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Recruiting Rankings - Big 10 vs SEC

  • "Kentucky is 28th nationally, which is second to last in the SEC but would rank fourth in the Big Ten."

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--sec-s-dominance-extends-to-signing-day-055403427.html;_ylt=AkjAG2Br_eN2rKbJ6o_zpEMLcykA;_ylu=X3oDMTFoZnA0Y2I3BG1pdANCbG9nIEluZGV4IGJ5IEF1dGhvcgRwb3MDMQRzZWMDTWVkaWFCbG9nSW5kZXg-;_ylg=X3oDMTFrODdzYXZuBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANhdXRob3IEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

    I don't care too much about the rest of the schools in the Big 10, but it is pretty sad at how bad the recruiting has become at other historic programs, such as Minnesota and Iowa. I was stunned to see that Vanderbilt has a better class than Nebraska.

    It is what it is though, and it makes the road to the Championship game that much tougher for SEC schools, whereas the road for us is much easier .. buckeyes

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  • I don't know. I think it is a bunch of crap! Bottom line is while we lose as a conference more often than we win vs. the SEC, it's not like we are getting absolutely HOUSED in these games. Hell, we are the only ones that seem to get drubbed for the most part. Then, you throw in the beat down Michigan took in Dick Rod's last year. Otherwise, we really just lose by 3 to nine points per game. I think some of it completely overhyping certain recruits because of where they are from. But, the only way to shut folks up is to kick their ass in a big way.

  • really and we need this info here for what ? are we going to go out and recruit for the rest of the B1G ??? irrelevant

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    Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...

  • Prior to last year, thanks to the infamous "gentlemen's agreement," we wouldn't have seen much, if any, poaching within the conference. This year, virtually every B1G school either took from or lost a recruit to another B1G school. I think that the B1Gs are slowly learning. They're beginning to understand that the rules have changed. The gauntlet's been thrown down. Adapt or die...nice guys finish last. blah blah blah

    But there's absolutely no excuse for any B1G to have been outranked by Kentucky, which has been historically the worst football program in the SEC. But Stoops got three 4-stars and two of them he flipped from USC and Nebraska. Meanwhile, Iowa fans are doing backflips because Ferentz flipped a 3-star LB from Illinois.

    There is no reason that the B1Gs can't have Top 30 classes. But they have to want it and to want it, they have to commit to it. Here's one way:

    FootballScoop Staff ‏@footballscoop
    The value of a great recruiting coordinator / director of player personnel is only going up. If you have one, take care of him

    Urban said the keys to success are, in this order 1) getting good players, 2) coaches who know how to coach them, and 3) being good at X's and O's. Getting good players starts with Mark Pantoni, OSU's director of player personnel, who's on point when it comes to leading the recruiting charge for Ohio State. He's considered another coach and he was one of Urban's first hires, a guy he had to have, a position he made Gene Smith create. Pantoni lives and breathes recruiting, is all over social media, coordinates all the mailings, gathers intelligence. Ohio State's class is as much Pantoni's as Urban Meyer's because his fingerprints are all over it. Most B1G schools have an assistant coach as their recruiting coordinator. With the changes in recruiting that were just passed, there's going to be more demand than ever to have someone who can make recruiting his full-time job.

  • The BIG needs to upgrade its coaches and the facilities at the schools ( sans OSU and a few others).

    If they pump money in, the recruits will come.

    I read that Indiana thinks this may be one of their best classes ever. Nebraska seemed to have done ok. MSU and Whisky were disappointing.
    PSU is in the midst of their sanctions.

    Urban is changing the league; they'll need to keep up or simply be buried.

    "man we got some fuckin weirdos on this site." - Davebucknut 9/5/13 post of the year

  • Funny how you guys think the opinion of rivals, scout & 247 is what matters most. Stars is not everything, you still have to develop the players & coach them.

    No one will know until 4 years how good these classes are, besides kids get a bump when they committ or are being recruited by a big Dogs anyway. Example, leveon Bell freaking 2 star, Johnny man 3 star go figure.

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    Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...

  • Recruiting is an inexact science but it's a science nonetheless. There will always be misses but the stars are a way of banking on success. You don't see the best teams loading up on 2-stars, do you?

    Urban said just today that having good players trumps everything else, that it's far more important than good coaches and game strategy.

    Rivals has declared Alabama its national recruiting champion for the 5th time in the last six years. Alabama's also won three of the last four national champions on the field.

    Coincidence? You're more than welcome to think so; I, however, think not.

  • Stars matter, just see below. Also how well the coaching does matter as well. Also see below.

