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"I just do not see where the NCAA can connect the athletic program and football specifically to these crimes."

I feel for you All4PSU, but this statement has me totally baffled. The connection is very clear in my mind. Sandusky was a coach when earlier acts were committed. You can argue why he suddenly retired, but his acts continued and he was still very much apart of the football culture. He used his status as a football coach to get access to the kids, and your AD (ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!!!!), head coach, assistant coach and high level administrators knew about this crap and appears that they tried to sweep it under the rug to save the reputation of the football program and the university.

So, now you have a criminal act that is deeply tied to the football program, the athletic program, and the university as a whole. The NCAA may punish the entire athletic program at PSU and not just the football program while the legal system will punish the entire university.

I don't wish evil on anyone, but from the outside, this whole thing seems to be about money, football money. Football is the cash cow at places like PSU, OSU. And it looks to me like people in the athletic dept., people associated with the football program let this go on, probably hoping that what some part of them knew was true, wasn't.

That, at the root, seems an institutional issue. The football people knew about it; it happened at their facilities. Sandusky had a football parking space. (PSU, Happy Valley, seems so protected. That kind of obscene behavior might've been harder to hide in a bigger place like Columbus.)

They say money corrupts. That might be what we have here. (Most of us don't have to worry about this kind of money.)

God bless those kids and their families, the whole PSU community.

I agree what any of us wants doesn't matter, but I'm curious as to what you or any of the other posters think that NCAA should do or what you would like to see them do. What NCAA penalties would be just in this situation?

Whould you all be satisified with scholarship reduction, post-season ban, or are you after the death penalty?

They should get the death penalty and their current players should be able to transfer without sitting out a year. If this isnt death penalty worthy, then nothing is or ever will be.

Can you imagine that hole getting the death penalty? They showed their true colors when Joe was fired. I can't imagine what would happen. Smh

I just read this as well. What else should they try? It's obvious this old turd is a nut job of the first order! Just another typical defense tactic when everything else cannot be defended. The bottom line is that this guy is an A #1 pedophile! Bottom line # 2 is that most of the hierarchy @ PeeSU knew this for years and covered it up to protect the brand name and legacy of JoePa's program. The cat is now out of the bag! PeeSU is not sainted after all! "They Are Pee-S-U....and the Pee is for pervert!

I have many friends who attended PeeSU. Most are stunned, and ashamed by this issue to say the least. I DO feel sorry for them, but remember back one year guys......KARMA IS AN ABSOLUTE BITCH! This ain't no tattoo for personal belonging issue. If the school administration IS convicted of a cover up, regardless of the educational qualities of that school, there is no defense of the tainted reputation world wide. Their fake-ass halo is gone forever. Welcome in the law suits. Again, I actually do feel sorry for them. The potential NCAA inquiries/ penalties are the least of their worries now. Hello never ending lawsuits!

I still don't think E$PeeIN is being nearly as hard on them as they were on us over tattoos, personal belongings, and a coach who didn't fess up he was told about it and stopped it.

GO BUCKEYES!

What do you have against Turds? Geez!

Nut...the poster seems to focus on current coaches when in my mind it doesn't matter. I think a lawyer could argue since Sandusky had run of the place that he was still part of the program even though he wasn't officially employed. His access to facilities, closed practices, and preferential treatment would be enough IMO. It could also be argued that since he wasn't officially employed but had run of the joint there was definitely a LOIC. In any event, the NCAA has enough here to investigate the matter, not to mention JoePa being employed when all this went down. It's an ugly mess over there and far from over.

I personally don't think the NCAA should get involved, but if they do this is the only reasonable answer IMO. Could you give them the same penalty as OSU or USC? WTF would that look like.

The truly sad part is that if they had just fired Sandusky and told the police when they first found out, it would have been a smear for a few months and then nobody would even think about it. Instead, this will stain the program for generations.

boom: Why won't you answer the question of what you believe the fair penalty by the NCAA should be?

why jag? are you that interested in my opinion? or are you trying to prove something? I will play your game. Just like they punish other schools (no real mystery here imo)....loss of schollies, postseason ban and probation. How many schollies lost? between 1 and 85 How many seasons with no bowl? between 1 and 100 How long probation? between 3 and 100

Fair enough....I guess I took the tone of all your comments and questions as thinking that I wanted PSU wiped off the face of the earth. I assumed that's what you thought I would say. My bad.

I just don't think the NCAA ever wants to give the death penalty again. If that were an option, then I don't see it getting any worse than this.....I mean the AD and Pres covering stuff up to protect the money making machine--it doesn't get any worse. It's what had me scared to death during the tressel crap. Add to that what PSU was covering up, and it just doesn't get any worse.

So let's talk about the "death penalty". All that means is no competition in that sport for at least one year. It can be argued that taking 10 schollies away for 4 years (or whatever) and a 4 year bowl ban is worse than 1 season of no football. Now, 2 or 3 years of no football? That would be worse than a few year bowl ban imo.