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Making a Case for Chucky as HC

  • There’s a lot of love going around for Urban Meyer and I get it. I get a “Woody” thinking about it, too. He grew up in Ohio, played for UC, coached at OSU, even got his master’s at OSU, so he’s an alum. But Urban’s “retired” twice already due to (allegedly) “health and family” reasons. His daughters play college volleyball, which is a winter sport, at Georgia Tech and Florida Gulf Coast College. If he wants to spend more time with his family, as he’s twice claimed, coaching football at Ohio State becomes antithetical to accomplishing that. He might also lose a lot of credibility with recruits and their parents who would be understandably wary he might do it again. As the saying goes, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me…but how does it go when it happens a third time? For the sake of his health, his family and his reputation, I just don’t see it happening.

    So that moves us onto my personal #1 choice, Jon Gruden. Much ado has been made about him winning a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's players. But Tressel won a national championship with mainly Cooper's players, Meyer with Ron Zook’s players, Larry Coker with Butch Davis’ players, Bob Stoops with John Blake’s players, etc., etc. etc. So let's be fair. That kind of petty, penny ante nit-picking can go on forever.

    Let’s start by going back to 2002: Bill Parcells was rumored to have agreed to be Tampa Bay's HC but after a long, drawn out, drama-filled courtship, he backed out over concerns the team's salary cap would keep the team from keeping and signing future free agents. The Parcells disaster caused TB management a great deal of embarrassment and they still needed a coach. They went after Gruden, who had worn out his welcome with Oakland’s mercurial owner Al Davis but still had one more year on his contract. The Bucs wanted Gruden more than Davis needed to give him up. In order to get Gruden, TB gave Oakland its 1st and 2nd round picks in the upcoming 2002 draft, its 2003 1st round pick and its 2004 2nd round pick plus $8 million in cash, young talent and money that Gruden didn't have access to in order to bring in his own players. So he came onboard under very difficult circumstances. The salary cap issue that Parcells feared reared its ugly head in subsequent years and the quality of talent in TB steadily declined; ironically, this was indirectly Gruden’s fault because TB gave up so much to get him in first place. After winning the Super Bowl, Gruden publicly thanked Dungy for assembling the roster he had taken over, especially the defense. That tells me he's gracious and fair; it also gives me hope he would recognize and appreciate the difficult circumstances Luke Fickell has had to deal with having had to weather similar storms and controversy himself and thus might be willing to keep Fick on as DC.

    By Gruden's own admission, he is not a defensive-minded coach. That’s OK: we have a proven defensive staff already in place. Gruden played QB in college (first at Muskingum and then Dayton, where he played for the legendary Mike Kelly, who was 246–54–1 in 27 seasons) and as an assistant, he has only coached offense. His coaching tree is without peer: he played for Kelly at UD; offensive GA for OC Walt Harris and HC Johnny Majors at Tennessee; WR coach for Harris when he became the HC at Pacific; offensive QC coach for Mike Holmgren at SF and WR coach for Holmgren at Green Bay; WR coach for Paul Hackett at Pitt; OC for Ray Rhodes at Philadelphia; HC at Oakland and Tampa Bay. He was 16-16 at Oakland his first two seasons, 24-12 after that. In 2000 and 2001, the Raiders lost in the playoffs to the eventual SB champions. The Steelers’ Mike Tomlin and Buccaneers’ Raheem Morris both coached under him at Tampa Bay. His brother, Jay, was an assistant under Jon at TB from 2002-2008 and is currently the OC for the Bengals.

    It’s been suggested Gruden doesn’t want to coach until after his son, Deuce, who is a senior QB for a private HS in Florida, graduates. If those rumors are true, that means his mind might be open to coaching again next year. Yes, he was an NFL coach from 1990-2008 but he has coached college. He’s got the kind of pedigree recruits are going to love. And the energy to inspire staff, players, fans and recruits and their parents. He’s already a household name in FLA but imagine dropping Tomlin’s name with prospects in western PA.

