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jive are you dumb or just playing dumb? found no infractions? what does that mean?
just because they did not find someone handed a bag of cash to a player does not mean that the NCAA did not find that PSU broke NCAA bylaws........THAT was the infraction. Don't you get it? They broke the moral/ethical bylaws which are broad and vague on purpose. Those do not try and lay out the infinite number of wrong doings, but instead cites a broad moral obligation.
If you don't think your HC, AD and President broke the bylaws relating to ethics and morality I don't know what to tell you.
I have read most of the lawsuit, it's BS in my opinion and I have no interest in discussing it with you.
This post was edited by boomboom 15 months ago
And what I am telling you is that a school has never been sanctioned for the "morality" clause despite several opportunities to do so. That is a problem for the NCAA because they are a monopoly. They need to show consistency and there is nothing consistent with how they handled PSU.
I have covered this already. You are running in circles.
well PSU is the first, always has to be a first. pretty weak argument dude, it's never been done before so it's not fair and must be fixed. SMU got a penalty that was a first. Shit happens and we move on. Problem is, you guys just won't move on.
Boom, this dude just needs nuked! Just wait until they lose this pointless suit...LMFAO!
The issue is that there have been plenty of other opportunities to do it, but they didn't. The Monopoly thing is a huge issue there for the NCAA. Huge.
That is the whole issue GB, they DON'T care. All this asshole, and all of their cronies care about his their forever tainted program. All I have to say to ol' Jive Ass Motherfucker is have fun in Purgatory! By they time the suit runs it's course, win or lose, the sanctions will have run their own course. Punishment effectively, and rightfully served.
Hey Jive Ass: What do you call a bunch of lawyers dumped into the ocean? The answer is a fantastic start! You talk to 100 different lawyers, you'll get 100 different answers on this issue depending on which side they are on. Just keep on finding the opinions you want to believe. That's okay though, you just keep hoping and wishing for the best for your tainted football team. Everyone else will remember the victims and be glad the NCAA torched your program for it.
No it's not. It's you guys desperate hope though. You guys are some SAD motherfuckers, man! SAD! Keep on hoping geek boy! The victims are still there, and they'll keep suing you guys until there isn't anyone left to sue! Hey, isn't mom calling you in by now? It's almost time for the cow tipping contest. I know, there won't be nearly as many in attendance this year because of these awful sanctions. Those poor vendors! Victims? What are they?
This post was edited by BIGBUCK20 15 months ago
Funny, the only victim to go on record about the sanctions does not support them. But whatever, tell me some more about how I don't care about the victims without asking what I have done for abused children (hint: it's more than you).
Below is a link to victim #4's thoughts on the sanctions.
From the blog Dr. Saturday: The NCAA sanctions against Penn State have been met with a mixture of emotions, including by those who were directly involved in the situation that led to them. Benjamin Andreozzi, a Harrisburg-based attorney who represents Victim 4 in the Jerry … Continue reading →
So just because the NCAA had never punished anyone before on morality and decency means they could never punish anyone, right? That's funny! It's delusional, but really, really funny! Think about this, nothing this shocking had EVER happened before. Yes, years of raping little boys is far more shocking & appalling than some gang banger basketball player getting capped over god knows what. Perhaps he pocketed someone's lighter at a party? If ever the morality and decency issue was violated, it was in this heinous atrocity!
Everyone watch out, the mighty Tom Corbett (lol,what a joke!) is gonna rewrite history, sue and bring the governing body of college sports to its knees! All because of their love of their forever tainted, goofy-ass, douchebag football program! Far more important that the victims and the conspiracy that allowed it to go on for years! It adversely impacts the state of PA financially! Yeah, right! ROFLMFAO!
Good for him, it's his choice. What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? I think you and those who think like you should be staked out over a stump and have molten lead poured in the crack of your ass. That is just my opinion. Is this all you do with yourself? Do nothing all day but look for articles that support you beliefs in ignoring this atrocity? Again, you aren't thinking of the victims, you just found one that misses Jerry and his free game tickets.
Hey Jive-ass: Don't EVER preach to me about what you have done. I promise and guarantee your sniveling ass I done, seen, and accomplished far more rewarding things in my lifetime than you will ever dream about. And it has NOTHING to do with $. No hint...fact! I honestly believe you probably worked at 2nd Mile. Hey, were you one of Jerry's boys? How much were you paid off by the boosters and Paterno family over the years? Are you victim number 4?
Good night all! I have work to do tomorrow...assisting veterans. You too Jive ass. I know you'll be on here until about 4am posting more of your googled "we feel sorry for PeeSU" gibberish. Then you'll finally crash on that hide-a-bed in mom's basement.
That's fine, your posts speak for themselves. I really don't need to add anything to that.
So do yours asshole! You only care about your foorball program. That is as clear as the day is long. Get a fucking life! You are a whining little twat....get the hell off this site! Go back to you own, deranged, misguided board with the other ped protectors. You'll be with those like you.....dirtbags!
