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Posey's Mom

  • If she had taught her son some morals and values he would not be in this situation. She is probably more of the problem than her son. We need to put a clause in the grant that says if you cheat you are automatically dismissed with no future ships from any NCAA school. You can punish the school but they are not the problem the students who cheat are the problem.

  • Here's the reality: Posey should've used better discretion considering he and the program were already under the NCAA's gun during the time he decided to work for the booster.

    However, the blame lies solely with the NCAA. Let's not shift the blame to Posey or the players or the university itself. The big monster, the giant if you will that is the NCAA needs to take the brunt of the blame.

    They're the ones who force the university's hand in suspending players or making rash decisions in order to save the program which is it's chief cash cow. A loss of bowl viability, television access and whatever else ='s serious loss of revenue. It can become almost the equivalent of a life or death sentence for a program such as this.

    It goes back to what Troy Smith was quoted as saying in the Omaha World Herald in the lead up to this past Saturday's game in Lincoln: how he fell on the sword for a lot of people--names he wouldn't disclose.
    Just prior to that, Geiger and the university had to cut ties with Clarett simply because of fear of potential NCAA sanctions which in turn would hurt the overall stability of the program, including a retrieval of the crystal ball they had won just the season before.

    The NCAA are like loan sharks and Feds. So in essence when the loanees (universities--coaches and ADs) see them coming, they begin to shake, backpedal and scram dropping cash, names and all else in order to stay alive and free.

    This is why the universities become the next round of scapegoats once the players have been run through the ringer, castigated and vilified both locally and nationally. Posey's mother can be upset with the university and athletic department, however, most of her ire needs to be pointed in the proper direction: toward the NCAA!

  • oneflbuck said... (original post)

    If she had taught her son some morals and values he would not be in this situation. She is probably more of the problem than her son. We need to put a clause in the grant that says if you cheat you are automatically dismissed with no future ships from any NCAA school. You can punish the school but they are not the problem the students who cheat are the problem.

    This has NOTHING to do with Posey lacking morals and values period! What has he done that is criminal in nature in the real world?
    And what do you mean when you say "cheating"? Cheating how? Did he dope up on roids which gave him an on-the-field competitive advantage?

    Did he somehow move the goal line on the field prior to several games last season which allowed his team to either get in the endzone easier or convert on a field goal in consecutive games?

    The answer is no to both so you need to keep the blame on the NCAA. Yes the players need to take responsibility and use better discretion, however why in the hell should youthful indiscretions lead to the downfall of prominent football programs?

    You encompass the attitude of many in this town who want to continue blaming the student athletes for why things are the way they are. When in reality it all lies at the top. It's always easier to blame the low man on the totem pole (student athletes) than to go after the giant monsters of this situation (the NCAA and athletic departments).

  • JAG24 said... (original post)

    I believe the attorney has turned over the evidence to the AP. I personally would love to see the NCAA sued, it's long past due. The problem is that it takes time and resources to file suit, and by the time these scholarship athletes have time and obtain adequate resources, they are in the pros. The kids who have families with the money to sue have no financial need to do so because they don't need to be earning money in college and are more than happy with the scholarship as remuneration for their services.

    With Posey, I do not believe the employment records of a private US citizen working for a private company should be subject to NCAA scrutiny. That's flat out wrong; unconstitutional in my opinion. If you were on a needs based scholarship, maybe you had to share income info with your school, but you certainly don't have to do this if you are a regular student, regardless of whether or not you are on academic scholarship. And everyone is free to pursue economic opportunities except some of these NCAA athletes.

    Not speaking to you here BB, but I really can't believe people on this website defend an organization such as the NCAA. Uneven enforcement, petty rules, basically a monopoly with a license to steal are the things I see. We've obviously been screwed over by these people, other schools are getting away with much bigger 'violations', and the responses I see on this website is that we want to castrate the alleged players who broke their petty rules and earned a couple hundred bucks on the oval and mock their parents because they didn't raise their kids with the right values. And to top it off, we're now coming up with a bunch of BS blaming the black culture for creating people who are encouraging the embracement of free market principles. Unbelievable.

    As stated earlier, I get the idea that a 'rules a rule' so to speak, and I agree Posey (and DiGeronimo) should have been alot smarter knowing the heat was on, a scholarship indeed has value and comes with strings attached, but there are other issues that need to be weighed in this equation that extend beyond making harsh and presumptive judgmental assumptions and accusations against Posey and his mother.