    So here’s where I am: Luke Fickell has not succeeded. Yes, he was dealt a tough hand but he took it. No one put a gun to his head. But he was a good and loyal soldier who stepped up when his alma mater and employer needed him in a moment of crisis and while he isn’t likely to be rewarded for not succeeding even though the deck was stacked against him, I also hope that he won’t be penalized for it, either. So whoever Smith hires as the new HC will need a DC. Why not Luke, who knows the school, the players and has proven his loyalty? If Luke looks at his options, the best he can hope for is DC somewhere else, which is a lateral move at best, or as a position coach, which is a step down.

    True, Gruden’s not an OSU grad and never coached there and has no direct ties to the school. So what? Neither did Nick Saban play or coach at Michigan State, LSU or Alabama or Urban Meyer at Florida or Les Miles at LSU or Bob Stoops at Oklahoma—all four of them Ohio boys, BW—prior to becoming the head coaches at those schools. If that’s what it takes, why didn’t Saban jump all over the job at his alma mater, Kent State, instead of only giving the Flashes a share of the gate for being the Tide’s whipping boys in the first game of the season, or why didn’t Miles take the Michigan (both times)?

    More than likely, Ohio State’s got feelers out, stuff being discussed off the record. OSU doesn’t want to be embarrassed and neither do these coaches. I could see Earle and Cooper acting as Smith’s covert emissaries, i.e., OSU’s “Deep Throats.”

    In the end, the day after the Michigan game (the outcome irrelevant because what matters is it’s obvious that despite how much we’re all rooting for him, Fickell isn’t the long-term answer), Smith hires Gruden, who hires Walt Harris—who left Columbus at 49 but is now 64 and the OC at California (PA), which is #16 in D-III, and someone Gruden’s likely to trust—as his Director of Football Operations. In corporate parlance, he would be COO to Gruden’s CEO. He was John Cooper’s OC/QB coach from 1995-96 when OSU went 22-3 and won the Rose Bowl against Arizona State. Bobby Hoying and Joe Germaine were his QBs those two seasons. Bill Callahan and Rich Rodriguez pissed off Nebraska and Michigan’s fans because they didn’t understand the traditions and culture. Harris will be familiar with Ohio HS football, knows Columbus and “gets” Ohio State. Mike Vrabel and Luke Fickell were also on the 1995-96 teams, so Harris is familiar with them, too. They will also help Gruden from pulling a DickRod and ticking off the faithful.

    If the Bengals flounder and fire Marvin Lewis after this season, Jay Gruden’s going to be looking for a new job. Regardless, Jon hires Jay as OC, and keeps Fickell as Asst HC/DC. The whole defensive staff stays on, as does Stan Drayton, who walked into a mess but knows Florida and can be Gruden’s running back coach/recruiting coordinator, which is what he was under Meyer. Just imagine the Gruden boys, Harris & Co. burning the midnight oil watching tape and putting together an offensive game plan while down the hall, Fickell, Vrabel, Heacock & Co. are doing the same thing for the defense.

    The only real question—once we get past Gruden’s personal reasons—is can we afford him? Back in 2002, Tampa Bay, in addition to the draft picks and cash they gave to Oakland, gave him a contract worth $17.25 million over five years. That’s the going rate for a proven NFL-caliber coach. It’s also an awful lot of negligees Les Wexner would have to sell (which also gives me a Woody just thinking about it). But just like lingerie, where the more you pay the less you get, hiring Gruden would produce immediate dividends and results. If that’s what it takes, I’m willing to pitch in and buy a few for my wife this Christmas to help Les make ends meet.

    I apologize for the drawn out rationale. Thanks for listening. If you reply, please spare everyone the pain of having to re-read my entire sermon and just copy and paste the parts you want to comment on.

