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Mis-used or under used in the "Tressel Era"

  • If I had to answer this OP more directly, I think rather than "misused" I would say under used..Ballard certainly comes to mind, but so does guys like Mo Wells, Berry, etc, ie scat back types that we almost refused to throw the ball to in space to allow their skills to shine

    screen passes in general were always missing from the play book and hence guys who had some ability to catch the ball and make plays in space, Mo Wells, Mo Hall, Pittman to some degree, the current Hall, Berry etc and even to some degree Saine were always under utilized as receivers.

    even some of our FB's could have been used more as receivers, Boren, White etc, showed the ability to catch the ball, but we simply rarely threw it to them.

    In terms of actually misused, I would say the constant running of guys like Mo Wells, Hall etc between the tackles

    jpfbuck

  • +1, about like how Saine was mis-used.

    BriGuy

  • BriGuy said...

    I havent read where anyone stated Tress wasnt a good coach. I felt Tress was a great coach, one of the best in college football. But the guy was right, how many of his assistant coaches actually deserved a job at OSU? Not many IMO.

    How many guys got drafted in the NFL and soon after was working as Torgue would say, "at the Citgo". ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Alot of players just arent prepared for the next level, and IMO is because of the staff Tress kept employed.

    Well OSU under Tressel had more NFL players drafted in the 1st round other than USC and I think USC had one more. Does that qualify as NFL players. At one time OSU had more NFL players under Tressel regime than any college that may have changed in his latter years.
    As far as coaches lets go through a few and compare
    Dantonio - Has had a better head coaching career than any of the Urban ex coaches that have become head coaches. Strong and McMullen are trying however have not achieved the success of Dantonio.
    Snyder - present defensive coordinator at Texas AM - failed at head coach however I expect will be excellent at Texas AM as coordinator
    Tucker - Presently defensive coordinator at Jacksonville - I would say that Mattison is comparable although Tucker may be better in the NFL
    Hassle - kent State coach which sucks however Ihe was an excellent receiver coach that turned out more NFL receivers than Florida did during the same timeline
    Heacock - say what you will however during his era at Defensive coordinator OSU was an elite defensive team. Accumlative speaking every bit as good as Florida
    Fickell - Coached and developed more NFL linebacker-1st rounders than any coach in college football
    Hayes - currently at Arkansas and is a defensive coordinator with the great SEC
    Johnson - current assistant head coach at Arkansas
    Daniels - offensive QB coach- had NFL experience and must have accomplished womethng with T.SMith and Krenzel. Would have liked to see what he could have done with Pryor

    Bollman - greatest offensive lineman coach ever... lol just kidding - ok you got me on that one

    BrieGuy - you are welcome to debate if I am wrong please do so

    centervilleosu

  • Chad L said...

    Scott McMullen THE GUNSLINGER. If Tress leaves him in...................Possibly undefeated against scUM in his tenure. Down 28-21, Gamble intercepts at midfield, McMullen had just taken us the distance for a TD, and was carving up scUM. The Gunslinger gets pulled. We go 3 and out and ultimately lose 35-21. Hidesight is always 20/20, but I think if we stayed with McMullen, we win that one.

    I completely agree. I told a buddy of mine from Pa. before the game against PSU started "the ony way we win is if Krenzel gets hurt" (was not wishing bad, so don't go down that route) sure enough, OSU goes down early, offense was ridiculously bad. Mcmullen comes in and leads us to a come from behind victory. Mcmullen was a better playmaker for a team that had absolutely no running game. Krenzel , on the other hand, did extremely well when he did have a running game (at least the threat of a running game).
    Mcmullen would've thrived in a pass happy system.

    SheridanBuckeye

  • I was sitting in scUM stadium and began foaming at the mouth when I saw an injured Krenzel come back into the game. Just as you noted, we had all the momentum and confidence. I never understood it.

    horneybuck

  • centervilleosu said...