    I know you aren't directing it at me, but I will answer on at least some of it. I'm not sticking up for the NCAA. I think the NCAA is an utter joke and failure. However, just because the attorney has released the info to the AP doesn't make it any better. As I said in my previous post, I have an issue with supposedly paying Posey for travel time back and forth to Columbus when it doesn't appear this was also done for the others. I have an issue with supposedly treating Posey as if he were a union member by paying him for his travel time AND paying him time and a half for working a Saturday when he isn't a union member and wasn't being paid the same rate that union members were being paid. Cell phone records don't hold up to scrutiny because it doesn't prove or disprove Posey was working when he said he was. Having no time cards, players admittedly not knowing what they were being paid...it all smells right down to the core. All 4 of them were "working" jobs where there is no proof that they were there other than a supervisor submitting time for the players. While I believe Posey did work some or even most of the hours, I also think he took money for hours he didn't work. The supposed evidence from the attorney truly shows nothing, which is the reason why he stated there wouldn't be any suit or other legal recourse taken. It would get dismissed almost immediately. From my perspective, Posey is simply lucky he didn't get declared ineligible for the rest of the year, as was Herron, given they were at the root of the Tat scandal, along with Pryor and the others.

    I don't hate Posey. I think overall, he is probably a pretty good kid. However, he has made some pretty epic mistakes which, for all intents and purposes, are going to cost him the season and a lot of NFL money. Given that he will have a couple of games of eligibility this year, I think he would serve himself well by using this as a redshirt year and come back next year. It would give him time to rebuild what he has lost this year.

    BB

  • sugarcrystal said... (original post)

    This has NOTHING to do with Posey lacking morals and values period! What has he done that is criminal in nature in the real world? And what do you mean when you say "cheating"? Cheating how? Did he dope up on roids which gave him an on-the-field competitive advantage?

    Did he somehow move the goal line on the field prior to several games last season which allowed his team to either get in the endzone easier or convert on a field goal in consecutive games?

    The answer is no to both so you need to keep the blame on the NCAA. Yes the players need to take responsibility and use better discretion, however why in the hell should youthful indiscretions lead to the downfall of prominent football programs?

    You encompass the attitude of many in this town who want to continue blaming the student athletes for why things are the way they are. When in reality it all lies at the top. It's always easier to blame the low man on the totem pole (student athletes) than to go after the giant monsters of this situation (the NCAA and athletic departments).

    Great post. I concur 100%.

  • beav99_4life said... (original post)

    Okay White Man. How exactly did Gene Smith cause this mess? Did he lie to the university? The NCAA? If Gene Smith is Barack Obama, then Jim Tressel is George Bush, not getting enough blame for what HE and HE alone caused.

  • Space Buckin said... (original post)

    Okay White Man. How exactly did Gene Smith cause this mess? Did he lie to the university? The NCAA? If Gene Smith is Barack Obama, then Jim Tressel is George Bush, not getting enough blame for what HE and HE alone caused.

    It was just a matter of time as is the case with everything else in this country. Face facts, it is their only rebuttal. Mini minds use it all the time. Gee, Space Buckin, I don't see anywhere that Gene's race was mentioned. Please try to use some legitimate arguments from now on, please, and quit taking the low road.nono

  • JAG24 said... (original post)

    OK Rush, calm down.

    I think players, regardless of skin color, should be free to pursue the same economic, free market opportunities as any other US citizen.

    I say screw the NCAA and their communist, anti-american, anti-constitutional agenda.

    how do you know so much about rush or why someone sounds like him?

    not a VIP here.

  • bucksnnuts2 said... (original post)

    It was just a matter of time as is the case with everything else in this country. Face facts, it is their only rebuttal. Mini minds use it all the time. Gee, Space Buckin, I don't see anywhere that Gene's race was mentioned. Please try to use some legitimate arguments from now on, please, and quit taking the low road.

    I think you may want to re-read the posts.

    I was the one who called out a poster for going down the race path. Maybe he just made a typo, but I found his mocking of Posey's mother (and use of word "mo") to be in extremely bad taste, presumptuous, and uncalled for. I am not black, and I happen to agree with her.

    Next thing, Macedonia jumps in with some Rush Limbaugh diatribe, calls himself the "white man", and rails on about black entitlement. He likens Smith to Obama.

    I certainly don't understand your post. To me, Space Buckin has asked a legitimate question and has not the one who sent this down the low road. I will take blame for that. When you say, "it is their only rebuttal", who do you mean by "their". Am I included?