    This post was edited by iowabuckeyes on 10/3/2011 at 2:59 PM

    iowabuckeyes

  • fingergunOH GOD!!!!!!!!! PLEASSSSSSE NO MORE JON GRUDEN BS!!!!
    He WILL NOT be our next coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    DSBUX

  • You get an up vote just for doing the research on all that.

    Trackdad

  • Our fan base is delusional. John Gruden will be our next coach when hell freezes over. He's an NFL guy, not a college football guy, so please stop with Gruden already, it's getting tired

    bucksandsurfing

  • bucksandsurfing said...

    Our fan base is delusional. John Gruden will be our next coach when hell freezes over. He's an NFL guy, not a college football guy, so please stop with Gruden already, it's getting tired

    I've got news for you, Buck Sand Surfing: hell is ALREADY freezing over. That aside, I came here to postulate an idea, not pick a fight. So why don't you flag me so you can avoid anything I have to contribute? Better yet, why not be an informed contrarian and post an opinion that's more articulate and compelling instead of grousing about ideas you don't agree with? I'll respect your opinion. Just respect mine. And if Gruden gets hired, I'll be looking for your post on the "Anyone got an a spare pair of gloves because it's f'ing cold in here" apology board.

    iowabuckeyes

  • bucksandsurfing said...

    Our fan base is delusional. John Gruden will be our next coach when hell freezes over. He's an NFL guy, not a college football guy, so please stop with Gruden already, it's getting tired

    Now I get it. Just read your post on "Urban, we have a problem." You're an Urban Meyer fan. Like I said at the top of my Chucky post, I am too, and then I went on to say why I don't think he'll come to OSU. If I'm wrong, I'll post an apology of the "Man, it's hot as hell in here" board to you.

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Now I get it. Just read your post on "Urban, we have a problem." You're an Urban Meyer fan. Like I said at the top of my Chucky post, I am too, and then I went on to say why I don't think he'll come to OSU. If I'm wrong, I'll post an apology of the "Man, it's hot as hell in here" board to you.

    Real good post. I can feel your enthusiasm. I like gruden and enjoyed the days of Walt Harris with scores of 50+. He is high energy and after this season we are going to really need that. Who would be your second choice for OC. Lastly you know Gruden will want these guys to be AGGRESSIVE / blitizing on defense

    THEnutbuster

  • Iowabuck- I'm a realist, and I think the chances of Gruden being our next HC are slim and none. He's an NFL guy

    Realistically, our next HC will be one of the following:

    Urban Meyer
    Bo Pelini
    Tim Beckman

    bucksandsurfing

  • I asked this in an earlier Gruden thread, what makes anybody think he wants to coach college football? Anything? How about the slightest tidbit...

    IndyDog

  • Why is everyone so in love with Gruden? I live down here in Sarasota, just south of Tampa, and he destroyed the buccaneers. He took Dungy's players and won the SB, then proceeded to take TB back to the yuccaneer days. Make all the excuses you want for him, but I've seen his game day coaching ability, and it's still not good. Fickell has had a much tougher hand dealt him than Gruden ever had, and I still think he'll have a winnig season. What's Gruden's overal record. I don't know, but it can't be much over .500. Tell me something, what's the first thing a new coach always does? Hire his own staff. Fickell didn't have that opportunity, and now we're still dealing with Bollman as OC. I've watched Gruden coach. He's not any good. He's not a head coach. Hire him for OC, but please, not head coach.

    SarasotaBuckeye

  • SarasotaBuckeye said...

    Why is everyone so in love with Gruden? I live down here in Sarasota, just south of Tampa, and he destroyed the buccaneers. He took Dungy's players and won the SB, then proceeded to take TB back to the yuccaneer days. Make all the excuses you want for him, but I've seen his game day coaching ability, and it's still not good. Fickell has had a much tougher hand dealt him than Gruden ever had, and I still think he'll have a winnig season. What's Gruden's overal record. I don't know, but it can't be much over .500. Tell me something, what's the first thing a new coach always does? Hire his own staff. Fickell didn't have that opportunity, and now we're still dealing with Bollman as OC. I've watched Gruden coach. He's not any good. He's not a head coach. Hire him for OC, but please, not head coach.

