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Forget what Urban Meyer says about OSU continuing to build on its reputation as something of a Tailback U., where Beanie followed Eddie, who followed Robert who followed Keith who followed Tim who followed Archie, who followed a line of running-back legends that included Hop Cassady, Vic Janowicz, Les Horvath and Chic Harley.
sad news for me - say it isn't so!
"Any board that would ban 3yds is worthless"
Maybe it's better to say they won't be featured all the time. But I bet OSU's stable get their share of carries--too good not to.
hey, whatever wins right?
+ can't wait to hang 70+ on Bret B!
Leave it to the NFL to ruin everything. The way the NFL has been evolving is of little interest to me. They've made it a high scoring game at the expense of the essence of the game itself. Waaaay to QB centric these days. I hardly watch the league anymore, it's not even football anymore with these ridiculous penalties. Sad to see college football going that way too. Once the days of the dual threat QB disappear I'm done with it.
Indy, I totally agree. I don't watch much NFL either. If a team doesn't have a great qb they suck.
I kinda think our Offense will look a little more like what we had in 06. Smith to Gonzo yadda yadda. We will still run. You can't just drop 3-4 yard chunks and a 100 yard chunk from time to time. It's still foozball guys and the name of the offensive game is keeping defenses guessing. Well... they will know they are bout to get lit up anyways
While I agree this is the general trend, Alabama has proved that the running game and defense still wins championships.
This is nothing new. It's been an on-going evolution. RBs have the shortest careers of any position in the NFL. They are also one of the lowest paid, averaging fewer than $1 million per year, which ranks them behind QBs, DEs, OTs, DTs, CBs, LBs and WRs and barely ahead of safeties. They're so fragile, it's become a specialized position. Lose your featured back to an injury and your whole offensive strategy can fall apart. They're still a piece of the pie but far from the biggest piece.
Now, if you're an RB and you can a) maximize your versatility (pass catching), while b) protecting your health by minimizing the pounding you take in college, you can expand you pro careers. Play three more years, make another $3 million, maybe even more if you can make it to free agency. The power running game with a featured RB means a lot of 1-2 yard runs in the hope that you a) wear down the defense, and b) break a long run. But that pounding takes a toll, like having a pitcher throwing too many innings. Productivity equates to longevity and vice versa.
I believe the spread-option will result in less pounding and more long runs as the playing field gets spread wider. We'll see a lot more traps and draws, screens and pitches, RBs lined up wide, like Brandon Saine used to. It will also force defenses to cover more space, which means DEs and DTs will have to run more, which will help wear down those big bodies. Then you hit them with the power running game in the 4th quarter to run out the clock and protect the lead.
That's what we were doing against Nebraska until Braxton went down and Bowersman came in and Bollman decided to start throwing the ball with a 21-point lead. We abandoned the power run game at the time when we should have relied on it the most.
This is the vision Urban must sell to recruits--forget being a 1,000 yard back, which he's never had, and think about what it's going to take for you to play in the pros. For many years.
You score more points than the other team, you win! I don't care how
I can't watch the NFL either, have totally lost interest in it. But not because of the offensive style. Its not just them following this trend. High school has been going that way for a long time. The pound up the middle for every play except desperation downs days are gone. While some schools still refuse to change, very few are successful at it. The same can be said for a true spread offense. They are good as long as the QB is very good, but they always seem to get stopped at some point. The spread option is more of a mixture and will still have RB's involved. Personally I like this offense. I always feel that calling it a spread is more about its formation of using the whole field. Not so much on the plays that are usually associated with the spread offense. As in the QB passes the ball or runs it himself on every down. That I don't like either, but I like the spread option.
Ground game trying not to ,,,run,,, out of stem this year
Running style has always reflected the coach and his beliefs. When Woody came into Ohio State(1951) he switched the explosive, and successfull Wes Fesler "single wing" offense built around Heisman Trophy winner Vic Janowicz to the sluggish "T" formation.. The Buckeyes score 100 less points with the "T" in 1951. Woody's philophsy was that "the pass was a bad thing", and that there were two phases torunnng the ball..."technique and execution". Earle Bruce, a diciple under Woody pretty much followed the same pattern, except he had to incorpoprate the passing skills of Art Schlicter.
Today you have to have the great OL guys to run the ball like those days....the Buckeyes have just not had that talent for a few years...With Meyer it appears we will go from the "concertative" days of Tressel Ball to a wide open spread offense..there is no room in a spread offense for pounding the ball on off-tackle plays.
very good thoughts, Iowa. Coming to a place like Ohio State, Urban just might get his first 1000 yd back. IT definitely wont be as run-centric as in the past, but the speed and tempo of the new offense, the o-linemen and running backs getting shiftier and quicker, and new offensive unpredictability could equate to more frequent break-out runs. Overall MEyer will keep the ground game balanced and rack up plenty of rushing yards, it just might come from more RBs, more positions and more places behind the line. I like the idea of Bri'onte Dunn bruising and cruising for 100 yd in the fourth q alone.
