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Question about Meyer's Florida Loss to Carr's Michigan Team

  • skittlebrau said...

    UF had a horrible offense that year ('07) in which they lost 9 starters from the championship team that beat OSU.

    That is something that is rarey brought up about OSU two championship losses. OSU had young teams both years while the opponents were heavily senior/junior dominated teams. OSU had seniors in the skill positions but were very young on D in 2006. They were fortunate much of the year, got exposed against Michigan.

    pistol

  • pistol said...

    That is something that is rarey brought up about OSU two championship losses. OSU had young teams both years while the opponents were heavily senior/junior dominated teams. OSU had seniors in the skill positions but were very young on D in 2006. They were fortunate much of the year, got exposed against Michigan.

    Holy crap, just realized in my first post that I said UF had a horrible "offense" that year, when I clearly meant to say DEFENSE. But I think everyone figured it out.

    skittlebrau

  • mcjb said...

    Hey - I'm truly excited about Meyer's hiring.

    One question though for the experts: why did he lose in the Capitol One bowl in 2008 to Michigan? How do we know that wouldn't happen again?

    That was also a very senior led team (Mike Hart, Chad Henne, Jake Long) who was trying to win a game for their already fired coach. Lots of inspiration going into that game and also having a chance to knock off the defending champs I am sure helped too.

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  • 16_Boom said...

    Because Carr did what Tressel didn't do, run the ball right into their D-line. I think if we load up and run the "I", which we had some success with the few times we did it, the NC game is a lot different.

    You couldn't be more wrong. Carr abandoned his power run game, went four- and five-wide, and threw the ball all around the yard. Henne had like 400 passing yards or something crazy like that. Michigan showed little I formation in that game.

    Of course, that was 2007 when the defense was young and inexperienced.
    The next year, they were badass.

    Neptune

  • mcjb said...

    Hey - I'm truly excited about Meyer's hiring.

    One question though for the experts: why did he lose in the Capitol One bowl in 2008 to Michigan? How do we know that wouldn't happen again?

    I know he's going to improve our team. I still think its going to be difficult to replicate what Tressel did.... Tressel's consistency is difficult to replicate in any conference. If there is anyone that can do it, it would be Saban, Stoops, or Urban.

    Thoughts?

    Because scUM was a good football team that year and played well in the bowl. I believe Henne had a helluva game.

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  • Did you watch the game? I think you are just looking at the stat sheets. Go back and see a game film and you'll figure it out. But let's stick with stats for a minute. Let's see, they had 39 pass plays - how many other/running plays does that leave in your average game? If they got 151 yds at 3.2 yds per carry, that means about 47 running plays. Does that sound like they didn't "tote the rock"? Geesh. Michigan ran a balanced offense and kept Florida honest with an effective running game, then gouged them on the passing game.

    Also, how old were you in 2006 during the NC game and how much did you understand about football? Because Urban ran a press defense in that game that, like the spread offense, is meant to be a talent equalizer. It is a risky option, because if your Defense gets blocked on the rush, there is the possibility for a TD on every play. However, it does delay the QB for 2-3 seconds to figure out who is dropping into coverage and where (as it changes every play) and who is rushing the passer - which confused our O-line blocking assignments. Couple that with the rush scheme off the edge and there you have our offensive problems. Go back and watch our tackles on the DVD....the first move on their pass blocking is to check the inside rush. As soon as our tackle's head (either side) turns in, the DE releases on a speed rush outside. Every time. And Troy was running for his life all night. We didn't even put a back in to try to help slow down the backside rush until late in the game.

    When we loaded up and ran, they went conventional and we had some success running. If we stayed with that, then the play action becomes viable later in the game. You just can't play the spread against the D that Meyer used that night - he knows the spread better than Tress, after all.

    CGHSBuck

  • mcjb said...

    Hey - I'm truly excited about Meyer's hiring.

    One question though for the experts: why did he lose in the Capitol One bowl in 2008 to Michigan? How do we know that wouldn't happen again?