    Stars
    Percent Drafted
    Average draft position

    ★★
    5.1%
    143 (5th round)

    ★★★
    8.2%
    124 (late 4th round)

    ★★★★
    17.0%
    108 (early 4th round)

    ★★★★★
    37.0%
    79 (3rd round)

    Coaching up:

    Rank-----School---------------Recruits drafted------------------BCS Expectations--------Development ratio
    1----------Iowa----------------------28------------------------------------14.7-------------------------189%
    2----------California----------------30-------------------------------------17.4------------------------172%
    3----------USC-----------------------51------------------------------------29.5--------------------------172%
    4----------tOSU---------------------39------------------------------------23.6----------------------------165%
    5----------Wake Forrest------------14------------------------------------8.5-----------------------------164%

    Pulled from interesting article:
    http://www.blackheartgoldpants.com/2012/5/15/3018727/player-development-2012-grading-the-journey-from-high-school-recruit

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by McAuley 14 months ago

  • You're right about not knowing about the class until it plays out, but starting with physically gifted kids is a great advantage.

    Look at what Saban does at Bama with top athletes. When you can develop great talent, you can have an elite program.

    When you're an Iowa, you have a good team every couple years, with a special one every 10.

    "man we got some fuckin weirdos on this site." - Davebucknut 9/5/13 post of the year

  • Completely agree.

    Heard Golic on Mike and Mike this morning talking about his son's recruiting class....and one of the lineman he played with in the all star game went to Alabama.....and that kid's recruiting class has won 3 national titles!!

    That's just sick......

    And your post about Urban's keys to success? Well Saban's are pretty much the same...those steps are crucial to winning and it's evident.

    Saban in an interview discussed what he tells players and recruits........in a nutshell......Saban views the player that's been there longer....has had his chance to shine and contribute on the field. If he hasn't done so....then someone else needs to do it and why can't it be these super talented recruits if their up to the task?!!

    In short....hard work and talent will get on the field at Alabama. Just because you're a sophomore, junior....or even senior...if you're not putting in the hard work....and not taking advantages of your opportunities.....others will step in for you. That's the attitude he wants and that's the attitude he creates....

    Urban fortunately...is the exact same way.

    Urban is that way 100%.....and we'll see that.

    I am and will always be a Tressel guy....love the man. But I have to be honest.....he was that way.....maybe about 75 to 80% at times!! That's generous.....

    I know Tressel played talent.....and I know Tressel pretty much had us on the verge of being a dynasty like Saban at Alabama......but I don't know if he 100% approached recruits in the same manner. I'm sure that stuck in a lot of recruits minds.....

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  • panic holy crap !! It would have been nice to see Derrick Green go to MSU. would fit that system perfectly.

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  • Bama signs 25-30 every year 6-5 five stars, how many of those guys become big time players 2-3, 4 stars & 3 star gems are also found..plus they lose like 15 guys every year.

    But looking at the offers & awarding stars works also.

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    Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...

  • Historic programs like minnesota and iowa ......... You lost allcredibility with that statement

  • You really should think before you speak...or rather type.

    He was making a point to this effect:

    Minnesota has history..... 7 national titles, 1 Heisman winner and 33 consensus all americans

    Iowa has history too....1 national title, 1 Heisman winner and 22 consensus all americans.

    On the other hand......

    Vanderbilt has a history of 0 national titles, 0 Heisman winners and 6 all americans

    Kentucky has 0 national titles, 0 Heisman winners and 10 all americans.

    He hasn't lost any credibility....he was merely pointing out that Iowa and Minnesota despite their historical accomplishments haven't done well recruiting compared to Vanderbilt or say Kentucky who neither have very much history at all.

    Moreover....I think the most important point he was making is that the SEC hype machine is influencing recruits to go to schools simply because they are in the SEC conference......

    Any conference with bad publicity or is shed in a darker or lessor light...isn't going to do well when a majority are persuaded by perception.

  • Guys ... Champs from 1903 dont count ... Nobody i know would call minny or iowa historic programs ...

  • Whats really sad, is that Maryland would have been #4 in the B1G this year only behind us, scUM, and Nebraska.

  • Then they don't know football or football history....at least Big Ten football history .......ever heard of Bronko Nagurski? Yeah...the one the award is named after? How about Marion Barber Jr, Tony Dungy or Nile Kinnick, Chuck Long to name a couple....

    Iowa 1958 and Minnesota 1960......so you're a little off with the 1903 comment.

    Neither school is an Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State, scUM, Penn State, Texas or a USC...no one is arguing that......

    But they are on par if not above the likes of Vanderbilt or Kentucky.

  • Well I guess you are stupid then.....or rather...your opinion in my opinion....is stupid!! LOL......

  • The op said HISTORIC ...Minny and iowa are garbage middle to bottom big programs in the real era since segragation ended ... Bronco .agurski loololola

  • Typical name calling ... Somethi.g most of the regular posters here resort to if you dont agree 100% with what they say

  • I could care less whether you agree with me at all....and I apologize for calling you a name....but I did say that it was your opinion rather than you....so I name called your opinion LOL.

