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Trust me, I am more than prepared for that.
I was speaking hypothetically, not factually, i.e., using of the word "if" as if "IF Urban reels in Wilson..." An example of me speaking factually would have been noting a lot earlier than you did that Guiton was from Texas and thus, were Urban to somehow sign Wilson, together with Barrett and Shugarts (but excluding Schlegel, who was from Houston but also a transfer from Air Force), he would have matched in just one class as many Texans as Tressel signed in 10 years.
If you've read any of my other posts, I've predicted that we won't get Wilson, not Carrington, Hunt, Elder or Bell. I've also stated that I hope our pursuit of Wilson doesn't cost us Elliott. So I hope we're both right.
The two that I want most to finish out this class are Elliot and Clark.
Would be nice to end up landing both.
i personally think we finish with elliot staying put with the buckeyes and i think wilson flips. i honestly can see us not landing either of them. i think clark ends up at florida, we were just a little too late to the party with him
Of the 3 believe it or not the one I think we need the most is Elliot.
Now he could be a bust as highly touted recruits can be....but I don't think so.
He's big, strong and very fast for his size. He's got a great frame to work with. He runs upright with vision and quickness and watching his film I'm reminded of T.J. Yeldon. His hip movement and balance is great and he moves very loose and fluid.
We all thought Jamaal Berry was going to be a red hot superstar....and maybe he could have been had things worked out differently for him. You get yourself in the dog house under Tressel's watch it's hard to get out of it if you don't change your ways. Look at Ray Small....
Digressing.....Berry ran with quickness and vision but he didn't run upright like Elliot does...he ran low to the ground....which is often why we saw him stumble at times and never seem to break very long runs.
Elliot's film is amazing and again...not wanting to get ahead of myself....as we'll see how well it translates to this level...but if he runs like this in college then he's going to be the best RB in our current stable.
On the other side of that G2B I'd rather have Clark than Wilson.
I just think Wilson is too small and not fast enough for his size. Elliot has almost 25 lbs. on him and runs much faster.
Clark on the other hand....well I think hands down is a potential freak in the making at WR and special teams.
This post was edited by Bearbuck 15 months ago
personally if we just finish this class keeping eze im cool with that. i agree i think he will be really good at the college level. im personally under the belief and have always been this way that there has never been a single recruit who makes or breaks a class/team. will eze be great for us if he chooses to be a buckeye, i think so. if he goes elsewhere do i think that hurts our chances at a national title within the next 4 years? not even close in my opinion. running back is literally the one position that we are ridiculousy deep and talent at.
You are kidding right? He was a last second desperation offer, and the only other school pursuing him was like Prairie View IIRC.
yes .....I was kidding. Did you not see my very next post?!
I would say he was. He reigned over a bad conference for 10 years.
JoePa had entered his golden years by the time Tress got here, and he pretty much stopped recruiting. This resulted in PSU being much weaker than they had been in the '90's. They had exactly 3 outstanding teams in the 2000's, '05, '08, & '09. We also had great teams those years, yet we only beat them once when the talent was roughly equal. They weren't that good the rest of the time. Joe's failure to recruit PA also opened the door wide for JT to cherrypick that state, yet other than '04, when he got 4 players, the rest of the decade saw him mostly ignore the Keystone State. Yes, he got TP and Bell, as well as the Corey's, but it seemed like we should've done more damage in that talent rich state.
scUm was hardly the program in the '00's that they had been the previous 3 decades. They finished in the top ten 3 times in the JT era; '02, '03, and '06. We were 2-1 against them those years. They didn't win a single BCS game during this decade. I will always give JT credit for dominating scUM, but other than '06, they didn't have a truly great team, and USC destroyed them in the Rose Bowl when we only beat them by 3.
C) Wiscy finished in the top ten twice. '06 & '10. We didn't play them in '06, and lost in '10. Despite Wiscy's rep as a B1G power, Wiscy finished between 15-25 in the final polls for most of the decade. Solid, but not great.
D) Iowa had a nice run from '02-04. We were 1-1 against them in those years. The rest of the decade, they weren't that good.
E) The rest of the conference straight up sucked for the decade. MSU never finished in the top 14, Illinois best finish was #12 in 2001, and no one else in the conf threatened the top 15. In fact, in '05 & '07, no one other than tOSU finished in the top 10. That's a bad conference.
JT had the good fortune of competing against a mostly bad conference. Much like Bowden did at FSU in the '90's, or Pete Carroll at USC, JT was a lucky man.
This post was edited by ghBuck23 15 months ago
Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...
I agree. Tressel, Bowden, and Pete Carroll were all lucky coaches.
I've been around since Woody and the Big Ten's "Big Two and Little Eight." I've watched the Bruce years and the Cooper years. Could someone tell me just what group of years the Big Ten was dominating college football before JT?
so when urban meyer dominates a weak big ten for a decade will these same clowns make the excuse that he wasnt that good? urbans first season may have been the worst the big ten has ever been. guess what though? i dont care. win games and championships that's all that matters, and that expectation is due to our former coach (tressel) whether some of these people want to believe it or not
Interesting you say all of this and yet ole' grandpa Joe was able to beat the previous NC LSU when we couldn't get it done....