    I know he's going to improve our team. I still think its going to be difficult to replicate what Tressel did.... Tressel's consistency is difficult to replicate in any conference. If there is anyone that can do it, it would be Saban, Stoops, or Urban.

    Thoughts?

    Actually, meechigan had an underachieving team that year that finally put it together in a bowl game..

    Griffinfeb ●

  • Florida was unprepared for that game. Like we were unprepared for the NC game against Florida. Florida figured since they beat us in that game, they would roll a team with a 2ft. tall midget with a 2ft. wide mouth, an underachieving blue chip left tackle, a qb with the worlds tightest helmet, and a kicker with a fupa...................................dominated for their whole 4 years by tOSU.

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  • I remember that game... Both teams struggled badly. None of the teams wanted to win. Florida practically gave Michigan the game on a couple of bone headed plays and Michigan tried to give it back to Florida. Michigan came out winners..

    julioolivo2

  • Chad L said...

    Florida was unprepared for that game. Like we were unprepared for the NC game against Florida. Florida figured since they beat us in that game, they would roll a team with a 2ft. tall midget with a 2ft. wide mouth, an underachieving blue chip left tackle, a qb with the worlds tightest helmet, and a kicker with a fupa...................................dominated for their whole 4 years by tOSU.

    Classic!

    Brute Buck

  • 16_Boom said...

    Did you watch the game? I think you are just looking at the stat sheets. Go back and see a game film and you'll figure it out. But let's stick with stats for a minute. Let's see, they had 39 pass plays - how many other/running plays does that leave in your average game? If they got 151 yds at 3.2 yds per carry, that means about 47 running plays. Does that sound like they didn't "tote the rock"? Geesh. Michigan ran a balanced offense and kept Florida honest with an effective running game, then gouged them on the passing game.

    Also, how old were you in 2006 during the NC game and how much did you understand about football? Because Urban ran a press defense in that game that, like the spread offense, is meant to be a talent equalizer. It is a risky option, because if your Defense gets blocked on the rush, there is the possibility for a TD on every play. However, it does delay the QB for 2-3 seconds to figure out who is dropping into coverage and where (as it changes every play) and who is rushing the passer - which confused our O-line blocking assignments. Couple that with the rush scheme off the edge and there you have our offensive problems. Go back and watch our tackles on the DVD....the first move on their pass blocking is to check the inside rush. As soon as our tackle's head (either side) turns in, the DE releases on a speed rush outside. Every time. And Troy was running for his life all night. We didn't even put a back in to try to help slow down the backside rush until late in the game.

    When we loaded up and ran, they went conventional and we had some success running. If we stayed with that, then the play action becomes viable later in the game. You just can't play the spread against the D that Meyer used that night - he knows the spread better than Tress, after all.

    That 06 NC game was such a friggin nightmare. Barton and Boone looked like old fat guys trying to block Harvey and the other DE for Fla. Just a total dumpster fire. I would have never thought in a million years anubody could make Troy Smith look so pedestrian.

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  • julioolivo2 said...

    I remember that game... Both teams struggled badly. None of the teams wanted to win. Florida practically gave Michigan the game on a couple of bone headed plays and Michigan tried to give it back to Florida. Michigan came out winners..

    ......even though he claims to be a virgin Tim Tebow munched carpet in that game, whether he liked it or not.

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  • mcjb said...

    Hey - I'm truly excited about Meyer's hiring.

    One question though for the experts: why did he lose in the Capitol One bowl in 2008 to Michigan? How do we know that wouldn't happen again?

    I know he's going to improve our team. I still think its going to be difficult to replicate what Tressel did.... Tressel's consistency is difficult to replicate in any conference. If there is anyone that can do it, it would be Saban, Stoops, or Urban.

    Thoughts?

    Because Lloyd Carr retired. That's how.

    ericgobucks

  • 16_Boom said...