  • rick s said... (original post)

    how do you know so much about rush or why someone sounds like him?

    I listen to him sometimes at lunch when Rome is on commercial break.

  • Zonabuck said... (original post)

    Mike Hart was never one to get all caught up in wins and losses, or results overall. Far too complicated for Mighty Mouth. Nice to see Tunnel Thug Michael Shaw follow in his footsteps.

    thats because there were NO wins!!! lma o.... thats like the ugly chick saying beauty is on the inside, what a shmo! lol

  • Space Buckin said... (original post)

    Okay White Man. How exactly did Gene Smith cause this mess? Did he lie to the university? The NCAA? If Gene Smith is Barack Obama, then Jim Tressel is George Bush, not getting enough blame for what HE and HE alone caused.

    and all you folk owe me some reporations!!!

    really? I agree, get off the low road and grow up. Something tells me you and devier share the same type of attitude.

  • sugarcrystal said... (original post)

    This has NOTHING to do with Posey lacking morals and values period! What has he done that is criminal in nature in the real world? And what do you mean when you say "cheating"? Cheating how? Did he dope up on roids which gave him an on-the-field competitive advantage?

    Did he somehow move the goal line on the field prior to several games last season which allowed his team to either get in the endzone easier or convert on a field goal in consecutive games?

    The answer is no to both so you need to keep the blame on the NCAA. Yes the players need to take responsibility and use better discretion, however why in the hell should youthful indiscretions lead to the downfall of prominent football programs?

    You encompass the attitude of many in this town who want to continue blaming the student athletes for why things are the way they are. When in reality it all lies at the top. It's always easier to blame the low man on the totem pole (student athletes) than to go after the giant monsters of this situation (the NCAA and athletic departments).

    I disagree Sugar. It is about the players and what they can and can not do. 1st NCAA is a business. What they have to do is promote their business and then sell it to the buyers. We are the buyers. We have made this business a Billion dollar money maker. If CF wasn't this huge power, money business, these players (Boom, TP, and Posey) probably wouldn't be here. It would be about academics, lesser schollies and average saturday football. But no it's not. It's a huge enterprise.

    It's sports in general. I can't stand it. We the fans and former players pave this road for these current and future players. If it wasn't for the success with these former players what would they have now? It's not about the sport they love in life- it's about how to get theirs. It's about taking the short road to make millions. Just like these banks, CEO's, government officials. There is no moral grounds anymore.

    So basically that's why CF is the semi-pro league of the NFL.

    Also I am sorry I started this race debate going on here. That was not my intention.

    One more thing sugar (which this is not really directed at you) but if the players don't commit crimes- they are OK to proceed on with their football careers? Has it come down to you commit a serious crime, you are done, if you break any of the NCAA rules- it's ok because it wasn't a crime. I don't believe that.

    Rules are rules. I know some are shitty, but they are rules in place.

    If it is truly about money- go get it somewhere else Posey. Give up your schollie for another player that really wants to be part of this team, and go find a way to make a quick buck. Stop using your star status in CF to get handouts.

  • JAG24 said... (original post)

    I think you may want to re-read the posts.

    I was the one who called out a poster for going down the race path. Maybe he just made a typo, but I found his mocking of Posey's mother (and use of word "mo") to be in extremely bad taste, presumptuous, and uncalled for. I am not black, and I happen to agree with her.

    Next thing, Macedonia jumps in with some Rush Limbaugh diatribe, calls himself the "white man", and rails on about black entitlement. He likens Smith to Obama.

    I certainly don't understand your post. To me, Space Buckin has asked a legitimate question and has not the one who sent this down the low road. I will take blame for that. When you say, "it is their only rebuttal", who do you mean by "their". Am I included?

    "Their" is referring to a group with a particular frame of mind and if you share that frame of mind then, yes, you are included. I did fail to read all of the posts and just found Space Buckin's comment over the top with both the use of White Man as well as bringing his political beliefs into the conversation.

  • bucksnnuts2 said... (original post)

    "Their" is referring to a group with a particular frame of mind and if you share that frame of mind then, yes, you are included. I did fail to read all of the posts and just found Space Buckin's comment over the top with both the use of White Man as well as bringing his political beliefs into the conversation.

    OK, I think I get where this is going. Let's say NJBuckeye cleared it up for me.

    I agree there is a group of people posting who are of a particular frame of mind. It's not me though, it's those of you who seem to believe you know an awful lot about Posey, his family, character, upbringing, motivations etc. because he may have violated a couple NCAA rules. Maybe you all know alot more about Posey than me, and I don't know, maybe you are on to something, but I try to be fair in my thinking on these things and I think that's way too judgmental and harsh given what has been reported on the issue.

