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Ohio State Offers To Vacate 2010 Football Wins

  • ItalianBuck

    COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ohio State University officials announced a self-imposed penalty to the NCAA of vacating wins from the 2010 football season as a penalty after a scandal that started with players selling memorabilia and trading them for tattoos.

    The penalty includes vacating Ohio State's January Sugar Bowl win over Arkansas, according to the proposal.

    The university submitted its response to the NCAA on Friday to several questions that were listed in the NCAA's notice of allegations the university received in April.

    SPECIAL SECTION: NCAA Investigation

    The scandal led to coach Jim Tressel's resignation and quarterback Terrelle Pryor's departure.

    According to Ohio State's proposal, the university will impose two-year probation for the university and improve the university's compliance department.

    The proposal said that Tressel has accepted responsibility for not alerting the NCAA sooner. Tressel's status would change from resigning as Ohio State's coach to retiring.

    The university said that it will make its response public after blacking out the names of current student-athletes.

    Ohio State is scheduled to go before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions on Aug. 12. The NCAA is expected to take several weeks to consider Ohio State's response before determining additional penalties against the university.

    In an interview with the Associated Press on Thursday, athletic director Gene Smith said that he and many Ohio State athletes feel betrayed by those who broke NCAA rules.

    "It's been hard. This has hurt our fans. We've been damaged," Smith said. "We've really been hurt by the fact that everybody in the athletic department has been indicted because of the actions of a few."

    Four players will miss the first five games of the season because of the scandal.

    Stay with 10TV News and 10TV.com for continuing coverage.

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  • Wow, what a harsh self-imposed penalty to themselves. Will really hurt recruiting. (Laughable)

    Your "scUM" self-imposed harsher penalties than this for a lot less.

  • ingmire said... (original post)

    Wow, what a harsh self-imposed penalty to themselves. Will really hurt recruiting. (Laughable)

    Your "scUM" self-imposed harsher penalties than this for a lot less.

    yah, we should have self imposed the death penalty. maybe you could beat us then???

    also remember we got rid of our coach too.

  • ItalianBuck

    ingmire said... (original post)

    Wow, what a harsh self-imposed penalty to themselves. Will really hurt recruiting. (Laughable)

    Your "scUM" self-imposed harsher penalties than this for a lot less.

    It doesn't hurt to self impose harsh penalties to your team when your team already suck.

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  • IF the NCAA accepts this, people should be overjoyed!

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  • HAYNBUCKEYE said... (original post)

    IF the NCAA accepts this, people should be overjoyed!

    I got this from a twitter follower....this is the equivalent of OSU sending itself to bed early with no dinner, and promises not to play any video games for a week.

    So, with the vacated Sugar Bowl, we still have yet to beat an SEC team in a bowl game.

  • They still beat an SEC team in a bowl game. If people want to pretend they didn't thats up to them, but we know what happened.

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  • ItalianBuck

    An "embarrassed" Ohio State University is wiping its stellar 2010 football season from the record books as self-imposed punishment for major NCAA violations.

    But it is not suggesting that the team lose scholarships or be banned from postseason play.

    In a response submitted today to the NCAA, Ohio State admits allegations that then-coach Jim Tressel lied and allowed ineligible players to compete by failing to report that they had sold OSU-issued memorabilia to a tattoo-parlor owner.

    Ohio State concedes major violations of NCAA regulations but says it should not face harsher punishment, because no OSU official other than Tressel was aware of player violations, according to the response that was obtained by The Dispatch.

    "The responsibility is upon Tressel. No other institutional personnel were aware" of the violations, and the former coach failed in his obligation to report them, the response says. "The institution is embarrassed by the actions of Tressel."

    The university concedes it is a "repeat violator" of NCAA regulations but contends that its "corrective and punitive actions are appropriate" and asks that the football program be spared additional punishment.

    OSU also reported that it sought the resignation of Tressel, who departed on May 30. Until athletic director Gene Smith acknowledged that fact yesterday, Ohio State officials had repeatedly said that Tressel was not forced out.

    In addition to vacating the wins from its 12-1 season along with its Big Ten and Sugar Bowl championships, the university has placed its football program on probation for two years effective today, Ohio State reported to the NCAA.

    Today's report also reveals that the university has identified one additional football player who received discounts on tattoos and has declared him ineligible. The university has requested that the NCAA reinstate the unnamed player.

    The Dispatch reported today that Ohio State is increasing compliance efforts and staffing. The report to the NCAA includes new restrictions on how and when players receive awards, in an attempt to ensure they do not sell them.

    Players must prove they still have their championship rings and watches and will not receive other items, such as gold-pants charms for Michigan wins and game-worn helmets, until they leave the program.

    The university also says that at least one compliance officer will travel with the football and basketball teams to away games to monitor players.

    In Tressel's response, OSU officials wrote: "Coach Tressel has explained his thinking at the time, but offers no excuses for his faulty judgment ... (he) has paid a terrible price for his mistake, losing his job at one of the premier programs in the country."