I disagree only with the last sentence about no room in a spread offense for pounding the ball on off-tackle plays. Go and study Oregon Ducks offense. They have two base plays that they must establish every game. That is inside zone read and outside zone read. Their inside zone read is basically pounding the ball inside the tackles. From those two basic formations they run play action pass and power plays between the tackles by pulling a guard. They run the ball between the tackles alot more than you realize. Who woulda thought. I think this new offense is going to be exciting but still the basics will be to run first. Go Bucks!
I like what I hear
Pounding the ball with Brionte: I'm calling it "One and Dunn."
But I also think we have too many horses for one of them to be a featured back. So far, no one's stepped up and proven he's that guy, a worthy heir to Beanie, Eddie, and Archie's legacies at Tailback U. So Urban will use them all until someone does. It'll be the difference between a harness race and the chariot race in Ben-Hur. This offense is going to have a lot of moving parts and we're going to need programs to keep track of everyone. Besides, Braxton will be our leading rusher, just as Tebow was, just as Alex Smith was. He'll also pass for 2500 yards. That'll be 300 ypg TO. Then we'll have 3-4 guys between 400-700 yards rushing, plus 150-300 yards receiving. Add it up and we'll average 500 ypg TO--250 yp and 250 yr. It'll be the best of both worlds.
Once our guys get Urban's offense figured out, that is.
I probably meant buckstopshere..that for Buckeyes, especacily olde Buckeyes like me, to expect the "Woody" type off tackle back to be featured and groomed as in the past, will not happen or be featured under Meyer. We will probably get some of it, but thsoe days are gone. They are gone becasue the whole offense was built around the big back, and moving the ball down the field, even when the opposition knew he was going to carry the ball and could not really stop it.
your right shere. BigJimmie was saying the old traditional style. But I do agree that these spread offenses seem like they are just speed and space, but if you break down the tape, they run inside the tackles just as much as the speed outside the line.
In America - they say most people don't like change. Well true or not true, there comes a time where it has to. Adapt is the key. If most of football is gearing towards the spread so be it. Just look at the history of football and that will tell you everything. Started with dives and off tackle plays, then came the wishbone and option formations. Then the pass started to creap in there. 49ers came up with the west coast offense system. Then it was the 50/50 slit (pro-style offense), now it's looking like we are moving to that spread formation.
I am defense 1st kind of guy, and am not happy the way NFL is catering to these offense, but I still love the sport. 1st it was BB, and the NBA lost me when they stoped playing team and defense basketball. Football is getting there, and so is hockey. I guess offense sells tickets, and it's all about money.
If indeed the power game is to take a backseat it will be a bitter pill, but I'm sure they said the same thing at the advent of the forward pass. Improvise and adapt.
Also I think too much is being made about the lack of a 1000 yd rusher under coach Meyer. I like to think of it as delegation of duties. Share the wealth so to speak.
Something to consider about the spread offense is that its a terrible offense to rely on in cold and wet weather that is typical of the B1G. Its also detrimental to the defense to practice against it everyday and then have to face powerful pro style offenses on Saturday. Im not saying it cant be done but its undeniable that most great spread offenses have horrible defenses and this is not a coincidence. Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Houston etc. This will be very interesting to watch and see how it plays out.
Is that so? Ask our world beating team of 2006 how that worked out when we faced this exact same offense. Oh and the defense that stuggles against pro style offenses gave up 7 points to our offense on top of that. The same offense that scored 42 on Michigan. You named 4 schools that are not perrenial powers. Oregon is the only one I can think of that runs a spread and defense may be a question mark. But they held their own against Auburn and OSU in their respective Bowl Games.
If you are wanting to reference Michigan's defense under Rich Rod you are forgetting that RR neglected getting talent in the defensive position. He figured he would score more points than anyone else so it didn't matter. Urban has made sure that the defense will be a priority along with bringing in good offensive guys.
Isn't that the truth!
"Buckeye born and bred, a Buckeye 'til I'm dead"
There is no doubt that the spread offense works in good conditions, I never questioned that. The problem as I pointed out is when its 35 degrees out and wet or windy it can be challenging. As for the defense, there is a correlation between practicing against spread offenses and losing a certain physicality thats needed and I could list plenty of examples of high powered spread offenses with poor defenses. There may be an exception to that rule but there are not many.
Tell me who these perennial powers are that run a spread that have not had defensive problems then!
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