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No Excuse for Penn State Cowardice

  • The mythology of Joe Paterno was that of a guy who did the right thing in a sea of wrong. The reality is, he was a coward. And he is a reminder that cowardice is also contagious.

    All it took was a meeting with Paterno to get then Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to email university vice president Gary Schultz and president Graham Spanier with a change of plans. They would not be taking their shower problem to authorities.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-failure-to-report-shows-cowardice-070312

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    3ydncloudofdust

  • "It is just as wrong to perpetuate a myth, to ignore cowardice, to pretend what we want to believe a person was is actually who they were. If there is a silver lining to this tragedy, it is the reminder that we all have choices — mostly on smaller levels, though some bigger — every day.

    Be courageous. Or be cowardly.

    Just remember both are contagious, and how you choose is ultimately who you are."

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    3ydncloudofdust

  • 'Family Defends Paterno'

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Joe-Paterno-family-Release-all-emails-and-records-070312

    Any confirmation that Paterno was involved in the decision not to report the shower assault won't matter to 1966 Penn State alumnus Michael S. Kirschner, a Bryn Mawr businessman and who chaired the Paterno Library board.

    ''To me it doesn't, because I love the man. I learned from him, and I can walk from my home in Philadelphia to Penn State in the footsteps of mistakes I've made,'' Kirschner said. ''The legacy of those of us who believed in him will not be tarnished. No matter what.''

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    3ydncloudofdust

  • cowherd was talking about this and said small town cover up and claimed it wouldnt happen in a big town and i agree that the cult mindset is in full effect here

    wildebuck

  • well, I see the cowards are awake and ready to get started w/the dv's. unless it's a PSU coward, which is fitting for this thread.

    hey Nut, your new assignment is to revamp the up/downvote system....everyone wants to share their ups, let's make share their downs.

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    3ydncloudofdust

  • 3ydncloudofdust said...

    revamp the up/downvote system....everyone wants to share their ups, let's make share their downs.

    I wanted this a long time ago.

    IndyDog

  • This entire situation stinks to high heaven. From the act itself, to the coverup, then the justification process some people are fabricating. The entire truth is the administration, coaches, law enforcement, and the PSU fans choose to turn a blind eye and let a child predator operate on and around their campus for years to protect their brand and image. JoePa was a man whos legacy gave him way to much power. He was at the head of a multimillion dollar cash cow and was seen as a deity among the PSU fan base. It is now coming out how truely corrupt an organization can be when individuals are allowed to remain in power for too long. I feel for the victims of this monster named Sandusky and all those who allowed it to happen. I have seen questions on boards if this would have been the same situation had it been a professor from the history department and the answer is, NO it would not. The fact is it would not have been the same in any other department of the school. The individual would have been turned over to authorities right away and no further victims would have been created. Because it was the bread winner (football team) and JoePa had the power he had, it was swept under the rug as if it wasn't happening. Spanier, Shultz, Curley, and Paterno should go down in history as the worst abuse of power that has ever happened in sports. PSU and the sports program should be punished drastically and if the NCAA doesn't they should just fold up camp and go off into the sunset because if they do not dole out the harshest punishment ever given then they are truely the joke everyone believes them to be already.

    talbert39

  • +1 talbert39, nice post.

    dkbuckeyes

  • 3ydncloudofdust said...

    'Family Defends Paterno'

    http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Joe-Paterno-family-Release-all-emails-and-records-070312

    Any confirmation that Paterno was involved in the decision not to report the shower assault won't matter to 1966 Penn State alumnus Michael S. Kirschner, a Bryn Mawr businessman and who chaired the Paterno Library board.

    ''To me it doesn't, because I love the man. I learned from him, and I can walk from my home in Philadelphia to Penn State in the footsteps of mistakes I've made,'' Kirschner said. ''The legacy of those of us who believed in him will not be tarnished. No matter what.''

    I hope this guy's mistakes didnt effect others like JoPa's.

    dave1954

  • dave1954 said...

    I hope this guy's mistakes didnt effect others like JoPa's.

    Herein lies the whole issue to me. People just do not get it..This is small town "dirty little secret" 101..The reality is that in State College, like other small towns with big events just like it everywhere, there is a culture to protect, protect, protect...in the end, regardless of the crime (or the effect) NOTHING is more important than closure, evasion and "business as usual" In this case, people probably could not believe the severity, the abhorrance of the act(s) as well as the perpetrator, and in this culture, with the people believing that Joe Pa was a "God" they did all they could to hide it. This is sickening to think that an entire community (and do not bore me with the fact that no one out side of 5 or 6 knew) did not eradicate this issue years before. Here on July 4th we have parades trumpeting our struggles for freedom, and an entire fucking community and populace chose cowardice over courage..The only hero in this is that young reporter God Bless Her..

