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If you go to their board, there are numerous threads about "We should sue ....." and "They should sue ....." and the former players should file a lawsuit....
They are the most letter writing, try to sue anybody for saying anything bad against their "Weird" little colony.
What part of this whole thing do they not get? It doesn't matter if JoePa SAYS he didn't know about it, the emails between the higher ups that say "Coach" within them are talking about JoePa. How dumb do they think people are to think it would be any other coach at PSU that would be in this discussion?
Their own BOT signed off on accepting whatever the Freeh report revealed. You can't go back now and say you were duped.
This is no different than any other NCAA punishment where current players pay the price for former wrong doings. They can say this wasn't a football issue, but it truly was since JoePa went silent to not bring any negative press toward his football program.
Yes. And some of our own on this board are dumb enough to think PSU has a shot.
Honestly, this is their problem. I have absolutely no desire to make it mine.
If they want to tilt windmills, fine. I say let 'em and laugh.
Agree completely, but time to get off of this...horse is dead, they are wrong and clinging to every shred of hope..BOT took the statue down for God's sake...
How firm thy friendship O-HI-O
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Give this man a Cee-Gar!
Our folks are entitled to their opinion, but you know it's getting bad when even I'm getting sick of talking about these worthless pukes. They are just dragging out their agony and digging themselves a deeper hole. They should have just let this go and moved forward. It's all about Paterno and their football team........SHAMEFUL!!
This post was edited by BIGBUCK20 17 months ago
I agree, but in the end, you have an account of the shower told under oath, the dead man at the center of it all who said he wished he had done more and a conviction. It happened, take your medicine and move on.
Only reason Phil Knight came out is because he wants sympathy for when his school sits in the hot seat.
Paterno cultists in the PSU fan base are delusional on a grand scale.
They're not delusional like *ichigan fans thinkinking Hoke is Meyer's equal kind of way. They're delusional in the "Drink the cyanide-laced kool-aid and hop on the comet" kind of way.
One guy on the PSU board is even getting down voted to hell just for saying that the "Paterno Report" didn't have the impact that PSU fans were hoping for. >>> http://pennstate.247sports.com/Board/18/That-ended-quickly-16749613/1
This post was edited by jrgdds 17 months ago
Patrick : "What do you think about the Ohio State hire?" Hoke: "Not...not good"
Wish the NCAA had given them at least a 5 year death penalty.
caring about what psu is doing is like someone spying on their crazy neighbor to see what he's going to do next. they're not hurting anyone but themselves by dragging out and parading around a dead corpse that the rest of the world wants buried and kept there.
They can sue whoever they want but it's not gonna change what went on in the shower stalls at that place... and god knows where else.
I don't think this sick chapter in CF SHOULD ever be buried, it should be remembered forever, this should never happen again.............hoping this goes away, reminds me exactly WHY this happened in the first damn place. In it's own perverted way, this culture should be the prime example of college sports running amok.
I love college sport, but I hate what it is becoming, this "win at all cost mentality", flies directly in the face of decent traits we used to adhere to.............sportsmanship, moral character, honesty, integrity......to name just a few........It's well past time for our Universities to do what we EXPECT them to do........EDUCATE !!!!! Sport is just another brick in the curriculum....
Please excuse my rant, just the way I want college sport to move............call me old fashioned........
Agreed 100%! Especially about Uncle Nike!
No excuse needed bro! This is without a doubt the biggest tragedy to ever hit college sports. All those goobers care about is their football team and Paterno's records. Folks can believe what they want, but the stories now surfacing from the Paterno & State of PA came are bought and paid for. These stories started being concocted last summer. PeeSU is allowing the State and the Paterno's to fight its battles. All this is doing is keeping them in a major league poor public light! Their funeral!
Oh my. I suggest getting off your high horse, devoutbuckeye. You feel the same way about the Catholic Church or the Boy Scouts of American? Back in the old days when I worked in a school in Ohio, an elementary principal, a well-respected 20-year veteran of the school district, was accused of fooling around with elementary students for years. He fled the state and became a fugitive just before being arrested. Does that indict elementary school districts in Ohio? Are the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts of America, or elementary schools in Central Ohio all running amok?
This could have happened at any university in any country of the world. This crime is happening right now in the community in which you live. It doesn't take any special "football culture" to fester the crime or its cover-up. You're right to be outraged but the idea that the football culture at PSU is responsible just doesn't make sense to me.
You are correct sir but not many here will agree withyou
You make good points Jimmy. And yes this crazy shit happens everywhere. But the problem is that everyone who controls this institution knew about it, kept allowing it to continue, and covered it up also. All to protect the image of the football program and not hurt their competitiveness. People who had nothing to do with the crime not only hid it for their benefit, but by doing so, promoted it IMO. When people make it easy for you to continually get away with a crime, you will continue to do it, and probably more frequently because you know you can't be caught. And honestly, I feel exactly the same about the catholic deal. That's a good example of another case of too much power and can't be touched (no pun). I really thought when this all came out that the B1G should have distanced themselves from this mess. Now we're stuck with the negative publicity.
Sorry Jimmy, that you think I am on a high horse.........I feel the same way about the two examples you set forth, when "rumors" abound , you think you should bury your head in the sand or take an active stance to protect those in your care????
You are correct, this could have happened anywhere, it is a problem the world over..........BUT THIS DID happen east of here, no sunshine laws, a closed off community, and a reputation for keeping things "in-house", due to the power of a coach that had been there since dirt, so yes, it was a "culture" problem and we have witnessed, that even AFTER informed, the monster continued with his "spree" for another decade in full view around this campus. So defend them if you wish, my friend. As a former educator and coach myself, I know what should have been done.