    In a Feb. 18 interview with OSU officials, Tressel said that he understood that, by allowing ineligible players to compete, Ohio State was "going to get as our works deserve" and that "we were going to pay the fiddler."

    The university argues that Tressel's "integrity and proven history of promoting rules compliance," combined with his team's improving academic performance and other factors, should mitigate the severity of any NCAA sanctions. It also notes that he and his wife have donated $3 million since 2001, primarily to Ohio State.

    The fallout from the scandal has included the resignation of Tressel, the partial-season suspension of six players, and quarterback Terrelle Pryor's decision to skip his senior season and turn pro.

    Ohio State reported to the NCAA that is continuing to investigate other allegations of player misconduct that have swirled around the football team and will self-report any discovered violations. Pryor, who has denied wrongdoing, was being investigated for his use of several cars during his three years on campus.

    The NCAA could take away scholarships and impose a post-season ban on the football program as additional punishment for its violations following a hearing before the infractions committee on Aug. 12 in Indianapolis.

    Ohio State also could face additional punishment if the NCAA considers it a repeat offender stemming from violations in a 2006 case by then-basketball coach Jim O'Brien for which the NCAA put the university on probation for five years.

    The downfall of Tressel and Ohio State began on April 2, 2010, when former OSU walk-on linebacker Christopher Cicero, who is now a Columbus lawyer, sent the coach an email informing him that at least two players had sold memorabilia to tattoo-parlor owner Edward Rife.

    Rife had considered hiring Cicero as his lawyer, but ultimately did not retain him. Cicero now faces professional punishment for improperly revealing Rife's confidences to Tressel.

    "Tressel reported that when he read information in the email about drug trafficking, homicide and possession of criminal tools, he said 'it was a bad situation that scared him,'" the response says.

    Rife, who has pleaded guilty to marijuana trafficking in federal court, paid the players with $9,480 in cash and $555 in free and discounted tattoos for items that included gold-pants charms for Michigan wins and game-worn gear.

    In addition to five-game suspensions for the coming season for all but one of the implicated players, they are paying the university the money they received from the memorabilia sales, in monthly installments through November.

    The report states that players began associating with Rife and his Fine Line Ink tattoo parlor after a "chance meeting" between him and a couple of players at a Columbus-area nightclub in early 2008.

    The first memorabilia dealings with Rife occurred in 2009, but Ohio State should not vacate wins from that season because no one, including Tressel, was aware of those transactions, the university says.

    The section of Ohio State's response detailing player accounts of their dealings with Rife was heavily redacted. Most said they sold the items due to personal and family financial hardships.

    Tressel did not inform the compliance office or OSU officials that his players had committed apparent violations of NCAA regulations, and he signed an NCAA form certifying that he had no knowledge of violations.

    He did not directly confront the players about selling memorabilia, but "told them to make proper choices and be careful with whom they associate," according to the response.

    The former coach said he did not disclose the violations because he considered potential criminal activity and interference in an active federal investigation a higher priority.

    The Dispatch reported previously that, although he did not notify OSU officials of the player misconduct, he shared the information Cicero provided with Jeannette, Pa., businessman Ted Sarniak, a mentor to Pryor. Ohio State's response to the NCAA concerning contact with Sarniak is heavily redacted and sheds no light on what Tressel and Sarniak discussed.

    OSU officials learned of the violations in December when federal officials told them that investigators had found player memorabilia when they searched Rife's home during a drug investigation. Federal officials have said there is no evidence Ohio State players were involved in drug transactions.

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  • SeeinScarlet said... (original post)

    They still beat an SEC team in a bowl game. If people want to pretend they didn't thats up to them, but we know what happened.

    That's true, we all know what happened; what happened is Tressel either felt like he had to or was pressured to use at least 5 ineligible players to squeak out a 5-point win against a 2-loss SEC team that didn't even win its own division.

    Buckeye fans shouldn't worry about it too much; a better opportunity for a legitimate win shouldn't take long, and everyone knows the streak can't go on indefinitely.

  • Bushy

    G8R8U2 said... (original post)

    That's true, we all know what happened; what happened is Tressel either felt like he had to or was pressured to use at least 5 ineligible players to squeak out a 5-point win against a 2-loss SEC team that didn't even win its own division.

    Buckeye fans shouldn't worry about it too much; a better opportunity for a legitimate win shouldn't take long, and everyone knows the streak can't go on indefinitely.

    Aside from your successful attempt at being a douchebag, what's your point?

  • G8R8U2 said... (original post)

    That's true, we all know what happened; what happened is Tressel either felt like he had to or was pressured to use at least 5 ineligible players to squeak out a 5-point win against a 2-loss SEC team that didn't even win its own division.

    Buckeye fans shouldn't worry about it too much; a better opportunity for a legitimate win shouldn't take long, and everyone knows the streak can't go on indefinitely.

    Yeah, because they really do things by the book in the SEC.

  • I dont see why we would vacate the Sugar bowl. That was already blessed by the NCAA.