    Geez...thank you very much. I've always been under the impression that he's abrasive with his players and has alienated quite a few of them. Not the type of personality I'd want around college kids.

    IndyDog

  • This is so unworthy of a reply that I thought I had to reply. Can we get real?

    dealdude100

  • Sigh.

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    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

    grccoins

  • I hope no one truly believes Gene Smith will be deciding on the new coach.

    LeeCaryer

  • drstall said...

    fingergunOH GOD!!!!!!!!! PLEASSSSSSE NO MORE JON GRUDEN BS!!!! He WILL NOT be our next coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why are you so upset about this? Just because it is not a slam dunk doesnt mean you dont pursue it. As you are not the one that is going to hire the next coach, you have as much insight as the rest of us. That of course is none.

    brunsjar

  • How is the HC hired? Is there a special committee, or what? I imagine the President and AD are part of it, along with with appointed memebers, donors, ..?

    ohioplayer

  • ohioplayer said...

    How is the HC hired? Is there a special committee, or what? I imagine the President and AD are part of it, along with with appointed memebers, donors, ..?

    Like every big hire at any university, a committee is assembled to hire the person. Usually an outside consulting firm is hired to provide a list of coaches that might be interested. They are also used to send out unofficial feelers to see if these coaches are interested. A series of interviews are conducted and then the committee decides. Some hiring committees are truly diplomatic and come to a unanimous decision for the hire. Other committees will take the input but ultimately it will lie with one or 2 people. At OSU I assume it will be the later with Smith/Gee giving the ultimate nod. That is of course with the understanding that Wexner and the rest of the major benefactors are okay with the decision.

    brunsjar

  • Gruden is a goofball

    buckeyeinwv

  • brunsjar said...

    Like every big hire at any university, a committee is assembled to hire the person. Usually an outside consulting firm is hired to provide a list of coaches that might be interested. They are also used to send out unofficial feelers to see if these coaches are interested. A series of interviews are conducted and then the committee decides. Some hiring committees are truly diplomatic and come to a unanimous decision for the hire. Other committees will take the input but ultimately it will lie with one or 2 people. At OSU I assume it will be the later with Smith/Gee giving the ultimate nod. That is of course with the understanding that Wexner and the rest of the major benefactors are okay with the decision.

    thanks, brunsjar...appreciate the info...

    ohioplayer

  • Mayer: I'd stand up and cheer his hiring as much as the next guy but I honestly don't see it happening. He just got out of coaching citing health and family reasons...for the second time. Why jump back in after only 1 year out? He's said the only jobs his wife can't veto are ND, Michigan and OSU. He could have had either of the first two if he'd wanted them but passed; that leaves only OSU. Why should we be any different? The only reasons that make any sense to me are because a) OSU would have always been his dream job or b) he sees OSU being in a unique position to be Big 10 football that Memphis is to C-USA basketball--the unquestioned king. The SEC's so tough top to bottom, it's harder to be top dog year in and year out. But he had it pretty good in Gainesville with better weather and a deeper/better pool of recruits in Florida and the South. It's a lot easier to get kids from the north to go south than the other way around.

    Pelini: I'm OK snaking one of Wisconsin's assistant hockey coaches as our head coach but I don't like the idea of purging another B1G 10 school for our football coach. That's a world turned upside down for me. The pecking order works this way: they're supposed to hire our assistants to be their head coaches. And I'm not sure Pelini would go or that Osborne would let him go. He's got it pretty good in Lincoln right now. Unlike Ohio, which has eight FBS schools and lots of divided loyalties, the ENTIRE state of Nebraska worships Husker football and Belini's their head priest. I don't want to get snubbed like Miles did to Michigan twice or Parcells did to Tampa Bay. Hopefully, Smith's doing his due diligence and vetting candidates. But based on his record lately, I'm not holding my breath.

