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Meyer's Candidness

  • On Chris “Big Hungry” Carter, a 358-pound redshirt freshman who moved from the offensive line to defensive tackle midway through the spring: “He wasn’t really producing on offense, and he wanted a shot. He did pretty good. Our whole thing with him is conditioning and he’s doing that as we speak. He’s in the conditioning mode. If he can learn to get himself in shape, he’ll play here. If not, no chance.”

    http://toledoblade.typepad.com/dottingtheeyes/2012/05/jim-tressel-was-adept-at-saying-a-lot-without-saying-anything-an-eloquent-speaker-who-could-fill-time-but-not-notebooks-ur.html

    some new mixed in w/some repeats

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    3ydncloudofdust

  • Yep gotta love how direct Meyer is.

    Razorback

  • Awesome

    IndyDog

  • IndyDog said...

    Awesome

    you homers are funny ... you were the same homers who loved Jim Tressel's philosphy of saying nothing, th en love Urban Meyer's philosophy of saying something and would love that Neutre Dame coch yelling at our bucheye players if he was the coch .. ...............................................ON THE OTHER hand soflabuck, isn't that what a fan is supposed to do .. Support the team ... no matter who the coach is .. sorry for my post, please carry on

    soflabuck

  • soflabuck said...

    you homers are funny ... you were the same homers who loved Jim Tressel's philosphy of saying nothing, th en love Urban Meyer's philosophy of saying something and would love that Neutre Dame coch yelling at our bucheye players if he was the coch .. ...............................................ON THE OTHER hand soflabuck, isn't that what a fan is supposed to do .. Support the team ... no matter who the coach is .. sorry for my post, please carry on

    Look here Sofafuk, unless you have something specific you can pin on me regarding my opinion of Jim Tressel's philosophy then you can fuk off and leave me out of your pathetic generalizations.

    IndyDog

  • On the Ohio State receivers: “Probably the most unprepared group I've ever dealt with.”

    "...ever dealt with..." That's a pretty incriminating indictment.

    And now they're being coached by our least experienced assistant, a guy who's 27 and been a full-time position coach for only two years at two non-BCS schools.

    I can only hope and pray Zach Smith is up to the challenge. Based on Urban's remark, we can ill afford a guy who's learning on the job.

    iowabuckeyes

  • IndyDog said...

    Look here Sofafuk, unless you have something specific you can pin on me regarding my opinion of Jim Tressel's philosophy then you can fuk off and leave me out of your pathetic generalizations.

    i thunk you had mi on ignor ?

    soflabuck

  • IndyDog said...

    Look here Sofafuk, unless you have something specific you can pin on me regarding my opinion of Jim Tressel's philosophy then you can fuk off and leave me out of your pathetic generalizations.

    so clefer, i jus got tit .. soflafuk . yur sof unny, mayb chudl will do you on intervie tim too and get +12 upvot

    soflabuck

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    On the Ohio State receivers: “Probably the most unprepared group I've ever dealt with.”

    "...ever dealt with..." That's a pretty incriminating indictment.

    And now they're being coached by our least experienced assistant, a guy who's 27 and been a full-time position coach for only two years at two non-BCS schools.

    I can only hope and pray Zach Smith is up to the challenge. Based on Urban's remark, we can ill afford a guy who's learning on the job.

    The good thing is that Meyer's forte has generally been WRs at numerous stops, so he undoubtedly will be spending most of his time with the WRs & QBs. That is encouraging to me because I've had the same thoughts race through my mind that you just listed.

    Razorback

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    On the Ohio State receivers: “Probably the most unprepared group I've ever dealt with.”

    "...ever dealt with..." That's a pretty incriminating indictment.

    And now they're being coached by our least experienced assistant, a guy who's 27 and been a full-time position coach for only two years at two non-BCS schools.

    I can only hope and pray Zach Smith is up to the challenge. Based on Urban's remark, we can ill afford a guy who's learning on the job.

    Iowa, are you referring to Stan Drayton? shrug

    Yep, definitely harsh and revealing words. Something to keep an eye on as its going to be damn
    interesting to see what's going on.

    I think there's some talent there. It just needs to be developed effectively.

