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Pocic commits to LSU

  • It will help after we actually play this season. I suspect our line will perform significantly better than it has in the past which will show high school players that we can actually coach the OL now. It also won't hurt that our play-calling will not be predictable like it has in the past, which was one of the reasons the OL had a hard time of it. I'm sure it wasn't easy when we had 5 guys on the line, and the opposing defense brought 7 or 8 to get to the QB and idiot Bollman continued to call Dave up the gut.

    Razorback

  • miguelissimo said...

    I'm not sure how much or what sort of negative recruiting other coaches are doing. In fact, I bet smart coaches don't say anything at all about OSU since the are aware of similar problems within their own program.

    The negative perception is their but as Tornado notes, Urban is still pulling in top ten classes. For whatever reason, we are still having problems drawing OTs.

    +1

    PR 101: The more you talk about someone else, even negatively, the more you legitimize them. That's why PR people (irresponsibly) say there's no such thing as negative publicity. Example: when Mitt Romney was being raked over the coals by his GOP opponents, he never reciprocated. If coaches are smart, they don't bash OSU. If nothing else, it says they fear us and especially fear us if the kid were to play for us. It's like our mothers used to tell us: If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

    iowabuckeyes

  • We all know high school ratings are overrated, but especially for OLs, who are typically late bloomers--best example: Riley Reiff, who was a 6-6/230 DE in South Dakota. I doubt anyone projected him to be the second OL taken in the 2012 draft. Here's a 2012 NFL Draft recap for the 17 offensive linemen taken in the first three rounds (HS ratings by Scout):

    1. Kalil, Matt, T, 6'6", 306, USC, Round 1 (4th overall), Vikings, 2008 5-star
    2. Reiff, Riley, T, 6'6", 313, Iowa, Round 1 (23), Lions, 2008 3-star DE
    3. DeCastro, David, G, 6'5", 316, Stanford, Round 1 (24), Steelers , 2008 4-star
    4. Zeitler, Kevin, G, 6'4", 314, Wisconsin, Round 1 (27), Bengals, 2008 3-star
    5. Schwartz, Mitchell, T, 6'5", 318, California, Round 2 (37), Browns, 2007 3-star
    6. Silatolu, Amini, T, 6'4", 311, Midwestern State, Round 2 (40), Panthers, 2009 2-star as a JC; unranked in HS
    7. Glenn, Cordy, T, 6'5", 345, Georgia, Round 2 (41), Bills, 2008 4-star
    8. Martin, Jonathan, T, 6'5", 312, Stanford, Round 2 (42), Dolphins, 2008 3-star
    9. Allen, Jeff,OT, 6'4", 307, Illinois, Round 2 (44), Chiefs, 2008 2-star
    10. Adams, Mike, T, 6'7", 323, Ohio State, Round 2 (56), Steelers, 2008 5-star
    11. Konz, Peter, C, 6'5", 314, Wisconsin, Round 2 (55), Falcons, 2008 3-star
    12. Osemele, Kelechi, T, 6'5", 333, Iowa State, Round 2 (60), Ravens, 2007 2-star
    13. LeRibeus, Josh, G, 6'3", 312, SMU, Round 3 (71), Redskins, 2007 3-star
    14. Stephenson, Donald, T, 6'6", 312, Oklahoma, Round 3 (74), Chiefs, 2007 3-star
    15. Brooks, Brandon, G, 6'5", 343, Miami (OH), Round 3 (76), Texans, 2007 2-star
    16. Holmes, Lamar, T, 6'5", 323, Southern Miss, Round 3 (91), Falcons, 2009 3-star as a JC; unranked in HS
    17. Bergstrom, Tony, T, 6'5", 313, Utah, Round 3 (95), Raiders, 2005 2-star

    Notice that none of the 17 were hardships—all were in college at least 4 years. 4 went 5 years, which means they were redshirted as freshmen. Bergstrom graduated in 2005…went on a 2-year Mormon mission after HS…will turn 26 in August.

    Only 2 were 5-stars, 2 were 4-stars, 8 were 3-stars, and 5 were 2-stars, including who weren’t ranked as HS seniors and went to JCs. In other words, a guy has a statistically better chance of playing in the NFL if he's a 2-star or 3-star than if he;s a 4-star or 5-star.

    Brewster was a 5-star and not drafted. As was Pitt's Luke Nix. Those are just two that immediately come to mind; there were others, not to mention a lot of 4-stars.

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Only 2 were 5-stars, 2 were 4-stars, 8 were 3-stars, and 5 were 2-stars, including who weren’t ranked as HS seniors and went to JCs. In other words, a guy has a statistically better chance of playing in the NFL if he's a 2-star or 3-star than if he;s a 4-star or 5-star.

    Brewster was a 5-star and not drafted. As was Pitt's Luke Nix. Those are just two that immediately come to mind; there were others, not to mention a lot of 4-stars.

    Great, informative post iowa! I'd upvote this many times if I could. I agree that projecting OL is tremendously difficult. In this scenario, I just trust the coaching staff and hope for the best. We'll know in a few years how well the OL talent evaluation has gone.

    Zeuslerus

  • You people worry to much. It's EARLY in the process for 13'.
    They will wait after all of the summer camps to see who they want. Some of these kids OSU cooled on.
    That's why they are more focused on the 14' class at his point for OL.
    Remember, Bollman brought in players that were low on the food chain like Michigan is doing now.
    And... the ones that were labeled as good. Datish, Boone, Adams, Shugarts, and Brewster suffered from
    terrible techique and lack of coaching. It became more evident with this past spring with what UM has instituted.

    djjonesy

  • Like Razor said, we have to play a season first before the national recruiting really steps up. We just came off a terrible season and got a new coach and system. Proven yes but still new. We lost out on him to LSU, who just won the S E C and played for a NC. Not too bad IMO.

    BuckDigger

  • Of the top 4 teams going into the bowls this season, only Stanford had an OL drafted in the first three rounds (they actually had two: DeCastro and Martin). That's not to suggest Alabama, LSU and Okie State didn't have great OL talent. But the OL, more than any other group, must work together as a unit. They must be a human wall, a shield, a road plow, a gate. So while individually they may not earn the accolades other OLs do, as a unit success is defined by performing well as one. They used to be characterized as the big, dumb, slow guys;l not anymore--it's a position that requires intelligence, strength, athleticism and chemistry. Plenty of mediocre RBs and QBs have been made to look great playing behind great OLs but few great RBs and QBs will look great playing behind a mediocre OL.

    The image that always comes to my mind when I think about OLs is the scene in Ben-Hur when he first sees the team of horses he'll eventually drive in the chariot race in Jerusalem. As they are rounding a turn around the oasis, he predicts that they won't be able to hold the turn and sure enough they don't. But by switching them around so that the slowest but steadiest horse is on the inside and the one with the most stamina is on the outside, they are able to perform better as a unit and win the race. That's where talent meets coaching.

    Ed Warinner should be a pre-season favorite to win national assistant coach of the year.

    iowabuckeyes