    Beckman: I admit he's intriguing. He's done well at Toledo. Despite the Rockets' 2-3 record, this season so far has been testament to his coaching acumen. He played OSU tough--although that's becoming less impressive the further we get into the season--and had to play #4 Boise State six days after closing a heartbreaker to OSU, and took Syracuse to OT, a game they should have won if they hadn't gotten screwed by the officials, then spanked Temple, which had spanked Maryland, which had spanked Miami (FL), which had spanked... That 2-3 could just as easily be 4-1. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run the tables in the MAC. If he finishes 9-3 overall/7-0 in the MAC, he deserves serious consideration. My main concern is he doesn't have the "brand cache" that the other big-name coaches do for a job this high profile but neither did Tressel so the precedent certainly exists.

    Finally, I appreciate new head coaches generally bring in their own staffs. Most of them bring the staff they had wherever they're coming from because they put together a winning team there. Few new HCs retain coaches from the last HC, usually because they've been fired for losing or their boss was hired by another school and took them with him. That wouldn't necessarily be the case with Gruden, who has been out of coaching for three years now, and most of the coaches he's probably close to are admittedly in the NFL. So he won't be bringing his old staff; he'll need to hire a whole new staff. And this is a Buckeye staff, at least defensively, anyway, that a) has not lost, b) does not deserve to be fired, and c) is as good as Gruden or anyone else we hire is going to find. And that includes Fickell.

    iowabuckeyes

  • I want a guy with a proven college track record, which Gruden does not have, plus he has been out of the game for way too long. Honestly, I would be fine with keeping Fickell, just make it clear he needs to revamp the offensive staff. Its hard to fault LF for this teams crappy offense, since he doesn't coach offense and hasn't had the opportunity to hire his own staff. Give him a four year contract and see what he can do. If a really great candidate wants the job, then sure, maybe OSU should pass on Fickell, but we shouldn't pass on him to hire a Brady Hoke type guy, or Gruden, or Pelini IMO. And I sure hope if Fickell isn't hired that whomever comes in tries to keep him on as DC.

    highlandbuck

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Mayer: I'd stand up and cheer his hiring as much as the next guy but I honestly don't see it happening. He just got out of coaching citing health and family reasons...for the second time. Why jump back in after only 1 year out? He's said the only jobs his wife can't veto are ND, Michigan and OSU. He could have had either of the first two if he'd wanted them but passed; that leaves only OSU. Why should we be any different?

    Pelini: I'm OK snaking one of Wisconsin's assistant hockey coaches as our head coach but I don't like the idea of purging another B1G 10 school for our football coach. That's a world turned upside down for me. The pecking order works this way: they're supposed to hire our assistants to be their head coaches. And I'm not sure Pelini would go or that Osborne would let him go. He's got it pretty good in Lincoln right now. Unlike Ohio, which has eight FBS schools and lots of divided loyalties, the ENTIRE state of Nebraska worships Husker football and Belini's their head priest. I don't want to get snubbed like Miles did to Michigan twice or Parcells did to Tampa Bay. Hopefully, Smith's doing his due diligence and vetting candidates. But based on his record lately, I'm not holding my breath.

    Beckman: I admit he's intriguing. He's done well at Toledo. Despite the Rockets' 2-3 record, this season so far has been testament to his coaching acumen. He played OSU tough--although that's becoming less impressive the further we get into the season--and had to play #4 Boise State six days after closing a heartbreaker to OSU, and took Syracuse to OT, a game they should have won if they hadn't gotten screwed by the officials, then spanked Temple, which had spanked Maryland, which had spanked Miami (FL), which had spanked... That 2-3 could just as easily be 4-1. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run the tables in the MAC. If he finishes 9-3 overall/7-0 in the MAC, he deserves serious consideration. My main concern is he doesn't have the "brand cache" that the other big-name coaches do for a job this high profile but neither did Tressel so the precedent certainly exists.