    GO BUCKS!!

    towel

    East Coast Player Known for Knocking Fools Out One At A Time!

    BuckNasty_MD

  • Complete about face at the head coaching position here in just over a year. A complete turnaround.
    You couldn't find two coaches who could be any more different in terms of their methods of recruiting and how they conduct interviews.

    But on a side note, I have long been one of the few here who has continuously emphasized this team's lothargy, lack of leadership, passion and toughness. Few of you here could see it. Either that or you refused to ackowledge the obvious. Tressel believed that you become a team leader based upon seniority which is a highly fallacious concept at best.

    In all honesty the last team leaders we've had on offense were Troy Smith and Kirk Barton. Beanie Wells showed a flash of it in the Oct '08 game at Wisconsin where he challenged Pryor on the scoring drive to become a man.

    Leadership has never been lacking on the defensive side of the ball--some seasons stronger than others but nonetheless there's always been a presence of it here.

    But trust that if Tressel were still here he'd have us all believing that this team is chock full of leadership when we can clearly see that it isn't. It's why some of us referred to the majority here as "Tresselytes" or "Blind Homers." Seeing what you want to see or hope to but not seeing the true reality of things. Meyer's just simply stating the obvious.

    Meyer has said since coming here six months ago that he emulates old-school coaches as opposed to his contemporaries. And it shows. Most of today's coaches are either all about having fun (Pete Carroll), micromanaging (Tressel), talking a good game and bloviating (Bryan Kelley) or pulling tricks and gimmicks out of their ball caps (Les Miles). Meyer however chooses to study the Woody Hayes', Earle Bruce's, Lou Holtz's and Steve Spurriers of the coaching world.

    sugarcrystal

  • Great post, sugar +1

    iowabuckeyes

  • BuckNasty_MD said...

    Iowa, are you referring to Stan Drayton? shrug

    Yep, definitely harsh and revealing words. Something to keep an eye on as its going to be damn interesting to see what's going on.

    I think there's some talent there. It just needs to be developed effectively.

    GO BUCKS!!

    towel

    Zach Smith is our current WR coach. Drayton was the WR coach last year and should be held somewhat accountable for their lack of preparedness and underwhelming performance but his coaching background's always been at RB, so it's no surprise Urban moved him back there when he was hired. Not having Posey and Pryor didn't help with an inexperienced unit but I don't want to make excuses. But it's also why Urban moved Vrabel from LB to DL and Fickell went back coaching to LB. It's also why I didn't care for Sheridan, whose background was coaching LBs, as our CB coach and applauded Coombs, who coached DBs at UC. At this level, I personally prefer coaches who've proven to be successful in their particular areas of expertise.

    Looking forward, my concern is our worst prepared unit is being coached by our least experienced assistant. The blind leading the blind is rarely a great combination.

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Zach Smith is our current WR coach. Drayton was the WR coach last year and should be held somewhat accountable for their lack of preparedness and underwhelming performance but his coaching background's always been at RB, so it's no surprise Urban moved him back there when he was hired. Not having Posey and Pryor didn't help with an inexperienced unit but I don't want to make excuses. But it's also why Urban moved Vrabel from LB to DL and Fickell went back coaching to LB. It's also why I didn't care for Sheridan, whose background was coaching LBs, as our CB coach and applauded Coombs, who coached DBs at UC. At this level, I personally prefer coaches who've proven to be successful in their particular areas of expertise.

    Looking forward, my concern is our worst prepared unit is being coached by our least experienced assistant. The blind leading the blind is rarely a great combination.

    Okay thanks! Dude you've got a ton of valid points here. +1

    Yep, it does give one cause for concern. Nevertheless, Coach Meyer knows what he's doing, so I have to believe
    he's seeing this as you've described. He won't allow this group nor the coach to flounder.

    As this unit will be and should be a huge part of the offense, performance is a must. Heads are gonna roll for Mr. Zack should they not be up to snuff by opening day. He best get his shat and these kids together or I suspect he won't be at tOSU for long.

    GO BUCKS!!

    towel

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    East Coast Player Known for Knocking Fools Out One At A Time!

    BuckNasty_MD

  • BuckNasty_MD said...