And ole' down trodden scUM as you claim coached by Carr was able to beat the previous NC Florida when we couldn't get it done...
Oh and I forgot.....Kirk Ferentz and Iowa were able to beat South Carolina when we couldn't get it done.
But we could beat both of those teams on a regular basis so according to that....they sucked and were down and that's the only reason for the 10 years of great Buckeye football....yeah...it was all just luck!!
No conference....not even the SEC....should have more than 2-3 teams ranked in the top 10!!
Realistically the pre-season rankings always set the tone for the regular season rankings....and when a single conference starts the season with 4+ teams in the top 10....it sure as hell is going to bode well for them in the regular season rankings as well.
More accurately the Pac, B1G, SEC, Big 12 ACC should all have teams spread throughout the top 25....I'd say 4 teams would probably deserve that ranking with the SEC and maybe Big 12 have a 5th team in there from time to time...and the rest should be filled in by MAC, MW, Big East....etc should fill out the the rest of the top 30.
But the top 15 ...should start the season off a lot more realistically than it has the past 5 years.....it's been an insult to intelligence.
Exactly Jimmy....they weren't!!
No...what they'll do is that if he loses a few games then they'll start saying how the B1G is a stronger and better conference.....go figure! They are just haters....
Oh, come on, Jimmy! Can't you be serious just for once? The Big 10 was a juggernaut...
...in the late 1930s and early '40s. Jay Berwanger won the very first Heisman for conference stalwart the University of Chicago, Nile Kinnick won it for Iowa in 1939, Tom Harmon for Michigan in 1940, and Bruce Smith for Minnesota in 1941. Meanwhile, Michigan (1932-33) and Minnesota (1934-36, 1940-41) and OSU (1942) were racking up NC after NC.
And it's been all downhill since then.
As long as Alabama keeps a stranglehold on the national title, even the rest of the SEC's irrelevant. Everyone else is fighting for #2, which is just another name for the first loser.
Good sense of humor too!
So you're saying the conference was good in JT's decade? Don't confuse your hero worship for him with objectivity. The conference was bad, and he happened to have a talent edge, as OSU will usually have.
How Urban fares against a weak B1G will not be his litmus test. It will be how he does aginst top teams in bowl games, or OOC. That was what made Bowden and Carroll great. The fact that they rolled bad teams in their conferences didn't get them respect. It doesn't look like our OOC schedule is very tough the next few years, so the only real challenge he'll have appears to be in bowl games. It's always possible someone in the conference gets better in the next few years, and scUM is setting themselves to be a top 10 team for the forseeable future, but if Urban gets blown out in the next 2 NC games, like a certain coach we had, he'll lose a lot of respect.
The conference has never been a dominating conference!!
Hello...since when has the B1G Ten dominated college football?!!
"How Urban fares against a weak B1G will not be his litmus test. It will be how he does aginst top teams in bowl games, or OOC. That was what made Bowden and Carroll great."
Well well well...another one of your points that doesn't support your opinion. Jim Tressel went 6-4 in bowl games and of those 10 total bowl games.....8 of them were BCS games. 8! He went 5-3 in those BCS bowl games......not sure if you know what that means...but it means he won more than he lost. 3 of those 8 BCS games were NC games in which he was 1-2. So in essence.....He won a national championship and lost to the national champion twice!! Big deal...you can't win all of them!! It's damn hard just getting there in the 1st place...but guys like you don't understand that do you? No...I highly doubt you do.
Whether the conference is good or bad is irrelevant. You still have to play the hand your dealt. You still have to win the games you play. It could be argued that Meyer won a consistently bad SEC east division......but that was not anything he could be in control of...he still had to win it.
This isn't about hero worship.
This is about respecting accomplishments. It's not about making up excuses as to how or why he failed or how or why he succeeded.
In this case...Tressel was a huge success to such an extent which we've never seen here at tOSU. Good or bad...like it or not....he set the bar so high it will be damn hard for anyone to duplicate and I sure as hell hope we have Meyer here long enough to do just that!!
Meyer is going to lose a few games along the way...it's a mathematical certainty. Smart people won't lose respect for a man who has obtained great accomplishments by working very hard to achieve them......it's a game and there's always going to be one team that wins and one team that loses.
It's the journey along the way that matters the most and is the most important. That's what great coaches understand...and that's what great coaches teach their players.
Edit: Tressel was 5-3 in BCS bowls.
And on the flip side of your coin......
Don't confuse your disdain and dislike with objectivity. If you can't stand Jim Tressel you won't get an argument from me.....but don't let that cloud being objective to the fact that what he accomplished while he was here was truly amazing.
Well said, Bear.
if their poster name is "godshatesusall" why even try to argue with the guy.. he is obviously a sad person.
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