    Finally, I appreciate new head coaches generally bring in their own staffs. Most of them bring the staff they had wherever they're coming from because they put together a winning team there. Few new HCs retain coaches from the last HC, usually because they've been fired for losing or their boss was hired by another school and took them with him. That wouldn't necessarily be the case with Gruden, who has been out of coaching for three years now, and most of the coaches he's probably close to are admittedly in the NFL. So he won't be bringing his old staff; he'll need to hire a whole new staff. And this is a Buckeye staff, at least defensively, anyway, that a) has not lost, b) does not deserve to be fired, and c) is as good as Gruden or anyone else we hire is going to find. And that includes Fickell.

    A few comments on your post:

    First, I'm glad your talking realistic candidates.

    Meyer- I think we are a little bit different than the others because A) He is a native Ohioan B) He received his masters from Ohio State, and C) He has ties to Ohio State and has a poster of Woody in his office (supposedly). There is no way he feels a connection to Notre Dame and Michigan the way he does with tOSU, IMO. His other two "dream jobs' are locked up for years to come, so if he wants one of his dream jobs, he'd better jump on it right now while the opportunity is present.

    Pelini: I agree with your analysis, but don't get it twisted, Nebraska is not the Ohio State job, and Pelini is an alum, and a former OSU team captain. Also, a thing that makes Nebraska so difficult is that there is no in state recruiting base to draw from, they need to go OOS to get the majority of their recruits. If Pelini is offered the job, he bails at NU in a hurry. Very tempermental, he needs to get that under control, and I have concerns if he is the right fight here.

    Beckman: Has vast experience as an assistant coach, and looks like he is doing well as a head coach. Also has ties to OSU. I think he is a solid candidate and has a real shot at the job. I like the offense he runs at Toledo, and he would usher change to our offense. Beckman has been around Ohio football for a long time, so he's already built in-roads with various Ohio HS coaches, which is a good thing for recruiting.

    Peterson: Even though he is not an Ohioan and has no Ohio ties, should be given a look.

    I honestly think the next coach is on this list. Unless they pull from division 1AA or division 2 or 3, which I'm sure there are candidates out there.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by bucksandsurfing on 10/3/2011 at 8:32 PM

    bucksandsurfing

  • Gruden has been a successful NFL coach and would probably be successful in college too. I just don't think he's looking to come to the college game.

    The thing is we really need someone who yes, is a great coach but inheriting the mess that we are looking at right now he's got to be an even better leader.

    Coach Tressel came out of nowhere to be that guy 10 years ago. Who knows, maybe there is someone else not on everybodys top 5 list that could be the next great coach here.

    That being said I would love to have any of the choices that keep getting brought up - Urban, Gruden, Pelini, the Boise or TCU coach. I haven't heard the Bill Cowher name mentioned much anymore but that would be a huge hire if that could ever happen.

    02Champs

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Mayer: I'd stand up and cheer his hiring as much as the next guy but I honestly don't see it happening. He just got out of coaching citing health and family reasons...for the second time. Why jump back in after only 1 year out? He's said the only jobs his wife can't veto are ND, Michigan and OSU. He could have had either of the first two if he'd wanted them but passed; that leaves only OSU. Why should we be any different? The only reasons that make any sense to me are because a) OSU would have always been his dream job or b) he sees OSU being in a unique position to be Big 10 football that Memphis is to C-USA basketball--the unquestioned king. The SEC's so tough top to bottom, it's harder to be top dog year in and year out. But he had it pretty good in Gainesville with better weather and a deeper/better pool of recruits in Florida and the South. It's a lot easier to get kids from the north to go south than the other way around.

