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Paterno did nothing wrong. He won lots of games so that makes everything ok, right? Right?!
On Tuesday community residents have organized a vigil at a State College, Pa., mural that includes a depiction of the Hall of Fame coach. Vigil planned to remember Joe Paterno on first anniversary of his death
Some people are just sick. Something is wrong in how we deal with dead famous people. Look, I loved about everything there was about Ronald Reagan, but the fact that his body laid in state over that many days and the endless coverage was cult like. Then, here comes along a child molesting accomplice and we're going to revere him?
I just have to keep telling myself this is all going to burn anyway....
One of those times when I wish I could launch a missile from my house.
"Any board that would ban 3yds is worthless"
Upvote from me. Of course, if I could do the same, the missiles I would have mine aimed at Ann Arbor and all of California.
Their fans just don't get it. But with as much as I hate Penn State and their fans, I'm kinda glad they keep bringing themselves back into the headlines for all the wrong reasons.
What more should we expect from the "Cult?"
I cant believe PSU people still love this guy and treat him like a god. He knew what Jerry was doing the whole time. You cant be a head coach of a top football program and not know whats going on behind closed doors to this degree unless your an idiot , which I don't think he was. If it was one of his grandkids Jerry did this to he would have hung him by his balls or just killed him on the spot but it wasn't so he looked the other way. The only person that's worse than a pedophile is someone that know's what the pedophile is doing and does nothing about it. Football was more important to Joe than children's lives so forgive me if I don't shed a tear for him.
Go to one of the 247 SEC sites for advice. They launch bottle rockets and look great in jorts.
“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
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You judgmental gods kill me.
Joe Paterno did a lot of good throughout his 45-year tenure but he also was complicit in the biggest scandal in CF history. So to tell the story about him you can't just ignore the full scope of his work.
I know most of you want to focus on one thing, which while major indeed, does not define the totality of who he was. He was this great coach and leader of young men and also someone who sought to keep potential major scandals quiet in order to win games and keep the Penn State machine going.
In that regard he's no different than a good many legendary head coaches. It may not have been boys being raped on campus while key personnel remained silent or sought to resolve the matter in house, but it was and will be something else. This is an issue that looms larger than any one individual because it's what happens when a town, city, state and school begins to deify one man.
It's unrealistic to anoint one man as a god and then when he falls short, which he will do, say he should've done more as if we know for certain what we would have done if in the same predicament.
I thought it was ridiculous how many people got upon their soap boxes talking about how if they had witnessed Sandusky raping one of those victims in the shower how they would've transformed into heat-seeking missles in order to stop him. Please!
And for those of you who wonder how PSU fans and alum can still celebrate his life, I ask what would most of us have done had such a situation occurred here--esp with thousands of outsiders referring to us as cultists and all else?
can't believe i'm out of downvotes ...
I'm not, out of down votes...........cyrstal, I will not except your post, never will. Joped walked on that campus for 12 plus years, KNOWING a suspected pedophile had access to his domain and did NOTHING to stop this fiend from preying on youngsters........yet, as the whistle blew on this sick crime, YOUR so-called great man, could only whimper....and I quote........."this was not football related, and I reported it to my minions"................I REBUKE your line of thinking, it mirrors the pedo fans that, to this day..........still defend that SPIS!!!! (sick piece of schitt)
I don't know where you were raised, but in OHIO, we EXPECT much more from the men and women we place in charge of our young, and this man FAILED. I ask you, do you think Woody would have shirked his duty, to protect young people from such a monster????? Any Coach of integrity????? YOU never erect statues of mere mortals, because,their feet are made of clay. The cardinal rule of coaching, is to PROTECT the young in their charge, the man that YOU are defending FAILED MISERABLY!!!!!! That's not judgement, that is a FACT!!!!!
Sugar has been in a defensive posture the last few days, in general.
You're so funny, you don't even realize that YOU are being a "judgmental god" yourself. The only difference is you are judging him on the great things he did. For some, the great things go out the window once you cover up child rapes.
