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BriGuy said...
I havent read where anyone stated Tress wasnt a good coach. I felt Tress was a great coach, one of the best in college football. But the guy was right, how many of his assistant coaches actually deserved a job at OSU? Not many IMO.
How many guys got drafted in the NFL and soon after was working as Torgue would say, "at the Citgo". ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alot of players just arent prepared for the next level, and IMO is because of the staff Tress kept employed.
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Chad L said...
Scott McMullen THE GUNSLINGER. If Tress leaves him in...................Possibly undefeated against scUM in his tenure. Down 28-21, Gamble intercepts at midfield, McMullen had just taken us the distance for a TD, and was carving up scUM. The Gunslinger gets pulled. We go 3 and out and ultimately lose 35-21. Hidesight is always 20/20, but I think if we stayed with McMullen, we win that one.
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Well OSU under Tressel had more NFL players drafted in the 1st round other than USC and I think USC had one more. Does that qualify as NFL players. At one time OSU had more NFL players under Tressel regime than any college that may have changed in his latter years. As far as coaches lets go through a few and compare Dantonio - Has had a better head coaching career than any of the Urban ex coaches that have become head coaches. Strong and McMullen are trying however have not achieved the success of Dantonio. Snyder - present defensive coordinator at Texas AM - failed at head coach however I expect will be excellent at Texas AM as coordinator Tucker - Presently defensive coordinator at Jacksonville - I would say that Mattison is comparable although Tucker may be better in the NFL Hassle - kent State coach which sucks however Ihe was an excellent receiver coach that turned out more NFL receivers than Florida did during the same timeline Heacock - say what you will however during his era at Defensive coordinator OSU was an elite defensive team. Accumlative speaking every bit as good as Florida Fickell - Coached and developed more NFL linebacker-1st rounders than any coach in college football Hayes - currently at Arkansas and is a defensive coordinator with the great SEC Johnson - current assistant head coach at Arkansas Daniels - offensive QB coach- had NFL experience and must have accomplished womethng with T.SMith and Krenzel. Would have liked to see what he could have done with Pryor
Bollman - greatest offensive lineman coach ever... lol just kidding - ok you got me on that one
BrieGuy - you are welcome to debate if I am wrong please do so
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Well OSU under Tressel had more NFL players drafted in the 1st round other than USC and I think USC had one more. Does that qualify as NFL players. At one time OSU had more NFL players under Tressel regime than any college that may have changed in his latter years. As far as coaches lets go through a few and compare Dantonio - Has had a better head coaching career than any of the Urban ex coaches that have become head coaches. Strong and McMullen are trying however have not achieved the success of Dantonio. Snyder - present defensive coordinator at Texas AM - failed at head coach however I expect will be excellent at Texas AM as coordinator Tucker - Presently defensive coordinator at Jacksonville - I would say that Mattison is comparable although Tucker may be better in the NFL Hassle - kent State coach which sucks however Ihe was an excellent receiver coach that turned out more NFL receivers than Florida did during the same timeline Heacock - say what you will however during his era at Defensive coordinator OSU was an elite defensive team. Accumlative speaking every bit as good as Florida Fickell - Coached and developed more NFL linebacker-1st rounders than any coach in college football Hayes - currently at Arkansas and is a defensive coordinator with the great SEC Johnson - current assistant head coach at Arkansas Daniels - offensive QB coach- had NFL experience and must have accomplished womethng with T.SMith and Krenzel. Would have liked to see what he could have done with Pryor
Bollman - greatest offensive lineman coach ever... lol just kidding - ok you got me on that one
BrieGuy - you are welcome to debate if I am wrong please do so
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Scott McMullen THE GUNSLINGER. If Tress leaves him in...................Possibly undefeated against scUM in his tenure. Down 28-21, Gamble intercepts at midfield, McMullen had just taken us the distance for a TD, and was carving up scUM. The Gunslinger gets pulled. We go 3 and out and ultimately lose 35-21. Hidesight is always 20/20, but I think if we stayed with McMullen, we win that one.
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centervilleosu said...
Well OSU under Tressel had more NFL players drafted in the 1st round other than USC and I think USC had one more. Does that qualify as NFL players. At one time OSU had more NFL players under Tressel regime than any college that may have changed in his latter years. As far as coaches lets go through a few and compare Dantonio - Has had a better head coaching career than any of the Urban ex coaches that have become head coaches. Strong and McMullen are trying however have not achieved the success of Dantonio. Snyder - present defensive coordinator at Texas AM - failed at head coach however I expect will be excellent at Texas AM as coordinator Tucker - Presently defensive coordinator at Jacksonville - I would say that Mattison is comparable although Tucker may be better in the NFL Hassle - kent State coach which sucks however Ihe was an excellent receiver coach that turned out more NFL receivers than Florida did during the same timeline Heacock - say what you will however during his era at Defensive coordinator OSU was an elite defensive team. Accumlative speaking every bit as good as Florida Fickell - Coached and developed more NFL linebacker-1st rounders than any coach in college football Hayes - currently at Arkansas and is a defensive coordinator with the great SEC Johnson - current assistant head coach at Arkansas Daniels - offensive QB coach- had NFL experience and must have accomplished womethng with T.SMith and Krenzel. Would have liked to see what he could have done with Pryor
Bollman - greatest offensive lineman coach ever... lol just kidding - ok you got me on that one
BrieGuy - you are welcome to debate if I am wrong please do so
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Chad L said...
Scott McMullen THE GUNSLINGER. If Tress leaves him in...................Possibly undefeated against scUM in his tenure. Down 28-21, Gamble intercepts at midfield, McMullen had just taken us the distance for a TD, and was carving up scUM. The Gunslinger gets pulled. We go 3 and out and ultimately lose 35-21. Hidesight is always 20/20, but I think if we stayed with McMullen, we win that one.
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sugarcrystal said...
You won't get much argument from me or many others here--esp those of us who're knowledgeable about the past decade here under the Tressel regime. HOWEVER, what you miss is the fact that after the 2003 season, things began to decline gradually in the assistant coaching ranks. Between then and the end of the '05 season, Tressel had the task of making new hires to replace the outgoing Conley, Jr., Spencer, Dantonio, Tucker, Butch Reynolds, Joe Daniels (later exit BTW), etc. To show you what I mean, he replaced Tim Spencer with his brother whose experience was at Hamline College--a place I'm not even sure a good many native Minnesotans are even aware of. Replaced Conley Jr with John Peterson. Replaced Daniels with Nick Siciliano. The only comparable replacements for Tim Beckman were the Johnson/Hanes combo hires.
I could go on and on about this, however the main point in all of this is that Tressel showed that he was still very much a D-IAA level coach at best. He never wanted to coach a big-time program and these decisions proved why he preferred to remain at YSU or some other small school like his father had. He wasn't accustomed to making such hires which is why he hired those he felt he could (a) be superior to (b) those he was most comfortable or familiar with or (c) those who'd never challenge or question his authority. By doing this, he undercut his ability to become not only a bona fide HOF'er but become the TOP coach in all of D-I. Had he either been able to maintain many of those early tenured assistants or replace them with comparable assistants, we win at least two titles, beat USC at least once and only have one loss to Texas.
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