    Look, I listen to Rush a little also and get a laugh out of some of his stuff, but that type of ad hominem arguing about political issues is out of place on this website in my opinion. I've never heard it, but I understand that James Carville does an LSU radio show and has one rule, no political speech. If a left wing guy like Carville can pull that off in the deep south, certainly we can agree that if a political type issue like race comes up, it is discussed in a fair and resonable way.

  • BrowardBuck said... (original post)

    I know you aren't directing it at me, but I will answer on at least some of it. I'm not sticking up for the NCAA. I think the NCAA is an utter joke and failure. However, just because the attorney has released the info to the AP doesn't make it any better. As I said in my previous post, I have an issue with supposedly paying Posey for travel time back and forth to Columbus when it doesn't appear this was also done for the others. I have an issue with supposedly treating Posey as if he were a union member by paying him for his travel time AND paying him time and a half for working a Saturday when he isn't a union member and wasn't being paid the same rate that union members were being paid. Cell phone records don't hold up to scrutiny because it doesn't prove or disprove Posey was working when he said he was. Having no time cards, players admittedly not knowing what they were being paid...it all smells right down to the core. All 4 of them were "working" jobs where there is no proof that they were there other than a supervisor submitting time for the players. While I believe Posey did work some or even most of the hours, I also think he took money for hours he didn't work. The supposed evidence from the attorney truly shows nothing, which is the reason why he stated there wouldn't be any suit or other legal recourse taken. It would get dismissed almost immediately. From my perspective, Posey is simply lucky he didn't get declared ineligible for the rest of the year, as was Herron, given they were at the root of the Tat scandal, along with Pryor and the others.

    I don't hate Posey. I think overall, he is probably a pretty good kid. However, he has made some pretty epic mistakes which, for all intents and purposes, are going to cost him the season and a lot of NFL money. Given that he will have a couple of games of eligibility this year, I think he would serve himself well by using this as a redshirt year and come back next year. It would give him time to rebuild what he has lost this year.

    BB

    +1. Posey's lucky he wasn't dropped from the team.

  • beav99_4life said... (original post)

    This has NOTHING to do with Posey lacking morals and values period! What has he done that is criminal in nature in the real world? And what do you mean when you say "cheating"? Cheating how? Did he dope up on roids which gave him an on-the-field competitive advantage?

    Did he somehow move the goal line on the field prior to several games last season which allowed his team to either get in the endzone easier or convert on a field goal in consecutive games?

    The answer is no to both so you need to keep the blame on the NCAA. Yes the players need to take responsibility and use better discretion, however why in the hell should youthful indiscretions lead to the downfall of prominent football programs?

    You encompass the attitude of many in this town who want to continue blaming the student athletes for why things are the way they are. When in reality it all lies at the top. It's always easier to blame the low man on the totem pole (student athletes) than to go after the giant monsters of this situation (the NCAA and athletic departments).

    Sugar as a former SA at tOSU I can assure you that everyone of the TAT5 and the players involved in the jobs deal knew they were breaking the rules of the NCAA. Whether you or the players in question like the rules is really not up for discussion as they are they rules of the road and when we sign on the dotted line we are required to live by the rules. They pound into your head the fact that you are not allowed to take anything, sell anything, accept jobs without notifying the school first. When they took the jobs or traded uni's for tat's they knew they were breaking the rules of the NCAA and were therefore cheating. Someone who was brought up with high moral value would not have cheated in the first place.

    You are right the NCAA(top as you classify it) has made the rules and it is the SA responsibility to abide by them. I am personally embarrassed by the way our SA feel they have some entitlements due them. They are an embarrassment to the school.

    This post was edited by oneflbuck 3 years ago

  • Posey definitely got hosed as did Herron and Hall. Who the hell is the NCAA to determine what student athletes are to get paid compared to the average wage for a similar job. Is the almighty NCAA a union organization now. I'm sick of hearing about them and this supposedly "systemic" problem within the OSU football program.
    A tatoo, a lie, a round of golf and all of a sudden OSU is blackeye for the entire college world. I don't buy it and quite frankly I could care less what others think. Go clean of your own house before you start looking for dirt in mine!

  • THEnutbuster

    blue in ohio said... (original post)

    Mike hart had a mouth, no doubt but I call posey and pryor prima donna because of their willingness to put the program in harms way due to their own selfish ways. It was all about them and getting their's. Sometimes it's a blessing not getting the selfish five star type. Not sure if you guys heard hart's latest idiot statements. In his case he just lacks a brain.