    Well OSU under Tressel had more NFL players drafted in the 1st round other than USC and I think USC had one more. Does that qualify as NFL players. At one time OSU had more NFL players under Tressel regime than any college that may have changed in his latter years. As far as coaches lets go through a few and compare Dantonio - Has had a better head coaching career than any of the Urban ex coaches that have become head coaches. Strong and McMullen are trying however have not achieved the success of Dantonio. Snyder - present defensive coordinator at Texas AM - failed at head coach however I expect will be excellent at Texas AM as coordinator Tucker - Presently defensive coordinator at Jacksonville - I would say that Mattison is comparable although Tucker may be better in the NFL Hassle - kent State coach which sucks however Ihe was an excellent receiver coach that turned out more NFL receivers than Florida did during the same timeline Heacock - say what you will however during his era at Defensive coordinator OSU was an elite defensive team. Accumlative speaking every bit as good as Florida Fickell - Coached and developed more NFL linebacker-1st rounders than any coach in college football Hayes - currently at Arkansas and is a defensive coordinator with the great SEC Johnson - current assistant head coach at Arkansas Daniels - offensive QB coach- had NFL experience and must have accomplished womethng with T.SMith and Krenzel. Would have liked to see what he could have done with Pryor

    Bollman - greatest offensive lineman coach ever... lol just kidding - ok you got me on that one

    BrieGuy - you are welcome to debate if I am wrong please do so

    Almost forgot a couple assistant coaches
    Spencer - former RB coach that had been the RB coach of the Chicago Bears
    B.Conley - former recruiting coordinator that was once rated the best recruiter in college football. Yeah Briguy we had to have some recruiters for the future 1st round draft picks Tressel had
    By the way on Schiano... He took over for Daniels during the illness that Daniels had (cancer) It may originally had been on an interim basis since Daniels was being treated with the hope of going back to his duties. I am sure Tressel pulled strings to keep Daniels employed and Daniels probably still assisted with coaching Qb's even though Schiano was the labeled QB coach.
    This enabled Daniels to keep an income and his insurance. I would suspect it may have been difficult to hire another Qb coach with Daniels optimistic of a return to duties.. I could be wrong however this is another weakness of Tressel and his biggest, LOYALTY.
    A good coach like Meyer should have said I got a team to run so lets get a good Qb coach and whatever happens with Daniels happens.
    Still waiting Briguy on your rebuttal concerning players of the Tressel era and assistant coaches

    centervilleosu

  • centervilleosu said...

    Well OSU under Tressel had more NFL players drafted in the 1st round other than USC and I think USC had one more. Does that qualify as NFL players. At one time OSU had more NFL players under Tressel regime than any college that may have changed in his latter years. As far as coaches lets go through a few and compare Dantonio - Has had a better head coaching career than any of the Urban ex coaches that have become head coaches. Strong and McMullen are trying however have not achieved the success of Dantonio. Snyder - present defensive coordinator at Texas AM - failed at head coach however I expect will be excellent at Texas AM as coordinator Tucker - Presently defensive coordinator at Jacksonville - I would say that Mattison is comparable although Tucker may be better in the NFL Hassle - kent State coach which sucks however Ihe was an excellent receiver coach that turned out more NFL receivers than Florida did during the same timeline Heacock - say what you will however during his era at Defensive coordinator OSU was an elite defensive team. Accumlative speaking every bit as good as Florida Fickell - Coached and developed more NFL linebacker-1st rounders than any coach in college football Hayes - currently at Arkansas and is a defensive coordinator with the great SEC Johnson - current assistant head coach at Arkansas Daniels - offensive QB coach- had NFL experience and must have accomplished womethng with T.SMith and Krenzel. Would have liked to see what he could have done with Pryor

    Bollman - greatest offensive lineman coach ever... lol just kidding - ok you got me on that one

    BrieGuy - you are welcome to debate if I am wrong please do so

    Okay, thats some good shit right there.

    BriGuy

  • Yes, another Tress bashing, and well deserved! Nice guy and that about wraps it up!

    bucksnnuts2

  • Chad L said...

    Scott McMullen THE GUNSLINGER. If Tress leaves him in...................Possibly undefeated against scUM in his tenure. Down 28-21, Gamble intercepts at midfield, McMullen had just taken us the distance for a TD, and was carving up scUM. The Gunslinger gets pulled. We go 3 and out and ultimately lose 35-21. Hidesight is always 20/20, but I think if we stayed with McMullen, we win that one.

