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I'm hearing names popping up that I didn't think we would ever hear. This will get real ugly

I don't believe it to be truly fair to make such a broad stroke statement about an entire fanbase. Sure we have our loudmouths who spout off and say things that they probably shouldn't. You guys do too. These are two completely different scenarios. There is a huge difference between players breaking rules and what Sandusky did. Finding even the smallest amount of pleasure in a negative outcome against the football program is sad and probably warrants some time in self reflection.

As you can see most of our fans will reciprocate respect to those guests who come on our board and are rationale, just as you are conducting yourself now. We may not agree, but we try to understand that other teams fans see things differently, which is fine. I have also seen a lot of our fans on this board pushed to a point in which they would leave. We will not subscribe to that any more. Over the last year our fans have taken a literal whooping. I am positive Buckeye Nation reached out to the psu football team in the true spirit of competition with respect. That's not how we were treated during some our roughest times. It still goes on now!

Nothing to do with the program?????? What??? Your AD and President hid it my man!!! You don't think there is a slight chance they hid it to PROTECT the program and the money making machine that is football??

Would they have covered it up if it was the field hockey coach??? Follow the money.

Dear lord, wake up.

Why should the team be held accountable for the actions of the administration? That would be like telling a corporation that their sales force couldn't go out and sell their product because a former employee committed the same acts as Sandusky on company property and upper management kept it quiet. Hell, since it was the AD maybe the entire athletic department should be punished. They girl's field hockey team had as much to do with it as the football team. Enough lives have been ruined by this heinous act - why drag 100 plus student athletes into it? I get the connection to the AD but you can't indict the football team for actions committed outside of the program. I'm not defending anyone involved - only the ones who are innocently being pulled into this mess.

define delusional....never mind, your post does.

I can't disagree on this post. This is the worst sports story ever. It has irreparably tarnished Paterno's legacy and his sin in being complicit arguably killed the man. It is going to take decades and generations for the PSU program to recover from this scandal, if it ever does. I am empathetic with their fans and alumni as this has got to be their worst nightmare realized. This is bigger than Penn St., it is horrible for all of college football.

The fact that Sandusky resigned from PSU in the late 90's and that no other college program came calling for him to coach tells me that many in college football, including not just Penn St, but much of the NCAA membership had heard rumors about Sandusky. That was the time for them to have investigated. What purpose is going to be served by them cracking down now, other than piling on and making a foolish spectacle and punishing the wrong parties? As an institution, the NCAA ranks among the worst, bottom of the barrel. The letter from Emmert is sanctimonious dog crap as far as I'm concerned.

Really? We are questioning the ethics of an entire athletic administration and now you want the NCAA to turn a blind eye just like the administration turned a blind eye to these kids......really? smh

not attacking you here at all, but 'girls field hockey' had nothing to do w/Sandusky having an office and access to the locker room, wheras the football team and Paterno.....

for that matter, John Simon had nothing to do w/Tat Gate, and he was rewarded how???

I've said we 'need' PSU to be strong as well, and got criticized for it, on this board. I go to your sites everyday, and if you haven't read this before (from me), I absolutely HATE PSU!
that said, I have not reveled in [your] situation....it's too dispicable of a subject matter.

Either way, someone needs to pay for that check Paterno, and others (like Spanier) wrote in that locker room. not to mention Gossamer. That red headed, spineless POS should get his too.

The NCAA should have acted years ago when I am presuming they knew - at the very least - rumors of these allegations. They are like the Catholic Church in a way. And what type of sports journalism was Sports Illustrated practicing? Dorfman wrote every rumor he could into the article about tatoo gate, but they wrote this article, which made Sandusky look like a saint? How many more future victims ended up at Second Mile after this piece of crap was written?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1017979/index.html

I understand that hindsight is 20-20, but there were many, many people who could and should have done more to stop this and I believe the NCAA has some culpability. They should be doing a self investigation and asking those employees from that era what they knew. I'd bet dollars to donuts that rumors about Sandusky were water cooler talk at the time at their offices. Their intervention at this point is a waste of time and serves no purpose other than their self aggrandizement.

All PSU, this statement is not inaccurate but it seems to me you cannot pick and choose between what is good for the conference and what is legally fair. I do not wish any ill will to the PSU program but I am confused as to why you find it difficult to compare the blatant coverup of such a hideous crime to the lack of institutional control at OSU. OSU players did not commit crimes. They were NCAA violations. The reason OSU took such a hit was that Jim Tressel lied to the NCAA. ( I hate even saying that) The PSU coaching staff, administration covered up and allowed this to terrible crime to happen. FOR YEARS!!! You are right inexpressing your disapointment for the players at PSU who were not involved but how many OSU players suffered for the poor decision of their coach. I am afraid it doesn't work that way. The statement was mad about Sandusky quietly retiring and nobody even coming up with an offer. For good reason, it certainley implies that most in the loop had a pretty good idea what was going on. At the time of Sandusky's retirement he was a top assistant who should have been in high demand. I guess my point is, The crimes are despicable, the inacctions of Joe, the administration and those within the football program are intolerable. The university has to be punished for taking the law into its own hands for fearing for their football program. If OSU was smacked by the NCAA for a lie by its head coach over minor NCAA vilations that were not criminal violations, what do you think PSU deserves when its coaches, adminsration deliberately covered up this disaster. I would find it comical if the NCAA does not do anything.

WOW, if these acts were committed and covered up in a business setting, the entire company would be drug through the mud and financially crippled due to the settlements they would have to pay. Many would be fired and held criminally liable for covering up these actions. Lack of institutional control is just that, the administrators knew of this and brushed it under the rug. It was all done and allowed to happen for so long because everyone wanted to protect JoePa and the football program. I have even read on the PSU website that fans and residents said there were rumors about Sandusky's actions for years. So it seems that many knew everything about it and did nothing to protect these children. No program or institution anywhere in the world is worth covering up the abuse of one child. I understand that you are a fan of PSU but in my eyes this entire football program should be given the death penalty, what happened is not only against every ethical rule in the world and the NCAA it is criminal that every major leader in the football program was made aware of. In industry if an employee makes you aware of an instance of sexual harassment, let alone sexual abuse, and you as a manger do nothing you become personally liable and because you are a member of management the company becomes liable because of willful disregard by a member of management even at the lowest level. MM was a member of management and even though he reported it, he should have gone to the police himself. All the other administrators are like the GM, VP, CEO, and President covering this up. You may explain it any way you care to but in my eyes, this is the worst atrocity I have seen committed by any football program in the history of the game.

Be careful Boom, now you're just making too much sense.