    I understand what you are saying but I find it so ironic to hear scUM players talking crap about the players at Ohio State, while that entire program was still serving sanctions. Hypocrites at their best.

    I can honestly say there have been players at scUM that I have had a lot of respect for, Mike Hart was an embarrassment IMO

  • While players all around the country appear to be receiving hand outs for doing nothing aside from suiting up on Saturday, the nc2a can still find a problem with kids who our actually work... At jobs.

    Before you jump on my back I will admit that yes, the 'work' these guys do is likely hardly work at all but they seem to be actually doing something. I guess my point is how odd it is to hear about guys under fire for working some but not all the hours they were paid for while we hear very little about players at other schools simply getting bucks for doing nothing at all. Against the rules yes, dumb situation? Yes. Nc2a killing gnats with a hammer? Yes.

  • sugarcrystal said... (original post)

    This has NOTHING to do with Posey lacking morals and values period! What has he done that is criminal in nature in the real world? And what do you mean when you say "cheating"? Cheating how? Did he dope up on roids which gave him an on-the-field competitive advantage?

    Did he somehow move the goal line on the field prior to several games last season which allowed his team to either get in the endzone easier or convert on a field goal in consecutive games?

    The answer is no to both so you need to keep the blame on the NCAA. Yes the players need to take responsibility and use better discretion, however why in the hell should youthful indiscretions lead to the downfall of prominent football programs?

    You encompass the attitude of many in this town who want to continue blaming the student athletes for why things are the way they are. When in reality it all lies at the top. It's always easier to blame the low man on the totem pole (student athletes) than to go after the giant monsters of this situation (the NCAA and athletic departments).

    Hey, pal, did you ever consider the well known dictum that, "if you break the rules, you suffer the consequences." Too bad folks like you never consider that part of the consequences is making others suffer for what you did. In this case, Posey obviously broke the rules (the NCAA surely wasn't buying what his lawyer was selling), and now he suffers the consequences and makes his teammates who didn't break the rules also suffer the consequences.

    So tell me how life just ain't fair for Posey and other poor folks like him.

  • sugarcrystal said... (original post)

    Here's the reality: Posey should've used better discretion considering he and the program were already under the NCAA's gun during the time he decided to work for the booster.

    However, the blame lies solely with the NCAA. Let's not shift the blame to Posey or the players or the university itself. The big monster, the giant if you will that is the NCAA needs to take the brunt of the blame.

    They're the ones who force the university's hand in suspending players or making rash decisions in order to save the program which is it's chief cash cow. A loss of bowl viability, television access and whatever else ='s serious loss of revenue. It can become almost the equivalent of a life or death sentence for a program such as this.

    It goes back to what Troy Smith was quoted as saying in the Omaha World Herald in the lead up to this past Saturday's game in Lincoln: how he fell on the sword for a lot of people--names he wouldn't disclose. Just prior to that, Geiger and the university had to cut ties with Clarett simply because of fear of potential NCAA sanctions which in turn would hurt the overall stability of the program, including a retrieval of the crystal ball they had won just the season before.

    The NCAA are like loan sharks and Feds. So in essence when the loanees (universities--coaches and ADs) see them coming, they begin to shake, backpedal and scram dropping cash, names and all else in order to stay alive and free.

    This is why the universities become the next round of scapegoats once the players have been run through the ringer, castigated and vilified both locally and nationally. Posey's mother can be upset with the university and athletic department, however, most of her ire needs to be pointed in the proper direction: toward the NCAA!

    So basically just one long big excuse to ignore the current rules correct?

    What the hell is wrong with this country? What? Does no one take any responsibility anymore for anything they do? Let's just make up a bunch of excuses as to why someone breaks the rules and say someone else is to blame. That makes perfect sense.

    Let me get this straight. Maurice Clarett breaks the rules. But it's not his fault for breaking those rules...it's the NCAA's fault? Ok. Yeah...that makes sense.

    Troy Smith takes $500 from a booster....and then says he falls on the sword for others who have committed the same or other infractions....yet it's not Troy Smith's fault or those others fault. I guess it has to be the NCAA's fault.

    Same with the tat5? Oh no...not their fault. Has to be the NCAA's fault.