So quit getting all defensive when people want to not like someone for something they did. On the thread about Welker's wife where you defend Ray Lewis.....you judge Mrs Welker and what she says because she was a Hooter's girl!! You judgmental god, you!
I'm not in a defensive posture just putting it all in perspective. Just trying to get you all to not get so emotionally charged.
I haven't defended anyone here because I don't know Ray Lewis and nor did I know Joe Paterno on any kind of personal level. So in that sense I'd look like a fool trying to do so.
Trust me when I say that the only thing I'm hoping to do is get many of you here not to change your opinions, beliefs or anything else. But to instead, think objectively here about all of this. To put it all in perspective.
Right now we're looking at one aspect and ignoring all other facets. That's not to say that one aspect wasn't bad or even tragic in some instances but it's not the whole story. That's all nothing more.
Haha, when did I engage you?
I made up my mind on R. Lewis a long time ago.....
Believe it or not I don't disagree with your points.
But the truth is that we're getting far too emotionally involved in matters that have no relevance to any of us. If Penn State fans want to memorialize Joe Pa then let them. That's their thing not ours as you've suggested.
The only thing I'm trying to bring clarity to is the fact that had such an unfortunate incident occurred here, how would we have reacted? Would we have been this dogmatic and demonstrative in our harsh judgment of that particular coach, administration, etc? I don't know for sure. Just as I don't know for sure if Woody would've done the complete opposite of Paterno.
And the reason I can say this is because you have to first understand the mentality of coaches from that generation which includes Paterno. They believed in keeping potential troubling situations and controversial matters under wraps; dealing with them in house. Not allowing the media in. Tressel basically did the same thing by not reporting the tattoos for memorabilia "scandal" to the compliance office and/or NCAA. Because even though he was of the next coaching generation, he still embodied some of those same values and ideas in terms of how to handle a potential troubling situation.
Like I said let's not think so much in terms of this being a rape situation (which it obviously was) but instead think of it in terms of how any man would deal with a potentially troubling situation at the spur of the moment. And let's be real here--something of this magnitude is far from the norm of what most have ever had to deal with. A star player being involved in a date rape matter yes but again of this magnitude, no.
Coaches are in my estimation dealt with as de facto university CEOs and/or presidents. We believe that because they're getting paid millions that this means they're ultimately responsible for a lot more than simply coaching their team and ensuring that they take care of their responsibilities both in the classroom and on the field.
Nick Saban in the aftermath of the Penn State scandal said he hopes he never has to be put in such a difficult situation where he'd have to make a major decision such as that. That's not to say that another coach either past or present wouldn't have handled the situation better but to say that we ultimately can't say for sure if confronted with the crisis.
The question I'd ask is which coach of a successful program can you think of right off hand who has willingly turned in star players or assistant coaches for inappropriate behavior and made it public? I can't think of any right off hand. It usually doesn't happen until an investigative journalist or NCAA investigators learn of it.
So until the culture of college football changes, we'll always have fans memorializing, commemorating and deifying the head football coaches of their respective universities. Logic and common sense are out the window when it comes to this. You know this as well as I do.
Is it hard to be wrong almost all the time ?
Once again, Sugar, I strongly disagree, with your assertion that it is none of "our" business. I am "old school", and while I love college football, it has it's PLACE in academia and life, in general. To simply turn away, bury your head in the sand and wonder which "coach" would have handled this crime any differently, is PRECISELY one the reasons WHY this crime continued for more than a decade, THAT WE KNOW OF...............I EXPECT MORE from the men and women placed in charge of our young, to DEMAND less, only serves to breed this "culture" to WIN at any cost. There should be NO QUESTION, how this matter should have been handled, to even imply such, leaves me in fear, that college sport will continue to morph into professionalism. It's time to stop this, WIN AT ANY COST MENTALITY, and by the tone of your post, I'm sure that you agree.
It's a free country. Let them do whatever they want. I really don't care what they do.
This post was edited by dominus 18 months ago
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