    How firm thy friendship O-HI-O

    schooba

  • He is a piece of shit and that statue needs to come down asap. Most disgusting situation in sports ever. Id be setting off H 100's on his stupid statue face today if it was nearby

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    SonnyD

  • I've had various sociology classes throughout college and other times. Sometimes required, some voluntarily because I find it interesting. That said, this group of people would make an excellent sociology class. The best ones are centered around whack jobs. And they definitely qualify.

    BuckDigger

  • dkbuckeyes said...

    +1 talbert39, nice post.

    Thank you :)

    talbert39

  • talbert39 said...

    This entire situation stinks to high heaven. From the act itself, to the coverup, then the justification process some people are fabricating. The entire truth is the administration, coaches, law enforcement, and the PSU fans choose to turn a blind eye and let a child predator operate on and around their campus for years to protect their brand and image. JoePa was a man whos legacy gave him way to much power. He was at the head of a multimillion dollar cash cow and was seen as a deity among the PSU fan base. It is now coming out how truely corrupt an organization can be when individuals are allowed to remain in power for too long. I feel for the victims of this monster named Sandusky and all those who allowed it to happen. I have seen questions on boards if this would have been the same situation had it been a professor from the history department and the answer is, NO it would not. The fact is it would not have been the same in any other department of the school. The individual would have been turned over to authorities right away and no further victims would have been created. Because it was the bread winner (football team) and JoePa had the power he had, it was swept under the rug as if it wasn't happening. Spanier, Shultz, Curley, and Paterno should go down in history as the worst abuse of power that has ever happened in sports. PSU and the sports program should be punished drastically and if the NCAA doesn't they should just fold up camp and go off into the sunset because if they do not dole out the harshest punishment ever given then they are truely the joke everyone believes them to be already.

    +1, absolutely.

    Razorback

  • talbert39 said...

    This entire situation stinks to high heaven. From the act itself, to the coverup, then the justification process some people are fabricating. The entire truth is the administration, coaches, law enforcement, and the PSU fans choose to turn a blind eye and let a child predator operate on and around their campus for years to protect their brand and image. JoePa was a man whos legacy gave him way to much power. He was at the head of a multimillion dollar cash cow and was seen as a deity among the PSU fan base. It is now coming out how truely corrupt an organization can be when individuals are allowed to remain in power for too long. I feel for the victims of this monster named Sandusky and all those who allowed it to happen. I have seen questions on boards if this would have been the same situation had it been a professor from the history department and the answer is, NO it would not. The fact is it would not have been the same in any other department of the school. The individual would have been turned over to authorities right away and no further victims would have been created. Because it was the bread winner (football team) and JoePa had the power he had, it was swept under the rug as if it wasn't happening. Spanier, Shultz, Curley, and Paterno should go down in history as the worst abuse of power that has ever happened in sports. PSU and the sports program should be punished drastically and if the NCAA doesn't they should just fold up camp and go off into the sunset because if they do not dole out the harshest punishment ever given then they are truely the joke everyone believes them to be already.

    Really? The fans were on to this and we chose to let it go? A lot if people are at fault, but fans had nothing to do with this. I won't speak for all PSU fans, but as for me, I am very disappointed in how this tragedy occurred and went unreported for years. This terrible story will carry on for years to come and will always be a sad chapter in my book of being a fan of PSU. It is not a position I would wish on any fan to be in, but as you make your comments and call for drastic punishments, put yourself in our shoes. Imagine how you would feel if this had happened to your university. We have sports to try to escape the everyday crap this world throws at us. The thought that players and coaches and a program that had no connection to these events could be severely punished for the acts of a few is hard to phathom. I do not pretend to know how this will play out, but I do know hat it has been a terrible 7 months and I'm sure more misery is to come. Just keep this in perspective and who is really to blame. We are no different than you. We love our team and our university and we hope that better days are soon to come.

    All4PSU

  • All4PSU said...

