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as we approach national signing day, i can't help but wonder what this year's recruiting class might look like under tressel instead of meyer. it's a "what if" topic that is purely speculation but i'd have to believe it would be 75-80% ohio guys, like--
butt instead of baugh.
gedeon or shane jones instead of johnson.
mccray instead of mitchell.
trubisky instead of barrett.
peterson instead of hill.
love instead of lewis.
gibson instead of jacobs.
matuska instead of bosa.
and instead of gardner, a bunch of 3-star linemen like sean welsh, alex gall, kyle meadows.
and that would still probably be a top 10 class that would win big 10 championships but probably wouldn't compete for national championships. i hate to see in-state kids leave, especially to play for other big 10 schools but in almost every case, i believe the kid we're getting is better than the kid we lost.
Every coach in the midwest would love to coach a team with those players on it. And they most all think, "gee, some years we may be good enough to win it all!" What makes Meyer different is he will work to be a serious competitor every year. If that can be done with Ohio kids...great; Midwest kids...fine; but most of the time it requires talent found across the country.
wrote in some stuff. not really sure what your point is. the guys that didnt get offers werent ohio state worthy no matter who the coach was outside of the debacle of luke fickel year
with tressel id say tribusky would have been offered, not like that would have been a bad thing though
re-read your post, i totally misunderstood your point. my bad
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by great2belucky 18 months ago
you have to start with separating tressel's recruiting strategy from urban's, so while it's true a number of these guys didn't get offers from urban, they likely would have from tressel.
mccray...legacy...old man was a captain...would've been offered sooner than later. butt and matuska...local kids...don't see them getting away. any/all off the out of state kids who were recruited by herman, withers, zach smith, warinner or any coach urban brought in...more than likely not even offered by tressel. bosa probably would have gotten an offer but likely would've gone to florida or alabama.
I would also say that Dymonte Thomas would be part of this class. Also, the part about three star lineman is funny because Meyer and staff are currently trying to get a couple three star lineman to flip from mediocre programs.
and what is further funny about that 3* OL post is he must not remember the "Brew Crew" who were all 4/5* top rated recruits - but hey...what do i know
One key difference IMHO would be at LBer. I don't think we would've pursued as many top-notch LBers and the reason is because I don't think that our LBers would've been as anemic under Tressel as they've been under both Fickell and Meyer.
The only thing I can go on is the fact that during his tenure our LBers NEVER had back to back seasons in which they couldn't tackle. I don't know why but they just didn't. It was as if Tressel was coaching the defense as well. Our defense under Tressel seldom if ever gave up one hundred yards to a single rusher.
That being said, I think he would've seriously pursued Jaylon Smith. I think he would've made him a near top priority. I also think that he wouldn't have given up on Anzalone as easily either.
Ezekiel Elliot would've never been in play in my opinion and neither would Michael Hill or Gareon Conley. Conley would've been a Wolverine plain and simple. But I also think that we would've pursued scUM verbal Derrick Green. Tressel would've made him a priority as well. We would've landed all of the usual Glenville group who've committed this time around and most of the top Ohio recruits in general.
The key difference in recruiting between Tressel and Meyer is that Tressel would've made sure he landed just about every top Ohio recruit possible. Meyer wants to do the same but what he also does is seek to land some of the other top regional recruits as well, i.e. Schutt and Perkins from last year. Under Tressel those recruits would've gone to either ND, Michigan, Illinois or Penn State. Same with an Ezekiel Elliott. If he didn't go to Mizzou and perhaps if Zook were still coaching at the Illini, he would've landed the star tailback.
It's possible that J.T. Barrett would've been in play simply because Tressel had a preference for dual threat QBs as Meyer does. The would-be Oregon commits wouldn't have been considered.
While the whole topic is moot, I get it. It's an interesting discourse between what is and what might've been. Had Tressel not resigned, Kalis would have been wearing S&G. Maybe Strobel, Gant, Jarrod Wilson, Bolden and a few others from last year's class. I agree Elliott probably wouldn't have been but Green and Jaylon Smith might have been. Instead of Barrett, it would have been Trubisky or Chapman or Zaire, who are all homegrown, mobile dual threat QBs.
There probably would have only been a core 10 or so--Burrows, Marshall, Apple, Sprinkle, Price, Munger, Lee, Conley, Lisle, and Worley, maybe Bosa--who would've been in both guys' classes. The other 13-15 or so would probably look very, very different than the class Urban's put together.
Most funny was that Brewster had said that he went to Florida on a visit, then coached by Urban, and none of the coaches even spoke to him....
"Any board that would ban 3yds is worthless"
Bottom line - we still beat Michigan!
"Well golly gee, why would I recruit 5*s in TX when I can recruit 3*s in OH?"- JT. I'm sure those words came out of his mouth at some point.
I noticed that Durham Smythe, 4-star TE from Texas they were hoping to get, picked Notre Dame over Michigan and Stanford today.
Can we assume they're done?
C'mon now god, where was Shugarts from?
I assume that's a rhetorical question since god knows all. Or so they tell me.
That's 1 top recruit in 10 years 3YD. Urban could top that in his first full class if Wilson comes aboard. JT simply didn't try in TX, or most of the rest of the country for that matter. FL was the only state he seemed to try in besides OH. The only other one I remeber from TX was Youboty, who wasn't that highly regarded.
Youboty was a 4-star on Rivals. Then there's Kenny Guiton. And Anthony Schlegel grew up in Dallas but obviously transferred from Air Force.
But otherwise, your point is valid--if Urban reels in Wilson, he'll have gotten as many recruits from Texas in one class as Tressel got in 10.
JT was doing a darn good job in Pennsylvania....Foster, Johnson, Anzalone, Williams, Kugler....May well all have been in this class.
Alright. Alright. Just my natural defense of Tress kickin in!
Great days ahead!
That's true. JT was making inroads into PA in the last half of his tenure. That was due to JoePa no longer recruiting though, so I take it with some salt.
There are 3 things that people seem to forget about local/Ohio kids.
1. You won't have homesick issues like we did with O'Connor
2. These kids understand The Game and everything it means. Urban will do good against them, but I seriously doubt he goes 9-1.
3. Taking the Ohio kids makes it harder for 2nd tier Big teams to get good recruits. A 3* with multiple offers from Ohio would go to a Purdue/Illinois type, but a 3* from California would be much more hesitant. This makes these 2nd tier teams weaker, and less likely they will upset us.
I will admit though that #2 and #3 simply make us better in comparison to the BIG, but doesn't help the conference as a whole.
Yea, we hear that a lot when talking about JT's success on the field too. Big Ten was down. Michigan was down. Most of those bowl wins were against over-rated teams, like Arkansas and Oregon. JT was the luckiest coach OSU ever had, eh?
We would of basically had Michigan's recruiting class, nothing to be ashamed of, a top 5 class, just a whole different style.
And he didn't go to UT when they were still "The Shit." Was that the red flag we all should have seen, or was it just another one of Jim Bollman's atrocities at failure?
Where's Guiton from ?
We're not getting Wilson.
Just be prepared for that.
Wilson will go to Oregon and Elliot will be a Buckeye.
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