    I'm glad you've said this because I believe this as well. I didn't understand the "logic" if you will of taking out the QB (McMullen) who was on the hot streak in favor of bringing back the shaken up starter in Krenzel.
    One of Tressel's biggest mistakes as coach here by far and I again completely AGREE. Always have and always will!

    sugarcrystal

  • centervilleosu said...

    Well OSU under Tressel had more NFL players drafted in the 1st round other than USC and I think USC had one more. Does that qualify as NFL players. At one time OSU had more NFL players under Tressel regime than any college that may have changed in his latter years. As far as coaches lets go through a few and compare Dantonio - Has had a better head coaching career than any of the Urban ex coaches that have become head coaches. Strong and McMullen are trying however have not achieved the success of Dantonio. Snyder - present defensive coordinator at Texas AM - failed at head coach however I expect will be excellent at Texas AM as coordinator Tucker - Presently defensive coordinator at Jacksonville - I would say that Mattison is comparable although Tucker may be better in the NFL Hassle - kent State coach which sucks however Ihe was an excellent receiver coach that turned out more NFL receivers than Florida did during the same timeline Heacock - say what you will however during his era at Defensive coordinator OSU was an elite defensive team. Accumlative speaking every bit as good as Florida Fickell - Coached and developed more NFL linebacker-1st rounders than any coach in college football Hayes - currently at Arkansas and is a defensive coordinator with the great SEC Johnson - current assistant head coach at Arkansas Daniels - offensive QB coach- had NFL experience and must have accomplished womethng with T.SMith and Krenzel. Would have liked to see what he could have done with Pryor

    Bollman - greatest offensive lineman coach ever... lol just kidding - ok you got me on that one

    BrieGuy - you are welcome to debate if I am wrong please do so

    You won't get much argument from me or many others here--esp those of us who're knowledgeable about the past decade here under the Tressel regime.
    HOWEVER, what you miss is the fact that after the 2003 season, things began to decline gradually in the assistant coaching ranks.
    Between then and the end of the '05 season, Tressel had the task of making new hires to replace the outgoing Conley, Jr., Spencer, Dantonio, Tucker, Butch Reynolds, Joe Daniels (later exit BTW), etc.
    To show you what I mean, he replaced Tim Spencer with his brother whose experience was at Hamline College--a place I'm not even sure a good many native Minnesotans are even aware of. Replaced Conley Jr with John Peterson. Replaced Daniels with Nick Siciliano. The only comparable replacements for Tim Beckman were the Johnson/Hanes combo hires.

    I could go on and on about this, however the main point in all of this is that Tressel showed that he was still very much a D-IAA level coach at best. He never wanted to coach a big-time program and these decisions proved why he preferred to remain at YSU or some other small school like his father had.
    He wasn't accustomed to making such hires which is why he hired those he felt he could (a) be superior to (b) those he was most comfortable or familiar with or (c) those who'd never challenge or question his authority.
    By doing this, he undercut his ability to become not only a bona fide HOF'er but become the TOP coach in all of D-I. Had he either been able to maintain many of those early tenured assistants or replace them with comparable assistants, we win at least two titles, beat USC at least once and only have one loss to Texas.

    sugarcrystal

  • Toss plays and perhaps a few more screens?

    NuclearBuckeye

  • Chad L said...

    Scott McMullen THE GUNSLINGER. If Tress leaves him in...................Possibly undefeated against scUM in his tenure. Down 28-21, Gamble intercepts at midfield, McMullen had just taken us the distance for a TD, and was carving up scUM. The Gunslinger gets pulled. We go 3 and out and ultimately lose 35-21. Hidesight is always 20/20, but I think if we stayed with McMullen, we win that one.

    Maybe. Mcmullen was hot I will agree with you but we had no answer for Perry and Navarre was red hot. Michigan was rolling.

    Llllllllloyd Carr;s last hurrah. Perry just killed us that game. Killed us.

