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Anyone who would answer that they would rather get Meyer in here vs. winning a Rose Bowl (and retaining Fickell) has problems and will never be happy. These will be the first people starting the "Fire Meyer" thread the first time the guy loses a few games.

I've seen the term "negabucks" used on this site, and that would be an apt description for this type of fan.

And I'm not a "homer" by any means, I think Meyer would do well here and I'm no Fickell honk. I'm just someone who has been a lifelong OSU guy who tries to bring a reasonable and realistic viewpoint to these discussions.

Excellent point.

My only concern is that if by some stroke of luck we were to win the Rose Bowl (a gargantuan "if"), that means we did it with Bollman as OC.

Assuming Luke were given the job, that would mean that the only way we lose Bollman is if he voluntarily retires. I don't think Fickell would fire him.

Fickell would use the same rationale for not firing Bolls that Gee and Smith would use for not firing Fickell. That is, how can I fire someone that just helped me/us win the Rose Bowl.

We could be stuck with a grotesque Frankenstein or Orc version of Tresselball for several more years.

I wouldn't go that far JAG. I think that's a bit short sighted. Just like people are claiming there are no guarantees about Urban's past results will equate to just as great results in the future--there would be no guarantee Luke would be able to duplicate this season moving forward. So I will not take a 1 year success and give up the opportunity to hire one of the best coaches available in a LONG time.

Would you trade the Sugar Bowl win last year for none of this crap going on here to have ever happened? I would. It's one game.

I am in it for the long haul, not the immediate satisfaction. Plus, I am not sure a Rose Bowl win and getting a better coach and staff are mutually exclusive. I will take both, thank you.

if fick is our coach next season we will NOT be a top 5 team. again fickell has to win out for any of this keep fickell love to continue. what will any fickell supporter say if he loses to one of our next 4 opponents? if we ended up losing to wisconsin you people would be crying like baby's that we choked again and blew another huge lead. everyone knows this

Not to mention that according to today's Dispatch article (see the other thread I posted), it sounds like the coaches didn't even call that last play — Miller and Co. just "winged" it.

Meyer and it's not even close!

Recruits have already signed on with Fickell as coach. If you weren't paying attention, at the 'Shoe on Saturday evening there were like 40 recruits on visits, and we had a few commits/leans our way. In the past, Fickell has been known to be Tressel's CLOSER on recruits.

Also, PLEASE start writing in English and not gibberish. It's very difficult to decipher what you're trying to say.

Why are we making the assumption that if Fickell stays on he wil be here for 30 but if Myer is hired he will be gone in 5? I just don't understand people. Let's pass on a guy who has had success every where he has been and has won 2 NC in the strongest conference in the NCAA, for a guy who has shown so far to be an average coach wth questionable decision making and was 20 seconds away from losing (blowing) a big game if it wasn't for a hail mary, all because he is a true Buckeye at heart and will be here 30 years. Wasn't it said that the OSU job was Myers dream job and he had an out clause in hie Florida contract to come here if they offered?

If Luke is kept on board I will support him and hope he brings this program back in a big way. I love the guy and wish that he could stay even if we don't keep him as head coach. The one thing I will not do though is support Jim Bollman keeping any job here at tOSU. The guy HAS to go or I fear for our offense. I'm not asking to pass the ball 40 times per game and I like having a dominant run game, but the play calling so far has been predictable and his o-lineman for the most part are constant underachievers.

Depends on how you look at it. Of course they did not say "well Braxton drop back but then look to take off, but then look downfield
because we'll have Devin running a deep route in the end zone, so don't run it and throw it to him because the D will be keying on you
and not paying attention to the deep ball".

But they did call a pass play, which resulted in pocket pressure, and Braxton started to run. At this point in most ANY play, the receivers
improv a bit.

Secondly, I would bet that the coaches have been working with Braxton on his downfield vision when running, which is something that
comes with maturity and coaching. So, that prep work led to Braxton being ready to make this play Saturday night. The kid still
had to make the play, and it was incredible.

To answer the original post, give me the Rose Bowl any day of the week over Urban Meyer.

Agreed. Fickell has done an admirable job considering the circumstances, but this was no team short on talent which he took over. Fickell is a DC at this point in his career, not a HC. This team is loaded with talent, and there was no reason to let joey b come close to sniffing the field ever again after his performances this year.

Well I don't even want Fickell for 2... So yeah, I'd rather have Urban Meyer for 5 than Fickell for 30... lol.

im just sick of the people that are in this mindset:

"if he wins 8 games he deserves it"
"it's not fair to get rid of him after one year"
"he was put in such a bad position"

Guess what? those arguments suck. life isnt fair so deal with it. luke himself has said he would do nothing different even if it means this is his only season. i have nothing but respect for him, but he's not ready right now. in 10 years? i bet he will be. honestly if i had to put money on it i say we get urban he coaches for 8 seasons and after that fickell is back as our head ball coach. but right now not a chance