There is a huge difference between PSU turning Sandusky in and what eventually went down. For one, there would be no stigma for the school... it would merely be a pedophile that was caught and was turned in by university officials. That is SO different than what happened that you can't possibly compare the two. Secondly, the coaching staff would have remained intact. Your example is BS.
If that is BS then why did joe not turn him in? If there is no stigma then why hide it and not call the police like what should have been done? You still haven't answered that question and the reason is is becasue football. That is why he didn't and you can't answer it any other way.
He kicked the info up to his superiors. You can speculate that it was to protect the image of the University, not the football program. But it would all be speculation. It was ultimately Spanier/Schultz/Curley's decision.
However, that is irrelevant. It doesn't matter because "protecting" your football program in that manner is not an NCAA violation. If the offense they were protecting was a violation of NCAA regulations, then the act of the coverup would also be an NCAA violation. This wasn't.
There is a reason why I bring up the whole covering up murder thing. That is exactly what Baylor basketball did. The NCAA didn't hammer them for it (but rather for actual recruiting and player violations). And they were correct not to because that is a criminal issue.
I don't know why it is so hard for some of you to understand that anything related to criminal activity is not the NCAA's business. It's for the courts. It's as simple as that.
jive, take your bullshit back to your whiney little cult board. you are still in denial. come back when you realize just how fucked up your HC and administration really were. There's really no use in chatting with you people. You hate everyone who tries to get in the way of your little football team, and the NCAA has no jurisdiction (even though they do if you would read the letter and get your head out of the sand), and you were so wronged and you never wanted Meyer because he's the devil blah blah blah........ so just go away and sulk by yourself or with your cult members. You and most PSU fans are pathetic. I really don't want to read it here. If I need a good laugh I will go read some of your threads over on your board, but not here. We are getting ready to make a run at a national title and you really are a nuisance.
DUDE....your school violated every fucking moral/ethical clause laid out in the NCAA by laws. WTF do you mean there no NCAA violations??? Just because the bylaws do not spell out "thou shalt not cover up rape of boys" does not mean your pathetic leaders did not violate the BIGGEST of ALL the bylaws!!
DENIAL Since you are so lazy, here is a link to the letter.
Because the NCAA is a monopoly, they need to be consistent with applying their rules and handing out sanctions. Please cite another instance where the NCAA used the morality clause to hand out punishments.
If you cannot do that, then your really don't have a case for arguing the legality of such a move.
LOL...this is the first massive cover up of the raping of children at a member NCAA school as far as I know. it's the ugliest thing that has happened and went all the way up to the AD and president of the university. luckily, there is no precedence to go on you buffoon.
So where's the line? Are you saying that covering up murder isn't heinous enough?
Get the hell off our site, I made one fucking comment on Ped State site and I was tossed off.
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What was your comment? I haven't said anything about OSU.
Yeah, this guy needs to go and take his buddies with him. He and the rest of the cult can put on those blue & white glasses and tell the world they didn't do anything wrong. Every other decent human being knows better. Jive is the prime example of what that delusional cult really is. They only care about there football program and Paterno's lost wins. There is no remorse, no concern, and no decency shown to those victims. If there were, they wouldn't be attempting to get off on technicalities. They could care less. Speaking of technicalities, what if Jeffrey Dahmer got off because the arresting officer didn't read him his rights properly? He still murdered and ate people. Same difference for PeeSU. The Cowardly leaders still conspired to keep this issue quiet, thus allowing Sandusky free reign to commit the biggest atrocity in CFB history. Hey,
but they took Jerry's keys after Howdy Doody caught him in the shower. Yes Boom, these delusional twats just cant see that they got the deserved hammer to the face for violating the morality and decency clause. That was even pointed out by Emmert in his press conf. Add that to competitive advantage due to not reporting and avoiding negative publicity.
"Due Process?" "Monopoly?" "The State of PA suffering great financial loss?" ALL COMPLETE BULLSHIT! Nothing more than a bunch of candy ass whaaa, whaaa my pussy hurts shit! If the suit would happen run it's full course, the sanctions will be expired by the time it's all over. Vinny & Cook were even talking about that on their radio show in Pittsburgh the other day. So then if they WOULD win, all they were doing is fighting over Methuselah's all time wins.