    Okay thanks! Dude you've got a ton of valid points here. +1

    Yep, it does give one cause for concern. Nevertheless, Coach Meyer knows what he's doing, so I have to believe he's seeing this as you've described. He won't allow this group nor the coach to flounder.

    As this unit will be and should be a huge part of the offense, performance is a must. Heads are gonna roll for Mr. Zack should they not be up to snuff by opening day. He best get his shat and these kids together or I suspect he won't be at tOSU for long.

    GO BUCKS!!

    towel

    clap

    Except he's a legacy hire--he's Earle Bruce's grandson and Earle is Urban's mentor so those are ties that can't be easily severed. I trust Urban's judgment and Smith coached for him as a student assistant and GA so Urban's obviously familiar with him. I think Zach'll be a good coach--and for all I know and in his defense, maybe he already is--but if he's not, he can't be the Achilles heel on the staff when his unit is. Urban's positions on leadership and competitiveness aren't limited to just the players. If the WRs as a unit are that far behind, they need a steady and experienced hand on the till to get them up to the level of everyone else. This is the unit that Urban keeps saying needs to step up and produce playmakers. I'm not sure I'd want to entrust that responsibility to a 27 year old with two years of full-time coaching experience.

    iowabuckeyes

  • IndyDog said...

    Look here Sofafuk, unless you have something specific you can pin on me regarding my opinion of Jim Tressel's philosophy then you can fuk off and leave me out of your pathetic generalizations.

    Please don't quote "sofafuk" (appropriate) as I am ignoring his stupid azz.

    Thanks.

    3dj

  • 3dj said...

    Please don't quote "sofafuk" (appropriate) as I am ignoring his stupid azz.

    Thanks.

    Oh it hrts so bad u ignoar me maroon. Soflafuk you guys or jenieis ..n

    soflabuck

  • 3ydncloudofdust said...

    On Chris “Big Hungry” Carter, a 358-pound redshirt freshman who moved from the offensive line to defensive tackle midway through the spring: “He wasn’t really producing on offense, and he wanted a shot. He did pretty good. Our whole thing with him is conditioning and he’s doing that as we speak. He’s in the conditioning mode. If he can learn to get himself in shape, he’ll play here. If not, no chance.”

    http://toledoblade.typepad.com/dottingtheeyes/2012/05/jim-tressel-was-adept-at-saying-a-lot-without-saying-anything-an-eloquent-speaker-who-could-fill-time-but-not-notebooks-ur.html

    some new mixed in w/some repeats

    It is so refreshing to have a candid and great coach like Meyer who tells it as he sees it and simply not some politican/coach speaking a bunch of double talk nonsense. Ohio State is going kick some people's head in this season and future seasons to come. Best hire of Gene Smith was getting Urban Meyer! My favorite feeling is going to see OSU kick the crap out of these Big Ten lightweights like Illinois, Indiana and Purdue and all the other teams like MSU, Wisconsin and Michigan!

    buckibball4ever

  • I have to agree the Gullah and Hooked on Ebonics writing from soflabuck is about as asinine and idiotic as Jim Bollman's playcalling. Don't bother posting me, soflabuck, I've ignored your "Simple Jack" and " I am Sam" Dumbass!

    SoflaBuck, Never go full retard!
    What do I mean?
    Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look retarded, act retarded, not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sho'. Not retarded. You know Tom Hanks, 'Forrest Gump.' Slow, yes. Retarded, maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a ping-pong competition. That ain't retarded. Peter Sellers, "Being There." Infantile, yes. Retarded, no. You go full retard with your posts, SoFLABUCK. Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, "I Am Sam." and Sarah Palin Remember? They went full retard, went home empty handed...

    buckibball4ever

  • buckibball4ever said...

    I have to agree the Gullah and Hooked on Ebonics writing from soflabuck is about as asinine and idiotic as Jim Bollman's playcalling. Don't bother posting me, soflabuck, I've ignored your "Simple Jack" and " I am Sam" Dumbass!