    Your opinion lacks reason and logic. Just making a blanket statement that "they don't count" while taking into consideration the entire scope of college football and it's evolution short sighted and narrow minded on your part.

    Minnesota and Iowa while not at an elite level.....offer a lot to the conference regardless. The conference wouldn't be or feel the same without them......

    Are you even capable of reasoning? You make fun of me pointing out that Bronko Narguski had a major impact on college football .... how many ex-players from Kentucky or Vanderbilt have someone who impacted college football so much that an award was named after them?

    While their history may not be recent....they do have a good history in this conference. I would hardly call them garbage.

  • Minny garbage
    iowa ssmelly toecheese

  • That's all they are is "Historic". They are nothing right now. Those were different times, and Minny and Iowa haven't done squat to get better. For awhile I thought Kirk Ferentz was on his way to building that program, but it's getting worse each year.

    I agree with most on here, that top recruits is how to sustain a program. A good coach- teaching and developing these kids, can build the program, but you need to start winning. Winning then brings in top recruits, then you can sustain the winning atmosphere.

    When the B1G territory (PA, Ohio, Minny, Illinois, Indiana, even some of the other midwest region) loses on 4-6 top recruits to southern or western teams, that hurts.

    Top prospects in B1G region: (Per 24/7)
    #5 - Jaylon Smith (IN) - ND
    #8 - Dorian Johnson (PA) - Pitt
    #18 - Robert Foster (PA) - Bama
    #27 - Elijah Daniels (IN) - Auburn
    #28 - Laquon Treadwell (IL) - Ole Miss
    #32 - Alex Anzalone (PA) - Florida
    #45- Eli Apple (NJ) - tOSU
    #48 - Adam Brenaman (PA) -PSU
    #57 - Jalin Marshall (OH) - tOSU
    #58 - Alquadain Muhammad (NJ) - Miami
    #60 -Cameron Burrows (OH) - tOSU
    #65 - David Dawson (MI) - Michigan
    #70 - Ezekiel Elliot (MO) - tOSU
    #71 - Corey Clement (NJ) - Wisky
    #72 - Ethan Pocic (IL) - LSU
    #70 - Mitch Trubisky (OH) - UNC
    #80 - Dymonte Thomas (OH) - Michigan
    #81 - Shane Morris (MI) - Michigan
    #85 - Ty Issac (IL) - USC
    #89 - Evan Lisle (OH) - tOSU
    #94 - Kevin Olsen (NJ) - Miami

    Conclusion: (Top 100)
    21 commits in the region (I did add the northeast part of the states, but not MD)
    8 recruits stayed in their home town.
    10 stayed in the B1G, out of those 10, half of them are Buckeyes, 3 are Michigan, 1 PSU, and 1 Wisky.
    8 went to southern schools, and 1 went out west.

    1st- this tells me that the northern/midwest schools are behind on developing top prospects. 21 out of 100 kids in a heavy populated area is not good.
    2nd - Take away the big 2 OSU and UM, 2 players in the top 100 went to a B1G school. Seriously!!!!!!!!!!
    3rd - Take away the top 2 (Which still didn't go to a B1G school), the next 4 top prospects in the region all went to SecK schools. This is why they are killing the B1G.

  • Creedbuck.......

    Here's something to think about.....over the coarse of the past 45 years......out of let's say 127 teams listed on the recruiting rankings page......

    Only 21 teams have won a National Championship! That to me is a very interesting fact. It tells you who the top dogs are....

    Of those 21.....only 3 would not be considered national powers: Pittsburgh, BYU and Colorado.

    So only 18 teams in the past 45 years have won the NC more than 1 time....and those 18 teams are for the most part pretty historical programs. 18! That's not that many.

    Now...going back to 1912....100 years ago.....those 18 teams I mentioned....all have won at the very least...a share of a national championship! That's incredible.

    You know who you don't see on that list?

    Oregon, Oregon State, Arizona, Utah, Washington State, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Missouri, South Carolina, Texas Tech, Kansas, Kansas State, Boise State, Boston College, North Carolina, Iowa State, West Virginia, Rutgers, Louisville, South Florida, Indiana, Purdue, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Michigan State,......all of which at one point or another would be considered relevant in this day and age....haven't done jack $hit!! Looks to be about an equal amount of teams spread between the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac 12 and B1G Ten.....the five major conferences currently.

    The really really relevant ones: multiple NC's in the last 45 years...to even 100 years:

    Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, scUM, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Washington, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Notre Dame......those are the 18 in the past 45 years.

    I left off Pittsburgh, Colorado and BYU for obvious reasons.

    I just find that to be very interesting indeed.

  • Well look at the bright side. Name calling apparently hurts much less then being pummeled with sticks and stones, which can cause numerous fractures, bleeding, and most likely a trip to the ER.

    That's just something I heard somewhere a long time ago...