Okay Bucknutters, I'm going to try to make this my last comment on this awful subject. Notice I said try because it will be MIGHTY tough, but I'm getting tired of this issue and these delusional PeeSU fans view on this tragedy! Jive's attitude toward this tragedy is "THEE" prime example of why the NCAA blasted their ass in the first place. The culture of the football program became bigger and more important than anything else in life! That attitude is exhibited in every word of the governor's law suit as well as in the way the cult over there (as a whole) is handling this issue. Their program violated the morality and decency clause with the NCAA. A pedophile was allowed to run free for years because several large figures in that program were too cowardly to do the right thing...for whatever their reason was! That in its own right should be the end of the story! Their program also gained competitive advantage due to this cover up, whether it was intentional or not. It is obvious their nose is far too high in the air, and they are too blind to see this. It is all about the football program & Paterno's win record, and not the victims. I hope the NCAA fights this suit like a wild animal and this drags out in court for years. Instead of letting the program heal and move forward, these delusional buffoons will keep this cancer spreading every day. The Freeh Report was flawed? PeeSU paid him to do this investigation, in what way was it really flawed? He didn't give the answers he alums, boosters and fans wanted to hear like Tom Corbett did back in the day? PeeSU didn't initiate the suit? That is laughable as well. They could have asked the governor at any time to let it go. It hurts the state financially? Yeah, right! The entire suit is based on technicality, much like a defense attorney would do to defend an obviously guilty client. As far as the players who didn't have anything to do with this goes, the same question can be asked for any program under NCAA sanctions. They were given the opportunity to transfer. As far as PeeSU being clean as new fallen snow before this issue arose, it just means they never got caught. Trust me, if the NCAA comes in there with the fine tooth comb at the ready, they'll find plenty. Just as they would anywhere else. PeeSU never got caught because Paterno handled any and all potential issues and his mobster background told him don't use the phone, or email. Why else did the student infractions officer leave under protest? PeeSU was also smart enough to handle all business quiet and in house, and not self report to the NCAA. You know, kind of like the $EC does. OSU has always self reported every time a player farts. Thus, the false perception of consistent wrong doing.
To our esteemed visitor "Jive," I say if it is SO important for you to think you've won the argument and to have the last word, go ahead. It's obvious you have that affliction. I guess you could be an attorney, or think you are anyway. Either way, see my comment about attorneys above!
Enjoy your sanctions PeeSU football! They are sooooo rightfully deserved!
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BIGBUCK20 15 months ago
Caring how? I see this a lot. What exactly do you want people to do? Be repulsed morally? Quit their job and work charity? Contribute to foundations? What if a person is living paycheck to paycheck? What if someone gives time to other organizations, does it make them uncaring? Do we even know who the victims are? I'm not jumping on your case but I'm not sure what the public actually wants people to do and I see this quite a bit, I'm just curious.
I work 6-7 days a week, I can barely even function in what little discretionary time I have, I'm not going to go carry a placard somewhere for abused people, that doesn't make me uncaring...far from it. But I'm not sure what I'd do if anything if it happened to OSU or someplace in my local area.
Newtown happened in my in-laws back yard...literally, their back yard is Sandy Hook Elementary School, their neighbors heard the shots. I'm not going to go crusading about gun control but that doesn't make me uncaring.
It never made sense, especially when you consider all of the things that PSU alumni/students/staff have done for child abuse victims since Nov 2011. People think that supporting the PSU football program means that you don't care... despite the fact that zero people currently in that program had anything to do with this. It's a lot easier to get mad on the internet and call people names than it is to have an honest discussion on everything that has gone on. Really, it doesn't even bother me anymore... people will be ignorant... not much you can do about it.
+1, apparently if you are not acting like Bigbuck20 , you do like pedophiles. Some 3 or 4 people do something bad then the whole country has to suffer.
Personally I don't know how these sanctions help the kids, let them go to their bowl games & have their scholarships back .. But let the bowl money & football revenue set up institutions & go towards child abuse centers..
NCAA is the moral police? Really ?
these hypocrites bashing their fans, like this thing couldn't have happened here, like they will stop supporting the buckeyes & not act delusional.
Yes the acts were horrendous, but not everyone who isn't screaming for the school to be burned is apparently an enabler..
Same guys will be talking about how the B10 sucks & stuff
Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...
It didn't happen here so that is a 100% moot point. If it did, however, my stance would be the exact same on this issue. I'm no hypocrite. Obviously all you care about is football as well. I personally don't care about the B1G's competitive image, just OSU's. If they can't keep up, get the hell out! PeeSU can move to the Big Least as far as I'm concerned. It's your right to hate the NCAA and bleed out for PeeSU all you want....your opinion, not mine. How does PeeSU getting hammered make the entire country suffer? It doesn't. You & their fan base maybe, but that's it. NCAA as moral police? Why have a policy if you won't enforce it? They did the right thing, PeeSU did not IMO. That's all there is cause there ain't no more!
This may be the most insightful thing you've ever posted.
Personally, I think it's time to this thread. It's turned into nothing more than a pissing contest.
I guess you think that a PA businesses are not affected by the decline of attendance? That PA is not affected by the funds from the fines being used in other states?
As for the moral police thing... again, where do you draw the line? Is it with covering up a murder? Is it with allowing a pedophile access to high school recruits on the sidelines? Or do you think they should just punish every single act that is immoral?