    Pelini: I'm OK snaking one of Wisconsin's assistant hockey coaches as our head coach but I don't like the idea of purging another B1G 10 school for our football coach. That's a world turned upside down for me. The pecking order works this way: they're supposed to hire our assistants to be their head coaches. And I'm not sure Pelini would go or that Osborne would let him go. He's got it pretty good in Lincoln right now. Unlike Ohio, which has eight FBS schools and lots of divided loyalties, the ENTIRE state of Nebraska worships Husker football and Belini's their head priest. I don't want to get snubbed like Miles did to Michigan twice or Parcells did to Tampa Bay. Hopefully, Smith's doing his due diligence and vetting candidates. But based on his record lately, I'm not holding my breath.

    Beckman: I admit he's intriguing. He's done well at Toledo. Despite the Rockets' 2-3 record, this season so far has been testament to his coaching acumen. He played OSU tough--although that's becoming less impressive the further we get into the season--and had to play #4 Boise State six days after closing a heartbreaker to OSU, and took Syracuse to OT, a game they should have won if they hadn't gotten screwed by the officials, then spanked Temple, which had spanked Maryland, which had spanked Miami (FL), which had spanked... That 2-3 could just as easily be 4-1. I wouldn't be surprised to see him run the tables in the MAC. If he finishes 9-3 overall/7-0 in the MAC, he deserves serious consideration. My main concern is he doesn't have the "brand cache" that the other big-name coaches do for a job this high profile but neither did Tressel so the precedent certainly exists.

    Finally, I appreciate new head coaches generally bring in their own staffs. Most of them bring the staff they had wherever they're coming from because they put together a winning team there. Few new HCs retain coaches from the last HC, usually because they've been fired for losing or their boss was hired by another school and took them with him. That wouldn't necessarily be the case with Gruden, who has been out of coaching for three years now, and most of the coaches he's probably close to are admittedly in the NFL. So he won't be bringing his old staff; he'll need to hire a whole new staff. And this is a Buckeye staff, at least defensively, anyway, that a) has not lost, b) does not deserve to be fired, and c) is as good as Gruden or anyone else we hire is going to find. And that includes Fickell.

    I'm leaning more toward Pelini now, and I don't think it's a problem taking him from Nebraska since they just entered the Big Ten this year. I do wonder about his temperament and what the athletes think of him.

    buckeyelouey

  • buckeyelouey said...

    I'm leaning more toward Pelini now, and I don't think it's a problem taking him from Nebraska since they just entered the Big Ten this year. I do wonder about his temperament and what the athletes think of him.

    Not that any of this should really matter given the gravity of the overall situation--and it's all speculation, anyway, so we're just trying to get ourselves through an otherwise gloomy moment, like we're mourners at a wake trying to comfort one another while wondering why the deceased had to die so young and suddenly--but if we hire a defensive-minded coach like Pelini or D'Antonio or Patterson, it's a foregone conclusion Fickell & the D staff are toast, which would be a shame since they're one of the best staffs in the country. They held MSU, which has all B1G 10 caliber talent at QB and WR and tons of talent at RB, to just 10 points and as anemic as our offense is/was, the D kept us in the game. But with a defensive HC, there would be too much duplication of coaching talent on that side of the ball and because it's his forte, the HC will want to have a lot more input than Tressel probably did and maybe even call the shots as his own DC, just as Tressel did on offense. Instead of OSU benefiting from our current defensive brain trust, they'll end up being scattered. I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up at other Big 10 schools, which would suck because then they'd be working against us instead of for us. That's one of the reasons I am pulling for Gruden (and even Meyer). Unlike another coach who's going to bring his staff with him, Gruden can retain a group of proven coaches from one side of the ball who know how to coach defense, the personnel, the program and its traditions, the school, and the administration, crucial resources for someone who would be coming from outside OSU's inner sanctum. When Obama took office, he understandably brought in his own people; that's what happens in a housecleaning. What's interesting, though, is the one key Republican he retained from Bush's cabinet was Robert Gates, Bush's secretary for...wait for it...defense.

    This post was edited by iowabuckeyes on 10/4/2011 at 9:29 AM

    iowabuckeyes