  • slickwillie said... (original post)

    I dont see why we would vacate the Sugar bowl. That was already blessed by the NCAA.

    it was blessed by the ncaa without knowing that tressel was covering up lying. if they knew that back then I doubt the ncaa would have allowed them to play.

  • OSU squeaked out a 5 point victory? I'd say that's pretty good considering Arkansas had about 20 additional schorlarship players on thier team than OSU. Five ineligible vs about 20 extra? Who was cheating?

    Correction - Arkansas signed 30 additional players than OSU the last four years.

    This post was edited by Emma1680 3 years ago

  • ItalianBuck said... (original post)

    it was blessed by the ncaa without knowing that tressel was covering up lying. if they knew that back then I doubt the ncaa would have allowed them to play.

    Yeah, even Delaney has said if he knew the entire story at the time he would have pushed for the players being ineligible for the game.

  • ItalianBuck said... (original post)

    Aside from your successful attempt at being a douchebag, what's your point?

    That it really is sad to see fans still try to claim victories for games in which they had an obvious competitive advantage. Using 5 or 6 players, including many starters and position stat leaders, when those players should be ineligible, is the very definition of "gaining a competitive advantage".

    Kind of reminds me of when USC fans all over the net kept claiming vacated victories because Bush played when he should have been ruled ineligible ("We won on the field!" was their standard chant); and fans from every corner of country (including Buckeye fans) took them to task for it.

    It's even worse in this case, because Tressel knew before he even set foot on the field that he was using players who should be ineligible... in fact, he knew all season long that he was using players whose eligibility was at the very least, in question.

  • G8R8U2 said... (original post)

    That it really is sad to see fans still try to claim victories for games in which they had an obvious competitive advantage. Using 5 or 6 players, including many starters and position stat leaders, when those players should be ineligible, is the very definition of "gaining a competitive advantage".

    Kind of reminds me of when USC fans all over the net kept claiming vacated victories because Bush played when he should have been ruled ineligible ("We won on the field!" was their standard chant); and fans from every corner of country (including Buckeye fans) took them to task for it.

    It's even worse in this case, because Tressel knew before he even set foot on the field that he was using players who should be ineligible... in fact, he knew all season long that he was using players whose eligibility was at the very least, in question.

    Competitve advantage? Yeah, the tatoos must have been inked with steriods.

  • ItalianBuck

    Emma1680 said... (original post)

    Competitve advantage? Yeah, the tatoos must have been inked with steriods.

    I heard Superman was a pussy until he got a tattoo Lois on his ass, I AM TATTO MAN, HERE I COME TO SAVE THE GAMEEEEE!!!!!

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  • ItalianBuck said... (original post)

    it was blessed by the ncaa without knowing that tressel was covering up lying. if they knew that back then I doubt the ncaa would have allowed them to play.

    Yes, but isnt the logic behind vacating a win based on using players that would otherwise be ineligible? In this case, these players did nothing more wrong than was know before the Sugar bowl.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/736458-what-will-the-ncaa-do-to-ohio-state

    Old article but he was pretty close on what he predicted.

  • ItalianBuck said... (original post)

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/736458-what-will-the-ncaa-do-to-ohio-state

    Old article but he was pretty close on what he predicted.

    let's hope that prediction does indeed hold up. I rather lose scholarships 10 scholarships over two years instead of having a bowl ban.

  • ingmire said... (original post)


    Your "scUM" self-imposed harsher penalties than this for a lot less.

    You mean these "harsh" penalties?

    "The school has docked itself approximately 130 hours of practice and training time over the next two years - two hours for every one hour of violation, which is common in these cases.

    The school said it already had reduced its quality-control staff from five members to three and prohibited them from attending practices and games for the remainder of 2010. It also will keep those staffers out of coaches' meetings, despite a new NCAA bylaw that allows them to attend."

    And by "for a lot less" do you mean the FOUR major violation scUM committed including active cheating and a violation of 10.1 to cover up said cheating?

    You must be a scUM grad because every bit the stupid hypocrite that we have all come to grow and love.

  • Did we vacate all the games from the 2010 season? or just the wins. Does this include the loss to Wisky??

    And I don't understand why we should vacate the Sugar Bowl game either. Players were cleared to play by the NCAA.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by whvball 3 years ago

  • Razorback

    Emma1680 said... (original post)

    OSU squeaked out a 5 point victory? I'd say that's pretty good considering Arkansas had about 20 additional schorlarship players on thier team than OSU

    Try 30.

  • whvball said... (original post)

    Did we vacate all the games from the 2010 season? or just the wins. Does this include the loss to Wisky??

    And I don't understand why we should vacate the Sugar Bowl game either. Players were cleared to play by the NCAA.

    they were cleared with the evidence they had at the time....nobody knew at that point of Tressel's fraudulent character.

  • ingmire said... (original post)

    Wow, what a harsh self-imposed penalty to themselves. Will really hurt recruiting. (Laughable)

    Your "scUM" self-imposed harsher penalties than this for a lot less.

    except here's the thing. They didn;t have any wins to vacate and they actually did cheat to become better or to have an advantage over us.