Again, there is a reason why criminal activity is left to the courts. I laugh at anyone who thinks the NCAA should have ultimate authority over such issues. Talk about opening a box of worms.
I don't care about the malt shoppe or any other business in State College. That is the same arguement as what about the poor players who didn't have anything to do with this, or all those responsible are no longer here. TUFF SHIT-SKI! That is always the case wth any program slapped by the NCAA. The $ should be distributed within PA, no issue with that, because that is where it happened. Pedophile on the sidelines? No, that issue happened in a public place, and at a public invited forum. There is no way humanly possible to control that atmosphere. You know that. You are just throwing that out there to see if it sticks. Anzalone's daddy made a big deal about that garbage to get junior to decommit. Meyer called daddy out on that as well! The NCAA used the morallity issue at it's disposal w/ PeeSU. It doesn't matter if they used it before or not. I say so what? You've been told already that Baylor WAS punished in the shooting incident. They used other items the found during the investigation. Their choice! In your case, Mr. Freeh didn't find recruitng violations, or inproper benefits, grade issues because he wasn't looking for them. I'm certain the NCAA could have, just like Baylor or anywhere else if they really want to look for it. As far as the school being under duress to accept the punishment, that's a cowardly copout; plain and simple. PeeSU knew they did not want to have the NCAA give them an emema so they took the punishment. Plain and simple! Again, it's nothing more than a legal technacality they are falling back on. Just like everything else the State of Pa is attempting to prove in this ridiculous circus. I laugh at the fake reputation preception you guys have cast to the world over the years. A good reputation is a lot like a person's asshole....sooner or later it's gonna sink bad! In your program's case, it has for some time.
Okay, I'm really done with this eggheaded nerd and this thread this time. I agree with Iowa that this thread needs locked asap! Everyone of you posting on here, friend or foe, is certainly entitled to your own opinion on this issue. You all know where I stand and always will. Hey, I saw a comment about wee minds above. It's great to my ol' buddy Sofla/ aka- creedbuck back posting again! I see the name change has worrked well on your typing/ literacy issues. Great job! Your old comments were always a riot! Please know for your own self that my mind is quite large and open. However, it never will be when it comes to an atrocity as bad as this one. There IS no other way to look at it IMO. As far as I'm concerned, this issue is nearly on par with type of deeds Adolf Hitler presided over by placing a football program's reputation (intential or not) above the safety and well being of yourg boys. That would be my stance no matter where this issue happened.
MODS: Please lock this thread asap! Please return Mr. Jive back to his own little world as well.
Well, the NCAA didn't even fight this one. Why? Way too much to lose.
I agree with this 100%. There is no reason for any of the money to leave PA. There is also no reason for the NCAA not to agree with this request. I also do agree that the NCAA needs to be consistent with violations & punishment. The PeeSU issue is the most heinous event to ever happen to a college program. This is new ground and for the first time, I commend the NCAA for taking swift and correct action in making an example out of your program. However, the final bottom line is that the NCAA will eventually have to change. Simply based on the number of ridiculous lawsuits they are currently under. These current include a number of former college athletes seeking damages because the NCAA used their photos and likeness. The NCAA requested the suit be dropped and the judge refused. It is always stunning to me how the post WW II generations have become such "what's in it for me pussies." "You hurt my feelings, I'm gonna sue," "Where's that Ambulance Chaser Edgar Snyder at?" Seemingly everything violates some dickhead, or organization's civil rights & anti-trust laws. There in absolutely no authority or discipline allowed anymore. Military basic training even lets recruits pull out a "Stress Card" now if their wee-wee hurts them. In college sports the next 5 years will see H.S. kids will go to the highest bidder, exactly like how free agency has ruined professional sports. Mark my words, it will happen. If all these suits go through, the NCAA will not exist, and many programs will no longer be competitive because they can't pay it out. Perhaps yours. Every program that has ever been sanctioned should then sue the NCAA for lost revenue and violation of anti trust. I know, you desperate fools still just want your football program though. Still I honestly believe the best you guys can hope for is that the judge says the agreement was not legal, so the NCAA then just comes in and finds the same things all over again. The State is just dragging out the misery for you the fan. You guys just refuse to see that. You honestly believe the NCAA will give up. There is no way they can after all this crap. You will now need a lesson in respect. The state is just lighting a fire under the monster. They think they let you off easy. Be careful of what you ask! I'm going to watch that with great enjoyment. I also have major heartburn that MY PA TAX DOLLARS will contribute to old Tom's circus of a crusade. I'm done. I'm tired of this debate. You won't change, neither will I. You just desperately want your program. I hope your program dies and rots and could give a rat's ass if it is good or bad for the B1G or not. Finally, it's unfathomable to believe that so many feel kids legally trading their personally owned property for goods or services, and a coach getting 2nd hand info and handling it his own way, is worse than covering up for child rape, a father soliciting his son for 80k, and a booster spending millions on players, drug parties, gifts, and whores. What a fucked up world YOUR generation has created. Enjoy dragging your misery out!
I know its insightful ... Thats why i posted it
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