    Wow...that's great. I think the next time I get a speeding ticket I'm going to tell the judge..."hey judge..this isn't my fault. It's your fault. You and your stupid rules/laws along with the fat cat government you are a part of. You guys are the ones to blame for me speeding...certainly not me." Yeah...I bet that would fly over really well!

    I guess we should just all be allowed to do whatever the hell we want. No consequences so long as it doesn't affect me.....or say the team that I root for.

    Our society is fu_king pathetic!

  • Chuman said... (original post)

    I disagree Sugar. It is about the players and what they can and can not do. 1st NCAA is a business. What they have to do is promote their business and then sell it to the buyers. We are the buyers. We have made this business a Billion dollar money maker. If CF wasn't this huge power, money business, these players (Boom, TP, and Posey) probably wouldn't be here. It would be about academics, lesser schollies and average saturday football. But no it's not. It's a huge enterprise.

    It's sports in general. I can't stand it. We the fans and former players pave this road for these current and future players. If it wasn't for the success with these former players what would they have now? It's not about the sport they love in life- it's about how to get theirs. It's about taking the short road to make millions. Just like these banks, CEO's, government officials. There is no moral grounds anymore.

    So basically that's why CF is the semi-pro league of the NFL.

    Also I am sorry I started this race debate going on here. That was not my intention.

    One more thing sugar (which this is not really directed at you) but if the players don't commit crimes- they are OK to proceed on with their football careers? Has it come down to you commit a serious crime, you are done, if you break any of the NCAA rules- it's ok because it wasn't a crime. I don't believe that.

    Rules are rules. I know some are shitty, but they are rules in place.

    If it is truly about money- go get it somewhere else Posey. Give up your schollie for another player that really wants to be part of this team, and go find a way to make a quick buck. Stop using your star status in CF to get handouts.

    I could not have said that any better. I probably would have said it with a lot less class than you did.

    The one thing I absolutely hate about 'the American way' in this day and age is that no one seems to want to be held accountable. No one. Someone else is always to blame.

    Posey...along with the others....had a golden ticket! A chance to see more money than many of us will. Is there absolutely no way any of these guys could suck it up...and tough it out for 3-4 years living at the university, getting a free ride so to speak...not having to pay for room or food...and then when that's over basically be millionaires and set for life?

    How and why is that so hard for people to grasp? So you live in the dorms. So you eat at the cafeteria. What the hell man.....when that's over you'll have all the cars, all the money.....a big house or condo....you will have it all?

    But no...gotta have a phat ride, phat crib...and lots of $$$$ for some bling & tats....so I can have a phat chick under each arm and look like I'm pimpin' large...even though technically I'm only 20 or 22 years old and haven't done $hit yet except play high school and a little bit of college football!!

    Yes....Posey's mom is part of the problem! She thinks her kid can do no wrong. That's part of the problem....and she's not the only 1 in america that does that.

    She should shut her big mouth...and let her kid learn from his mistakes. It's called life. You don't get everything your way or everything you want all at once. You have to want to work hard for it. Not take the easy road to obtain it.

    This post was edited by Bearbuck 3 years ago

  • oneflbuck said... (original post)

    Sugar as a former SA at tOSU I can assure you that everyone of the TAT5 and the players involved in the jobs deal knew they were breaking the rules of the NCAA. Whether you or the players in question like the rules is really not up for discussion they are they rules of the road and when we sign on the dotted line we are required to live by the rules. They pound into your head the fact that you are not allowed to take anything, sell anything, accept jobs without notifying the school first. When they took the jobs or traded uni's for tat's they knew they were breaking the rules of the NCAA and were therefore cheating. Someone who was brought up with high moral value would not have cheated in the first place.

    You are right the NCAA(top as you classify it) has made the rules and it is the SA responsibility to abide by them. I am personally embarrassed by the way our SA feel they have some entitlements due them. They are an embarrassment to the school.

    yes. well put.

  • Good post BearBuck, +1.

    Whoever said this has nothing to do with morals and values is not thinking clearly ! All of these guys knew what they were doing was wrong. If they had any morales, a tablespoon of integrity, or valued their teammates and their place on the team....we wouldn't be on the NCAA's most wanted list. Instead, they would have followed the rules (however dumb those rules seem to be).

    Quit making excuses for these kids and deflecting the blame ! Blame the NCAA......really ? The Universities are the ones who established the NCAA to begin with, let's blame Ohio State for agreeing to abide by these rules (sarcasm).

    Let's place the blame and leave it where it belongs, on the players and the boosters.

    Formerly "Buckeye47Fan". Couldn't carry over my handle, why 247 ?