Nutbuster, Kirk, Cavsfan: time to flush this nutty turd! Don't worry though, PeeSU did nothing wrong! I honestly think it's been in the works from day one that the state try to come to their rescue!
This post was edited by BIGBUCK20 15 months ago
"Whaaa, but, but, but, they didn't punish Baylor!"
that whining is quite interesting, because the NCAA did indeed punish Baylor. They just don't remember because all they care about is PSU football. That's the definition of a cult, blind to the outside world.
Baylor self-imposed punishments and the NCAA added to them to include extended probation for the school through 2010-I think an add'l 5 years, the elimination of one year of non-conference play, and a 10-year show-cause penalty on resigned head coach Dave Bliss. They also considered banning them from play for a year, but did not.
And I think this was just the coach, not the AD, president and whoever was involved in beautiful state college.
So don't get fooled into any PSU fan telling you the NCAA "did nothing" to Baylor basketball over a murder..........NOT TRUE!!
It is true. The sanctions that they placed on Baylor were because of other violations, not the coverup of murder. Here is an excerpt from the link below:
"The N.C.A.A. didn’t punish Baylor because of the criminal violations,” said Michael Buckner, a lawyer who has extensive experience with N.C.A.A. infractions cases. “The N.C.A.A. punished Baylor because of the underlying N.C.A.A. rules violations that were also involved in those activities.” The Sandusky case does not appear to involve any specific N.C.A.A. rule violations. Criminal violations are not necessarily N.C.A.A. violations."
The N.C.A.A. could impose serious sanctions, perhaps even forcing the football program to shut down for a time. But the organization is reluctant to issue its so-called death penalty.
I was waiting for this. You are correct. But the difference is Baylor allowed the NCAA to come on campus to investigate all the shenanigans going on that were uncovered by the the microscope put on Baylor because of the murder.
PSU did not want the NCAA to come onto campus and find all the wrong doings so they agreed that the Freeh report was true and the NCAA based penalties on that. I guess your higher ups did not want the NCAA snooping on campus because they were afraid of what would be found. Now you want to get rid of the punishments..........too bad. You can't have it both ways.
I mean, when you look at what you guys are doing it's ALMOST comical if it weren't so sad and pathetic. You didn't let someone come into your house to look around and just took a plea bargain based upon what a report said. Now you want to complain and bitch about the punishment handed down based on that report and also kick and scream that no one found anything wrong in your house.....you know, the house you didn't want them coming into!!!
Do you see the absurdity? The stupidity? The irony?
This post was edited by boomboom 15 months ago
No, not true at all. PSU was in a terrible public perception position and Emmert used that to enforce his own sanctions on the university. He threatened the death penalty if PSU didn't sign the decree knowing that there was no way Penn State was going to fight this. It was a power play move by the NCAA and one that is now being used against them in the PA v NCAA case (PA saying that PSU agreed to the terms under duress).
EDIT: BTW, if you knew what you were saying wasn't true, why bring it into the conversation?
This post was edited by getmyjive11 15 months ago
I see, so Emmert put a gun to your schools head and forced them to sign this? Interesting. Again, you plea bargained and now want to go back and say the confession was coerced. You guys are pathetic.
What I said is true. The NCAA sanctioned you guys based upon things found in the Free report since you agreed to that, not for the rapes of kids. Just like the NCAA sanctioned Baylor for things they found during their investigation and not for murder.
What is so hard to understand?
do you personally care about the kids whose lives have been changed by your PSU football coach(es) ?
Edit: You are coming off as a coward.
This post was edited by GOBUCKS16X1 15 months ago
The Freeh report found no NCAA infractions. And yes, Emmert put the proverbial gun to Erickson's head and said "accept this or there will be a 4 year death sentence" knowing that PSU was not in a position to challenge anything.
Of course, all of this is explained in the Commonwealth's lawsuit against the NCAA. Why don't you read it and then come back and discuss. It's not worth me rehashing everything that is argued in this document.
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