    Did you watch the game? I think you are just looking at the stat sheets. Go back and see a game film and you'll figure it out. But let's stick with stats for a minute. Let's see, they had 39 pass plays - how many other/running plays does that leave in your average game? If they got 151 yds at 3.2 yds per carry, that means about 47 running plays. Does that sound like they didn't "tote the rock"? Geesh. Michigan ran a balanced offense and kept Florida honest with an effective running game, then gouged them on the passing game.

    Also, how old were you in 2006 during the NC game and how much did you understand about football? Because Urban ran a press defense in that game that, like the spread offense, is meant to be a talent equalizer. It is a risky option, because if your Defense gets blocked on the rush, there is the possibility for a TD on every play. However, it does delay the QB for 2-3 seconds to figure out who is dropping into coverage and where (as it changes every play) and who is rushing the passer - which confused our O-line blocking assignments. Couple that with the rush scheme off the edge and there you have our offensive problems. Go back and watch our tackles on the DVD....the first move on their pass blocking is to check the inside rush. As soon as our tackle's head (either side) turns in, the DE releases on a speed rush outside. Every time. And Troy was running for his life all night. We didn't even put a back in to try to help slow down the backside rush until late in the game.

    When we loaded up and ran, they went conventional and we had some success running. If we stayed with that, then the play action becomes viable later in the game. You just can't play the spread against the D that Meyer used that night - he knows the spread better than Tress, after all.

    Agree and in addition when Ginn went out after returning the opening KO for a TD Florida was able to tighten down the screws that much more.

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  • TheBuckeyenut said...

    Get the fuck out of here you stupid fuckn meshitagain fan.buckeyes

    to much crack there buddy?

    buckahilly ●

  • Yep, with Ginn in the game and his connection with Troy, there is an odds on chance that they just run fly or post patterns for Ginn and have Troy hoist it on a timing route. If they are on, Ginn gets behind that D and Troy can throw it early downfield and let Ginn go get it. There was only one safety deep at the snap the whole game. Two or three of those for TDs and Florida has to come out of that Defense. I thought for sure they would adjust and have Gonzalez, who was supposedly as fast or faster than Ginn, do the same thing.

    On the Meatchicken/Florida game, the thing I remember most about the game was Hart killing them on the sprint draw. They played with Hart next to Henne the whole game and would show pass and then hand it to him on a delayed draw. He had quite a few runs that were 10+ yards. If he didn't get it, he was an extra blocker on the ends. Worked pretty well.

    CGHSBuck

  • Neptune said...

    You couldn't be more wrong. Carr abandoned his power run game, went four- and five-wide, and threw the ball all around the yard. Henne had like 400 passing yards or something crazy like that. Michigan showed little I formation in that game.

    Of course, that was 2007 when the defense was young and inexperienced. The next year, they were badass.

    Apparently you are a young Gator fan - maybe you don't remember the game well. Hart ran sprint draws off play action and killed you guys. It froze your linebackers because, if they dropped immediately, Henne handed it to Hart and he would get 8-10 yds or more. If they stayed up on the run, which they did most of the night, Henne hit the crossing patterns right behind them - all night. That is the reason for a balanced attack.

    Oh, and they ran straight "I" formation on their 8 yd TD run right up the gut.

    CGHSBuck

  • Neptune said...

    You couldn't be more wrong. Carr abandoned his power run game, went four- and five-wide, and threw the ball all around the yard. Henne had like 400 passing yards or something crazy like that. Michigan showed little I formation in that game.

    Of course, that was 2007 when the defense was young and inexperienced. The next year, they were badass.

    you and jpfbuck are 100% spot on.

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  • Bearbuck said...

    you and jpfbuck are 100% spot on.

    Well, OK, I guess that makes you all correct, then, cause you said so....but you should probably go look at some tape from the game. Heck, just hit the highlights on YouTube or something.

    CGHSBuck

  • goby said...

    Um sorry dude, but 150 yards against a good Florida defense is like 250 against Indiana. 150 yds is plenty when you are trying to play a little ball control and keep the other team off balance so they cant just load up and rush 8 people. I watched that game between Meatchicken and Flo Rida. Meatchicken, lined up and just beat those guys...period!

