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Well thanks for avoiding one of my main points which was OSU was going through a lot of turmoil but still landed a top 5 class. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about you, you avoid facts that get in the way of your agenda. It's ok though I understand that you want to believe everything posted on the Michigan boards because I am sure they are all rock solid journalist which is why they are posting on message boards. If Urban did talk to 6 kids and not flip them that is not really a surprise and I am sure he talked to many others that didn't flip. In fact I bet you probably could look into all coaches and they have a number of people they tried to flip and couldn't. Kalis flipped because we were going through the scandal and lost the coach that had recruited him in the first place. He didn't leave because he bled Maize and blue his whole life. It's fine that he flipped too, these are kids and have the right to make the choice that is best for them. I do like how you're trying to spin Urban into not a great recruiter because he couldn't get 6 kids to flip from Michigan. And the ONLY reason Reeves committed to OSU. Hilarious and Michigan was still recruiting Dunn right when Meyer took the job they even visited him at home when Meyer was the coach.

your right ; my point was ,i think Michigan deserved the Sugar Bowl,they had they highest SOS in conference ,most wins vs top 25 (in conference)

You can't be serious. You guys lost to msu and had the "luxury" of not losing in the championship game, because you weren't good enough to be there.

Aside from the fact that MSU didn't qualify, I can see why the Sugar Bowl would pick UM over MSU. SOS is part of it. UM was the only bowl team who played ten other bowl teams, one of only three who defeated eight bowl teams (LSU and Ok St are the others), and only played one team that finished with a losing record. MSU played two teams that finished 3-9, two that finished 1-11, and played a division 2 team. And in '10 when MSU finished with the most wins in program history, tied for the B10 championship, in their last home game, senior day, they couldn't even fill their own stadium. Subway sandwiches bought thousands of tickets and gave them away to help put asses in seats. Third, when it comes to attracting a national television audience it's no contest.

Deserve has nothing to do with it. If I were running the bowl and my money were on the line, no question which team I'd pick. MSU just doesn't have the draw.

OSU will sign 14-17 kids so they cant be ranked that high..yes the avg Star they get will be top 5 but as far as overall recruiting OSU will end up around 15th overall in 2013 based on size

Didnt Foster give a top 5 already , USC Cal Michigan Stanford and Oregon ,i think he's probably 95% USC so he can play in front of his family.

Everybody knows this is just offseason talk. This is the easy part, talkin' the talk. In about 262 days we are going to see who can walk the walk. On that day winning walks and BS, well is just BS. So we here in Ohio can't wait. 2012 will determine if last year was a fluke aided by a soft schedule and lots of luck on the field or if it was a good year that is a harbinger of things to come for scUM. Hot-fudge Hoke is off to a good start recruiting, but the test comes out on the field not on internet boards where every recruit is a "beast". So we will see soon enough. Which one of you scUM trolls is willing to come here and admit "maybe we were not as good as we thought" if that turns out to be the case? Certainly if you get through next year with less than three or four losses I would say you are doing better than I thought you would. Hell, I bet it feels good to finally have something to get excited about, even if it is misguided and way premature. See you in November, Pretenders!

+1 Would you hang-around a Loser Board like scUM's ??? As much as I hate them...can't blame them for opting for a better class of people to hand-with....

Just saying, I wouldn't be caught DEAD on their board....Never have been there, as far as I know, my Computer Explodes if I were to click on the link...

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So when did the Buckeyes ever leave? One bad year and the decade of dominance is wiped clean? Michigan fans like this are in for a rude reality check

Shits old my friend. We will both have great classes. Does it matter who finishes 2nd or 4th? Top 5 class is great no matter where u r in that group. Give it a rest already. Not all of us UM fans r talking. I for one am just happy we started strong.

You are thinking of a different Foster...we are talking about Foster the WR from PA who is a Buckeye lean right now...#1 WR in the nation