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Nasty, I am completely against all this progressive sociery shit but it aint gonna stop it crom happening ... Football will be a niche sport or dead within 20 yrs
Yea I hear ya. That's a fear that many have and there maybe something to it.
I am okay with the progressive stuff, but only to a point.
When little boys can't play football or any other sports at recess in elementary schools because the women won't let them be physical, then I am against it.When the cub/ boys scouts are being pressured to allow lesbian mom's serve as den mothers, I am against it. When women are on the sideline at football games commenting on who's playing the 3 technique, I am against it.
I am sick of females trying to be football coaches on male teams and a lot of the "touchy feely shit" in areas of our lives that USED to be a man's domain.
Men need to stand up and start saying no to this shit.
Men need to be men and run their households, and stop pandering to broads as
this simply drives me over the top!Okay, I am REALLY done venting now. And again, I ain't mad. I AM NASTY!!!
GO BUCKS!!
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Neptune said...
Yeah, yeah lions.
Let's feed 'em the occupy protestors
Yes, you do got to love the Romans. Those ass holes were bad ass!!
I would vote that we feed the scUMmmers to the Lions. Now, I'd watch that for a dollar!!
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BuckNasty_MD said...
Gladwell is an ass at best!
Hell Hitler and Pol Pot were thinkers too, but we ain't listening to those pricks are we?
As long as the money floweth, no one will pay one ounce of attention to this limp wrist, sissy type complaining about this country's greatest sport.
It MUST me a slow period in the world of writing given all the shit that's going on around this world and all this clown can think of is to say "ban college football." Really?
If you banned CFB, dude half the sports in men and women athletics would be canned. The college president's wouldn't be building campus building, college coffers/ endowments would plummet and I bet many schools would be begging from the government for more funding.
Dude is advocating a return to the 1800s and sorry, I ain't interested! I bet most ain't interested as CFB is about business. BIG FRACKIN business. And given these tough times, CFB generates a lot of cash and keeps a ton of schools at or above break even.
So ah, no, ass hole Gladwell. There will be no ban on CFB. Not in this or the next life time!
....ass holes named Malcom Gladwell.
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Na Dude I ain't mad. I am "Nasty", hence the name.
Just tired of people screwing (or at least trying) with the game dude. That's all.
If Gladwell doesn't like it, then he can walk away and go do/ watch something else.
That's all. We live in the US (not a progressive US) and there are other choices. He should respect our rights to have shit left alone.
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Careful there, brother...that's what people in the South were saying 150 years ago--i.e., just 'cuz it is, that don't make it right.
Whether we like it or not and whether we want to admit it or not, there is a "gladiator" kind of exploitation in sports (gladiators were both slaves and athletes). It's admittedly not a very fair analogy but at the same time lacking anything better, as far as an example of modern indentured servitude goes, kids getting drafted and forced to sign and play for NFL or NBA or NHL or MLB teams that may not be the best fit for them is that not unlike slaves sold on the auction block. While it's true slaves had literally no choices, kids wanting to play professionally still have very few. When was the last time a kid made a free agent-like list of demands prior to the NFL draft? Maybe Eli Manning when he announced back in 2004 he would not sign with the Chargers if they drafted him? And before that John Elway when he insisted he would not sign with the Colts if they drafted him? But at least Manning had Archie's money and Elway had the Yankees to fall back on for a year before re-entering the NFL draft. Both those guys were the #1 overall picks in their respective drafts so they had more negotiating leverage than most college players do.
Malcolm Gladwell's just one voice and he represents a minority opinion but there are many devoted readers of the New Yorker who agree with him. There's nothing wrong with offering another perspective. But exploitation has always existed in sports and it always will. They are today's gladiators. Otherwise, he's an extraordinary writer. Not just The Tipping Point but also Outliers, which is a very insightful book. If you saw the recent 60 Minutes piece on how parents are "redshirting" kids by holding them back a year from starting kindergarten so they'll be the oldest and biggest kids in their class instead of the youngest and smallest (and not just for sports but overall maturity) and in which he was featured as an expert on the subject, you couldn't help but appreciate the man's intelligence. Read his books and you may find yourself looking at things differently than you always have and that's usually a good thing because it's about overcoming our own intolerances.
Points well taken. However, we should remember that not all issues can be extrapolated, so in this case in point and purely on the topic of football alone, its okay to advocate that shit get left alone.
The issue of football is nowhere near the degree of importance as slavery or other much larger/ important topics. What Gladwell is overlooking is the fact that players WANT to play and "opt-in", so he can save us all the analysis and arguments of the existence of a disadvantaged underclass due to the state of football. I don't buy it.
If players don't like the obvious, which is that injuries WILL occur, then they can simply walk away. Go find something else to do. No one is forcing these guys to strap it on and get after it.
Players have to accept responsibility for themselves. Plain and simple.
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iowabuckeyes said...
Careful there, brother...that's what people in the South were saying 150 years ago--i.e., just 'cuz it is, that don't make it right.