    I was concerned about that the results from that game as well, but something that Meyer said made me feel a bit more confident. Sometimes the players are different, in different regions. Florida didn't have a power back, unless you count Tebow, he was their short yardage guy really. Up here he will have bigger backs so we can run the I formation more often and not just rely on getting outside or gimmickry. I think he saw what happened to RichRod and knows that you cannot just take the exact same thing you did somewhere else and install it at another place and be successful. He is a smart guy, IF, he can find that balance between power and speed, we will be very difficult to defend.

    There are plenty of bigger backs down south. Trent Richardson is from Pensacola. Problem is the big physical backs you refer to would pick teams like LSU, Alabama, etc because of pro style offenses. Urban is an elite recruiter,-but he didn't always get everyone on his radar. Gator fans grumbled plenty while he was here about the lack of a power running game.

    You are right though,-up there,-he will have plenty of big physical backs to choose from along with some smaller speedy guys he can pick up from about anywhere he wants too.

    SEC1

  • ericgobucks said...

    Because Lloyd Carr retired. That's how.

    I wish those clowns could have done the same thing for Fickell last week

    santy

  • buckeyeundrgrnd said...

    Don't forget, that Michigan team had pretty much everyone back from the year before when we beat them 42-39 with our dream team. I know they lost to Appalachain State early on, but they, like us against Florida the year before, just thought they had to show up and get the W, and Michigan was rattled with injuries to key players early on in the season too. When they played Florida in the bowl game, they had everyone healthy and wanted to win one for Lloyd Carr. I don't fault Meyer for losing one bowl game to Michigan. Hell, Cooper beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl right before we hired him, and you see where that got us ... 2-10-1 against Michigan. Urban Meyer will do just fine at Ohio State. Great days are coming Buckeye Nation!

    Exactly. People forget (esp. scUM fans) that Henne and Hart were hurt for much of the year, and they got healty for that game. That team would've been a BCS team if everyone had stayed healthy. They also were playing for Lloyd. It also was a rebuilding year of sorts for Urban. he lost a lot from that '06 team, and bounce back he did in a big way the next year

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  • First let me be perfectly clear: I don't like Ann Arbor College. But I was very impressed with how aggressive they were, and diversified, against Fla; remember hoping that Tress was watching and would try the same against LSU. No soap.

    Even an ass-whole gets it right once in awhile.

    The good part is that Urban has had years to grind his teeth over that loss.

    dcraig

  • 16_Boom said...

    Well, OK, I guess that makes you all correct, then, cause you said so....but you should probably go look at some tape from the game. Heck, just hit the highlights on YouTube or something.

    Here's the 1st half of the game. Condensed version...but all significant plays and a lot of scUM plays are shown.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l5J8EYs9NQ

    Plays shown in the i formation = 1

    Running plays shown = 1 (this 1 run in the i formation resulted in a touchdown)

    Passing plays shown = 8 ( resulting in 2 TD's and scUM up at the half 21-14)

    Carr interviewed at the half and explains they for the most part abandoned the running game, went into shot gun formation a majority of the time and spread the field.

    Oh yeah...1st half stats :
    scUM rushing = 62 yards
    scUM passing = 220 yards

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Bearbuck on 12/1/2011 at 11:22 AM

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  • Bearbuck said...

    You are 100% correct.

    Carr's team had everything to play for including trying to eradicate the memory of that horrible loss to App. State. They were pumped up for the game.

    Florida came out flat, probably thinking they'd steam-roll scUM just like they did us....and found themselves in a dog fight!! They'd had a horrible season as well....

    'they'd had a horrible season as well" ..Ok , thats the point! Why did Urban Meyers team, the defending National Champions have a horrible season? How does that happen with Tebow at QB? Why has Urban never had a 1000 yard rusher? Why did Urban Meyer bail on a sinking ship that finished with only 8 wins his last year, and the players he recruited are 6-6 this year?

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