    "The only thing That Team Up North will be tasting this year is the salty tears of defeat" - UFM

    Gobucks187TTUN

  • Jim Bollman was completely mis used. I think he would have served a better purpose as the official game day nut warmer. Any game below 45 degrees he should be in charge of cupping our balls.

    derftyhbuin

  • Michael Jenkins, Ballard, Robiskie, Hartline, Krenzel, McMullen, Holmes, Ginn, Vance, Gonzalez, even Troy Smith a little bit - he underused every brilliant receiver and quarterback from 2000-2010. Can you imagine if he would have had the group last year? - he would have actually had a genuine reason not to throw. He probably would have started 8 offensive lineman a full back, rb and QB. We wouldnt have passed once all season. Now finally we are going to get a real offense. Pity we didnt get Diggs - one of the freshman will have to emerge - they need to use Hall full time as a receiver he couldnt possibly be worse than the group last year as Corey Brown simply can not play - he's the worst OSU starting receiver I have seen in 20 years. Anyway Tress always had his teams ready to play (except Florida of course) -but his offense was always unimaginative, predictable and dull. Bollman by himself was twice as bad.

    This post was edited by redrock on 2/14/2012 at 8:06 PM

    redrock

  • gessig said...

    Ted Ginn..A talent like Tedd Ginn is a rare..Ginn was Ohio State's version of Percy Harvin..Ohio State should have found more ways to get the ball to Ted Ginn.

    Gessig. You are right on the money. I had the same thought. We should have thrown 5 yard slants to him all day and let his speed take over.

    Bennie513

  • BriGuy said...

    I havent read where anyone stated Tress wasnt a good coach. I felt Tress was a great coach, one of the best in college football. But the guy was right, how many of his assistant coaches actually deserved a job at OSU? Not many IMO.

    i was always a little frustrated that JT never opened it up more, but looking back I never realized how good JT was...the guy had to have been a genius to manage an entire football team/program of tosu caliber at the level it did for so long with the lack of assistant coaching staff help/input/teaching

    AZ Buckeye

  • sugarcrystal said...

    You won't get much argument from me or many others here--esp those of us who're knowledgeable about the past decade here under the Tressel regime. HOWEVER, what you miss is the fact that after the 2003 season, things began to decline gradually in the assistant coaching ranks. Between then and the end of the '05 season, Tressel had the task of making new hires to replace the outgoing Conley, Jr., Spencer, Dantonio, Tucker, Butch Reynolds, Joe Daniels (later exit BTW), etc. To show you what I mean, he replaced Tim Spencer with his brother whose experience was at Hamline College--a place I'm not even sure a good many native Minnesotans are even aware of. Replaced Conley Jr with John Peterson. Replaced Daniels with Nick Siciliano. The only comparable replacements for Tim Beckman were the Johnson/Hanes combo hires.

    I could go on and on about this, however the main point in all of this is that Tressel showed that he was still very much a D-IAA level coach at best. He never wanted to coach a big-time program and these decisions proved why he preferred to remain at YSU or some other small school like his father had. He wasn't accustomed to making such hires which is why he hired those he felt he could (a) be superior to (b) those he was most comfortable or familiar with or (c) those who'd never challenge or question his authority. By doing this, he undercut his ability to become not only a bona fide HOF'er but become the TOP coach in all of D-I. Had he either been able to maintain many of those early tenured assistants or replace them with comparable assistants, we win at least two titles, beat USC at least once and only have one loss to Texas.

    I agree with the fact that OSU coaching staff may not have been as strong in 2010 as opposed to 2002. I disagree with Dick Tresssel not being a good coach. Calling Tresse purely a D1AA is a little odd to say the less. Lets just say that the hundreds of coaches that wish they had Tressel's record as a D1 coach. Lets say that we give into the fact that Saban, Carroll, and Meyer may have had a better run during the last 10 years and that is debatable. Consider that with 119 colleges alot of colleges achieved much less. I will say it again that the 10 year run that Tressel had was the best in Ohio State history. This is an incredible fact.I know the cool aid taste good with Meyer however I still say it isn't going to be as easy as the Meyer man crushers think.Meyer will have some coaches fall short too. Here is a fact do you know who Teryl Austin is? He was urban's defensive coordinator at Florida in 2010.I don't recall him being asked to coach at OSU probably because he was Meyer's mistake in 2010.
    Withers, Herrman, Smith may go on to be great coaches and I certainly hope so. Currently their resumes don't measure up to Dantonio, Tucker,and Beckman.
    Lets hope tthey are better than Austin.

    centervilleosu