Whether we like it or not and whether we want to admit it or not, there is a "gladiator" kind of exploitation in sports (gladiators were both slaves and athletes). It's admittedly not a very fair analogy but at the same time lacking anything better, as far as an example of modern indentured servitude goes, kids getting drafted and forced to sign and play for NFL or NBA or NHL or MLB teams that may not be the best fit for them is that not unlike slaves sold on the auction block. While it's true slaves had literally no choices, kids wanting to play professionally still have very few. When was the last time a kid made a free agent-like list of demands prior to the NFL draft? Maybe Eli Manning when he announced back in 2004 he would not sign with the Chargers if they drafted him? And before that John Elway when he insisted he would not sign with the Colts if they drafted him? But at least Manning had Archie's money and Elway had the Yankees to fall back on for a year before re-entering the NFL draft. Both those guys were the #1 overall picks in their respective drafts so they had more negotiating leverage than most college players do.
Malcolm Gladwell's just one voice and he represents a minority opinion but there are many devoted readers of the New Yorker who agree with him. There's nothing wrong with offering another perspective. But exploitation has always existed in sports and it always will. They are today's gladiators. Otherwise, he's an extraordinary writer. Not just The Tipping Point but also Outliers, which is a very insightful book. If you saw the recent 60 Minutes piece on how parents are "redshirting" kids by holding them back a year from starting kindergarten so they'll be the oldest and biggest kids in their class instead of the youngest and smallest (and not just for sports but overall maturity) and in which he was featured as an expert on the subject, you couldn't help but appreciate the man's intelligence. Read his books and you may find yourself looking at things differently than you always have and that's usually a good thing because it's about overcoming our own intolerances.
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BuckNasty_MD said...
Points well taken. However, we should remember that not all issues can be extrapolated, so in this case in point and purely on the topic of football alone, its okay to advocate that shit get left alone.
The issue of football is nowhere near the degree of importance as slavery or other much larger/ important topics. What Gladwell is overlooking is the fact that players WANT to play and "opt-in", so he can save us all the analysis and arguments of the existence of a disadvantaged underclass due to the state of football. I don't buy it.
If players don't like the obvious, which is that injuries WILL occur, then they can simply walk away. Go find something else to do. No one is forcing these guys to strap it on and get after it.
Players have to accept responsibility for themselves. Plain and simple.
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iowabuckeyes said...
Except it's not that simple. Barry Sanders walked away and he was called a pussy.Charlie Ward won the Heisman and chose the NBA and was called a pussy. Ever watched North Dallas Forty? The scene where Nick Nolte's character takes out the LB and the RB who shot up his knee with cortisone because he was afraid of losing his job if he didn't play hurt? If you haven't, see the attached link. And before anyone dismisses that scene as pure Hollywood, don't forget that the semi-autographical book the movie was based on was written by Peter Gent, who played for the Cowboys and just died last year.
Dave Duerson took his own life and brain damage was attributed as the primary cause. It's been proven that the lifespan of NFL players is shorter than the mainstream population. There are 40 year old men walking on 80 year old knees. The lure of fame and fortune that comes with professional sports is as undeniable and irresistible and potentially life threatening to young men as whiskey is to an alcoholic. You cannot expect a kid who thinks he'll live forever to think that far ahead.
Hindsight is 20/20--50/50 with inflation--and assuming they still have their senses, I'd be willing to bet that more than a few guys who played professional football would wish they'd never picked up a football.
Football will never be outlawed (although Teddy Roosevelt tried 100 years ago) but it can always be made safer for those who play it.
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Careful there, brother...that's what people in the South were saying 150 years ago--i.e., just 'cuz it is, that don't make it right.
Whether we like it or not and whether we want to admit it or not, there is a "gladiator" kind of exploitation in sports (gladiators were both slaves and athletes). It's admittedly not a very fair analogy but at the same time lacking anything better, as far as an example of modern indentured servitude goes, kids getting drafted and forced to sign and play for NFL or NBA or NHL or MLB teams that may not be the best fit for them is that not unlike slaves sold on the auction block. While it's true slaves had literally no choices, kids wanting to play professionally still have very few. When was the last time a kid made a free agent-like list of demands prior to the NFL draft? Maybe Eli Manning when he announced back in 2004 he would not sign with the Chargers if they drafted him? And before that John Elway when he insisted he would not sign with the Colts if they drafted him? But at least Manning had Archie's money and Elway had the Yankees to fall back on for a year before re-entering the NFL draft. Both those guys were the #1 overall picks in their respective drafts so they had more negotiating leverage than most college players do.
Malcolm Gladwell's just one voice and he represents a minority opinion but there are many devoted readers of the New Yorker who agree with him. There's nothing wrong with offering another perspective. But exploitation has always existed in sports and it always will. They are today's gladiators. Otherwise, he's an extraordinary writer. Not just The Tipping Point but also Outliers, which is a very insightful book. If you saw the recent 60 Minutes piece on how parents are "redshirting" kids by holding them back a year from starting kindergarten so they'll be the oldest and biggest kids in their class instead of the youngest and smallest (and not just for sports but overall maturity) and in which he was featured as an expert on the subject, you couldn't help but appreciate the man's intelligence. Read his books and you may find yourself looking at things differently than you always have and that's usually a good thing because it's about overcoming our own intolerances.
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