    Really? The fans were on to this and we chose to let it go? A lot if people are at fault, but fans had nothing to do with this. I won't speak for all PSU fans, but as for me, I am very disappointed in how this tragedy occurred and went unreported for years. This terrible story will carry on for years to come and will always be a sad chapter in my book of being a fan of PSU. It is not a position I would wish on any fan to be in, but as you make your comments and call for drastic punishments, put yourself in our shoes. Imagine how you would feel if this had happened to your university. We have sports to try to escape the everyday crap this world throws at us. The thought that players and coaches and a program that had no connection to these events could be severely punished for the acts of a few is hard to phathom. I do not pretend to know how this will play out, but I do know hat it has been a terrible 7 months and I'm sure more misery is to come. Just keep this in perspective and who is really to blame. We are no different than you. We love our team and our university and we hope that better days are soon to come.

    Ohio State now has every player on their team paying for what someone else before them did and yet it was a mere case of selling what BELONGED to them. Of coarse a coach tried to cover up but let's face it, covering up what Tressel did compared to what Joe P did is completely beyond imagination. I agree that the current players should not be held responsible for what some idiot scum bag did before them but every effort should be made to expose everything that Jo Pa did and expose him for what he was.
    I also believer that in some way this complete mess led to Joes death sooner than it would have been.

    maci57

  • All4PSU said...

    Really? The fans were on to this and we chose to let it go? A lot if people are at fault, but fans had nothing to do with this. I won't speak for all PSU fans, but as for me, I am very disappointed in how this tragedy occurred and went unreported for years. This terrible story will carry on for years to come and will always be a sad chapter in my book of being a fan of PSU. It is not a position I would wish on any fan to be in, but as you make your comments and call for drastic punishments, put yourself in our shoes. Imagine how you would feel if this had happened to your university. We have sports to try to escape the everyday crap this world throws at us. The thought that players and coaches and a program that had no connection to these events could be severely punished for the acts of a few is hard to phathom. I do not pretend to know how this will play out, but I do know hat it has been a terrible 7 months and I'm sure more misery is to come. Just keep this in perspective and who is really to blame. We are no different than you. We love our team and our university and we hope that better days are soon to come.

    That's just the way things work in the NCAA......others pay for peoples' mistakes. If anything happens to PSU football, I am sure the NCAA will give the players left behind a chance to go elsewhere without having to sit out....which did not happen here. And as far as sports being an escape....that's not an excuse or a reason to NOT levy penalties against the football program. There are other sports for you and your fans to watch and "escape" if your football team gets some sanctions.

    When I offer my opinion about what should happen, I try and take the fact that PSU fans were over here (and on their own site) gloating about OSU's problems out of the equation.....I really do. But I will ask you the same question....put yourselves in OUR shoes. If we were all over your site because some of your players sold stuff and your coach covered it up.......wouldn't most of you be calling for harsh penalties for OSU? I live in Pgh and I know MANY of your fans and I know the answer to that question.

    FWIW, if what happened at PSU happened at Texas or LSU or anywhere else, I am sure I would feel the same way.

    Bottom line is, you have to truly ask yourself if you honestly believe that the reasons for the cover up had absolutely nothing to do with protecting PSU football and the money making brand that it is. I do not believe that for one second and that's why I feel that this IS a football issue and an NCAA issue. You guys lost some recruits because of this....good recruits. If this came out 10 years ago, it's safe to say you would have lost recruits back then. So, it's reasonable to conclude that you could have won some games back then that you should not have won....maybe even gotten to a bowl game or 2 that you would not have gotten to otherwise. Therefore, covering this up benefited the football program and the money making machine that it is. It's pretty simple in my book.

    boomboom

  • maci57 said...

    Ohio State now has every player on their team paying for what someone else before them did and yet it was a mere case of selling what BELONGED to them. Of coarse a coach tried to cover up but let's face it, covering up what Tressel did compared to what Joe P did is completely beyond imagination. I agree that the current players should not be held responsible for what some idiot scum bag did before them but every effort should be made to expose everything that Jo Pa did and expose him for what he was.
    I also believer that in some way this complete mess led to Joes death sooner than it would have been.

    in this instance it is spelled course not coarse

    wildebuck

  • You need to look at Paterno like any other person and judge him over his entire lifetime and career. He made a horrible mistake and misjudgment in covering up for Sandusky. It looks particularly aggregious especially with the benefit of hindsight (I believe Paterno when he said he didn't know or understand the full scope of Sandusky's actions), but it doesn't necessarily wipe away all the good he did. This killed Paterno, his memory will forever be besmerched, I don't know what more you want PSU fans to do or say. My guess is their program will get the death penalty from the NCAA for the institutional cover-up. I'd say they will be out for at least a couple years.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    You need to look at Paterno like any other person and judge him over his entire lifetime and career. He made a horrible mistake and misjudgment in covering up for Sandusky.

