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First, I don't know who is banking on anything. We are discussing the scholarship situation and what may or may not happen. And like you state, transfers may happen.

Second, I would think Meyer and the staff has a better idea of who may or may not transfer, so they have a much better idea of available scholarships than we do. So the moves they are making with the needs we still have must be trusted at this point.

Personally I'm banking on it!

Yes we can. Sometimes it isn't about a player transferring out. Sometimes it's about a player beating up his baby's momma and getting kicked off the team....or another who refuses to stop smoking the hippie lettuce and HE gets kicked off the team....or another kid who decides to shoot a pellet gun out of the window of a car in which he is a passenger in and then subsequently gets kicked off the team or another kid who thinks a 0.0 GPA is on the right track towards graduating "with honors."

And who can forget guys leaving early to enter the draft. I promise we will have at least 1-2 two of those as well.

It would be irresponsible for anyone to think there WON'T 18-19-20 spots for the 2013 class.

What should the coaches do, stop recruiting because there aren't any spots available now? Coaches who do that find themselves commenting on message boards about coaches and fans who shouldn't get ahead of themselves because nobody is going to transfer, flunk out or get kicked off the team.

It always happens. This year isn't any different.

I was saying this sounds like something we would have said about Bama's coaches 3 months ago

Ok, those are all things that happened with dumbasses that thought they were above the law and Reggie Germany doesn't come everyday. The one thing that may get some of some people kicked off the team is the weed.

I never said those thing are going to happen, I was just saying we shouldn't bank on it like 6 people are bound to fail, transfer or get kicked off the team, especially the latter because their actions may end up hurting us in the long run.

that's find and dandy and all and sounds like a really classy high class situation. tell me the last coach though in college that kept a job due to having "high qulaity kids who pass all their classes and are great in the community, but cant win football games." coaches get paid and keep their jobs by winning. do i want a team full of tim tebow's, absolutely. im sure urban meyer does as well. but in the end urban will be remembered for winning, not for having a team full of nice guys.

What does go Mike Adams mean?

However with Meyers open competition for every spot all the time kids won't be buried in the depth chart and having to transfer to play.

I agree with the idea that we don't want to go overboard signing new players and then "find a way" to make a spot for them. That's SEC practice and we would be hippocrites to say that we are OK with it now that it works for our team. I personally think Urban will go 2-3 over our expected number, but not any further. With the emphasis he put on not oversigning, I would be shocked to see him do anything like that now. I think we are trying to recruit the best players out there that also have the character necessary to be a part of the team, the school and the community. Part of Urban's experience at Florida was that he didn't understand what comes along with just pulling the highest rated players every year. Some of these kids have been babied and allowed to do whatever they wanted their whole life because they were talented. The effort that he had to put in keeping these kids out of trouble is a major part of what wore him out at Florida. That was never an issue at Utah or BG, and he is trying to make sure it doesn't happen here. There are parts of the SEC that I want Urban to bring to Ohio State, but forced transfers, grey shirts and fake medical hardships are not part of that. We are THE Ohio State University, and I don't want to turn into an SEC football factory.

Yeah I know. Not everyone has a problem with it, but honestly they should. When the player makes a commitment to the school, the school also makes a commitment to the player. This is why schools in the Big Ten are starting to do the 4 year scholarship. These aren't the type of advantages we want. When we start treating our players like expendable resources then we start getting the types of players and problems that the SEC has. I personally don't want to sell the our soul for National Championships. It can be done the right way and I think Urban will show that. You have already heard recruits say that one of Urban's major selling points for Ohio State was that it was like one big family. You don't ship members of your family out of town because someone else has a faster 40 time. If he starts doing that he will look like he's completely full of shit and it will all fall apart.

Players get cut, I understand that. Some players dont want to put in the time in practice, the weight room or in the classroom, and those players deserve to get cut. But we all know that's not the extent of what goes on at schools like Alabama, LSU and Georgia. But the idea of the 4 year scholarship is that if the player lives up to their end of the bargain, then they won't be shipped out simply to clear a scholarship for a high school player. Trust me, I want to win NC's just as much as anyone else, I'm diehard Buckeye, but talking about which players we can usher out to clear scholarships for some high school kid makes me sick. I expect more out of our fans I guess. Part of the reason why so many people loved Tressel was that he wanted to do it the right way. To make his players better men while still winning games. It didn't feel like that when Cooper was here. Now he might have lost sight of that somewhat towards the end, but who could say no to Pryor? I don't want to become an SEC school, and there's no reason we have to. Urban can bring qualities from the SEC that made them more competitive without turning Ohio State into a "football above all else" institution. Recruit the best players you can, coach them up, teach them how to be better people and go out and win games. We don't need those stupid small advantages that come with treating your players like that.

You do. It's just saying that you won't be treated as if you are in an imaginary competition against the potential of a high school kid. It's just sad to see how some fans have gone from "the SEC is cheating!" to "who on the roster can we get rid of" in just a few months. Might as well lose that thinking because that's not how our coaching staff is doing things anyway.

ive never once said the sec is cheating ever so that argument means absolutely nothing to me. they have a distinct advantage over the big ten teams but they arent breaking rules with those advantages. i also never once said we should cut players. i said i think you should have to earn your scholarship ever year is all. never said you have to be a starter to earn it.