But, the point I was trying to make...........by forgetting what happened or growing "tired" of debating this crime, THAT did happen in and around a college football program, should we not keep it fresh in our thoughts, at least as a lesson for what NOT to do, if GOD forbid, a monster like this rears it's head again, anywhere in one's world????
So excuse me Jimmy, I 'll stay on my horse, ready to ride with my opinion against anyone that betrays the trust of young people or enables such...............
This post was edited by devoutbuckeye 17 months ago
IMO this should be about PSU, state of Pennsylvania, NCAA, etc...
To me it seemed odd how PSU / NCAA ran with Freeh report and let dead Paterno and his football program take all the heat.
I think there are skeletons at the University level, state level, etc... that some are happy to keep in the closet.
Phil Knight of Nike came out in a questioning manner of the Freeh report after the Paterno report came out.
This whole situation has been bizarre ever since the story broke only days after JoePa set the D1 wins record surpassing Eddie Robinson of Grambling. Why not before he set the record? or after the season?
I think there are other people as guilty, or more guilty, than Paterno who to this point have slid by with Paterno and PSU football taking the fall. Even Spanier, Curley, and Schultz who have yet to come to trial for their roles in the case.
Again, the whole thing is bizarre. I don't think we know anywhere near the whole truth at this point. I don't think we will ever really know what happened.
I for one am not content to see Paterno and PSU football punished if it means others who are as guilty, or more guilty, are walking away virtually unscathed. That is not justice.
Agreed! If others are involved, they need to pay as well!
I completely agree with you on this.
It's ridiculous how many threads have been posted here on Bucknuts in just the past few days about what PSU fans are saying on their board about their school, the Freeh Report and all the rest.
I say let's give it a rest here and let them wallow in their own misery. Because I know for sure that if we had endured such an unfortunate scandal with the college football world dogging us on a daily basis that we too would be in counterattack mode.
No, it's different. We were in defensive mode after the Tressel scandal but that was NOTHING compared to this. PSU fans are actively defending a man who knowingly allowed a sexual predator to continue abusing children for 10 years. Seriously, they are sick.
Absolutely agree with you there, devoutbuckeye.
I completely agree with you on this not being in any way comparable to the Tressel situation.
However what I was alluding to is if God forbid such a scandal of that magnitude were to ever occur here.
But I think the bigger issue here and setting aside the emotional reaction we have to what Sandusky did, is the fact that a man who never wanted the fame and fortune that can come along with being a HC at a large university, was expected to do everything. To act not just in the capacity of head football coach but also as president, provost, police chief, prosecutor and all else.
No head coach ever signs up for that no matter how much they're getting paid. Saban in fact commented on it in the aftermath of the revelation of the scandal by saying how he hopes to never be put in such a situation where he'd have to make such a crucial decision.
The problem is that Paterno was a relic from a long, bygone era and the university never had a legit exit strategy for him. They gave him too much authority and power even when he never solicited it. They essentially gave him a lifetime appointment a la the U.S. Supreme Court and that was their biggest mistake.
Come on now, you're buying into the idea that Joe was this aw-shucks, saintly guy who just did what he could to get along. There is no evidence that was ever true. Joe was a living god at that college and seemed to like the power he had and used it, for example when he forced out the woman who tried to have football players disciplined for their actions and Paterno would have none of it and eventually ran her out of town. He helped build the culture that concluded that the program and his record were more important than the kids Sandusky was abusing and did nothing to try to change it when the story broke.
The difference between PSU and the rest of the country is that they will simply not accept that Joe did something wrong despite all evidence to the contrary and are actively denying reality. We on the other hand have come to accept that Tressel did do something wrong and did deserve punishment although he was a great coach and did a lot of great things. I don't think there's anyone that tried to come up with some counter-report to the NCAA's findings to try to clear Tressel's name because they refused to believe that he would lie to protect his players. Nobody created an entire website dedicated to vindicating Tressel through conspiracy theories and ridiculous arguments when it was clear that he did something wrong. PSU fans continue to conduct themselves in their self-righteous, haughty manner as usual and attack anyone who even hints that Paterno did something wrong.
No, I don't think it's right to say that all fanbases would react in the same manner because I've never seen a fanbase react in a manner similar to PSU fans, even though this situation has never happened before. Of course fans are defensive but after a while most will accept the facts at some level even if they remember the coach or players fondly, but PSU fans are different. They refuse to accept any facts that contradict their twisted view of reality and seems to have become even more defensive as time has went on instead of less so about Paterno. They are sick.
Vicky Triponey saw first hand the insular culture in Happy Valley that led to so much ruin.
I am sorry Sugar, BUT a man, that was held in such HIGH ESTEEM , for 50 plus years, was the guiding light, was the knight guarding the HOLY GRAIL of right over wrong, that never failed to remind you of such, FAILED in this instance..........WE have FIRED coaches for less, right here in C-BUS.....HAVE WE NOT?????? JOpa's "grand experiment", I adhere to, but as a man...............HE FAILED TO IMPLEMENT, he talked the talk, but he didn't walk the walk....................for that I judge him as a mere mortal, nothing more, nothing less.
I just like to add, he HAD the power, to end this reign of perversion, BUT he did not, let others decide why, but if you are of such high moral fiber, as HE espoused, for most of his reign, HE could have cleansed PSU of this travesity, within hours of the allegation reaching his ears...............THIS IS WHAT I ASK, of the man placed in charge of any organization, anywhere.............do you ask of less??????
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