    this logic makes absolutely no sense. if joe paterno knowingly covered up and helped a child rapist get away with it, it's all ok because of all the other good he did? that's a joke and that's the exact problem with this whole situation. people keep giving joe pa the benefit of doubt, for what purpose? cause he did good? guess what, maybe he wasnt as good of a person as everyone believed he was. i just think america has been way too naive about this and arent processing that joe paterno knew for 10+ years this guy raped a child. he's such a high moral guy why didnt he do anything about it? because it would of hurt his legacy and hurt the brand of penn state football and the truck load of $$$$$ that brand name carried.

    im sick of the joe pa was a saint so it's ok he harbored a rapist for over a decade.

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  • All4PSU said...

    The thought that players and coaches and a program that had no connection to these events could be severely punished for the acts of a few is hard to phathom.

    this happens every single day in every single business in america/world. that's life. preaching this to ohio state fans probably isnt the best group to be asking for sympathy from.

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  • great2belucky said...

    this logic makes absolutely no sense. if joe paterno knowingly covered up and helped a child rapist get away with it, it's all ok because of all the other good he did? that's a joke and that's the exact problem with this whole situation. people keep giving joe pa the benefit of doubt, for what purpose? cause he did good? guess what, maybe he wasnt as good of a person as everyone believed he was. i just think america has been way too naive about this and arent processing that joe paterno knew for 10+ years this guy raped a child. he's such a high moral guy why didnt he do anything about it? because it would of hurt his legacy and hurt the brand of penn state football and the truck load of $$$$$ that brand name carried.

    im sick of the joe pa was a saint so it's ok he harbored a rapist for over a decade.

    Right on lucky.

    boomboom

  • JAG24 said...

    You need to look at Paterno like any other person and judge him over his entire lifetime and career. He made a horrible mistake and misjudgment in covering up for Sandusky. It looks particularly aggregious especially with the benefit of hindsight (I believe Paterno when he said he didn't know or understand the full scope of Sandusky's actions), but it doesn't necessarily wipe away all the good he did. This killed Paterno, his memory will forever be besmerched, I don't know what more you want PSU fans to do or say. My guess is their program will get the death penalty from the NCAA for the institutional cover-up. I'd say they will be out for at least a couple years.

    You believe Paterno?? Really?? I wonder why he fired Sandusky back in the late 90s when he was one of the best defensive coaches in the country. Because he knew jag.....he knew. Joe knew enough to fire him and have his career pretty much halted.

    boomboom

  • All4PSU said...

    Really? The fans were on to this and we chose to let it go? A lot if people are at fault, but fans had nothing to do with this. I won't speak for all PSU fans, but as for me, I am very disappointed in how this tragedy occurred and went unreported for years. This terrible story will carry on for years to come and will always be a sad chapter in my book of being a fan of PSU. It is not a position I would wish on any fan to be in, but as you make your comments and call for drastic punishments, put yourself in our shoes. Imagine how you would feel if this had happened to your university. We have sports to try to escape the everyday crap this world throws at us. The thought that players and coaches and a program that had no connection to these events could be severely punished for the acts of a few is hard to phathom. I do not pretend to know how this will play out, but I do know hat it has been a terrible 7 months and I'm sure more misery is to come. Just keep this in perspective and who is really to blame. We are no different than you. We love our team and our university and we hope that better days are soon to come.

    Understand your feelings...... I just hope you have come to the realization that Joe was part of the problem. I was involved in a situation like this once. I reported it, saw that nothing was done and tried to follow up with my superior. I took matters into my own hands and called police. When he found out he wrote me up. I told him I would sign his paper, but that I resign effective immediately. I also told him that if I saw him on the street that I would fill his cocky little grin with false teeth and that criminals like him need severe penalties. It turns out I was right all along......

    GABuckgrad

  • GABuckgrad said...

    Understand your feelings...... I just hope you have come to the realization that Joe was part of the problem. I was involved in a situation like this once. I reported it, saw that nothing was done and tried to follow up with my superior. I took matters into my own hands and called police. When he found out he wrote me up. I told him I would sign his paper, but that I resign effective immediately. I also told him that if I saw him on the street that I would fill his cocky little grin with false teeth and that criminals like him need severe penalties. It turns out I was right all along......

    Atta boy GA.....you put your job and livelihood on the line to do the right thing and protect others. People who had enough money to retire and live on the beach forever couldn't do that. Staying ahead of Bobby Bowden appeared to have been more important for St Joseph.

    boomboom