    SoflaBuck, Never go full retard! What do I mean? Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look retarded, act retarded, not retarded. Counted toothpicks, cheated cards. Autistic, sho'. Not retarded. You know Tom Hanks, 'Forrest Gump.' Slow, yes. Retarded, maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a ping-pong competition. That ain't retarded. Peter Sellers, "Being There." Infantile, yes. Retarded, no. You go full retard with your posts, SoFLABUCK. Never go full retard. You don't buy that? Ask Sean Penn, 2001, "I Am Sam." and Sarah Palin Remember? They went full retard, went home empty handed...

    rel matur dumas, you spent a hol paragrph to tel me you ar ignorin me, are you a dum fuk or what ?

    soflabuck

  • Me too....completely useless

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    buckeyewaz

  • sugarcrystal said...

    Complete about face at the head coaching position here in just over a year. A complete turnaround. You couldn't find two coaches who could be any more different in terms of their methods of recruiting and how they conduct interviews.

    But on a side note, I have long been one of the few here who has continuously emphasized this team's lothargy, lack of leadership, passion and toughness. Few of you here could see it. Either that or you refused to ackowledge the obvious. Tressel believed that you become a team leader based upon seniority which is a highly fallacious concept at best.

    In all honesty the last team leaders we've had on offense were Troy Smith and Kirk Barton. Beanie Wells showed a flash of it in the Oct '08 game at Wisconsin where he challenged Pryor on the scoring drive to become a man.

    Leadership has never been lacking on the defensive side of the ball--some seasons stronger than others but nonetheless there's always been a presence of it here.

    But trust that if Tressel were still here he'd have us all believing that this team is chock full of leadership when we can clearly see that it isn't. It's why some of us referred to the majority here as "Tresselytes" or "Blind Homers." Seeing what you want to see or hope to but not seeing the true reality of things. Meyer's just simply stating the obvious.

    Meyer has said since coming here six months ago that he emulates old-school coaches as opposed to his contemporaries. And it shows. Most of today's coaches are either all about having fun (Pete Carroll), micromanaging (Tressel), talking a good game and bloviating (Bryan Kelley) or pulling tricks and gimmicks out of their ball caps (Les Miles). Meyer however chooses to study the Woody Hayes', Earle Bruce's, Lou Holtz's and Steve Spurriers of the coaching world.

    Good post and I generally agree insomuch that Tressel's unwillingness to say anything candid irritated me for years and Meyer's straight talk is refreshing in comparison. I wouldn't go as far to say Tressel's teams were lethargic or that they lacked leadership, passion or toughness. If that were the case, he would have never accomplished a fraction of what he did over the 10 years.

    One caveat is that it appears Meyer is using the media to motivate the players. I see this as playing with fire in some ways. For example, what if one of his players decides to bite back through the media after a tough loss. All I'm saying is that there are probably going to be situations throughout any season where media needs to be kept at arms length.

    JAG24

  • 3dj said...

    Please don't quote "sofafuk" (appropriate) as I am ignoring his stupid azz.

    Thanks.

    I just love seeing his dumb azz posting under my post and I can't read it. Hilarious. I am sure he's pissed being called out like this and I can't even see what he has to say, but he get's to read my post's about his useless azz! LOL!

    This is irony at it's best. Worth every cent.

    -Jim

    3dj

  • JAG24 said...

    One caveat is that it appears Meyer is using the media to motivate the players. I see this as playing with fire in some ways. For example, what if one of his players decides to bite back through the media after a tough loss. All I'm saying is that there are probably going to be situations throughout any season where media needs to be kept at arms length.

    I've gotten a similar impression. For example, using the media as a way to call out his WRs as a group to motivate them and maybe have a couple rise to the challenge as well as acknowledging the guys who are putting in maximum effort. But you have to be careful how far you push any criticism publicly because these guys are for the most part still kids and getting called out negatively in public could produce the opposite of the desired effect.

    iowabuckeyes

  • 3dj said...

    I just love seeing his dumb azz posting under my post and I can't read it. Hilarious. I am sure he's pissed being called out like this and I can't even see what he has to say, but he get's to read my post's about his useless azz! LOL!

    This is irony at it's best. Worth every cent.

    -Jim

    you dum ass biatch ... why come wood you keep talkin to me if you ar ignorin me ?????????????????????? why come ?

    soflabuck