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Razorback said...
Hey Neptune, I've been wanting to ask you (and I apologize for hijacking the thread) -- when Meyer was at Florida and you guys occasionally lost a game -- what would you attribute the reason for the loss? Was it bad gameplanning, bad player execution, bad play-calling, just got beat by a better team (the best reason) etc.? Many of us are used to the reasons that we lost games under Fickell/Bollman & Tressel, and I'm curious what the contributing factors were from your perspective when Florida would lose games? Might give us an idea of what to expect / watch out for.
Thanks.
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Probably all of the above at one time or another, though never usually at once. The seasons in the years 2007 and 2010 notwithstanding, Meyer only lost six games – three of those in the first season, 2005, when he installed a whole new playbook and attitude. We gave him a pass in that season for obvious reasons, and were thrilled the way he owned FSU that first year 34-7. He was outcoached at South Carolina, outmuscled in Baton Rouge, and out-toughed in Bryant-Denny Stadium.
In 2006, we lost at Auburn despite the Tigers inability to score an offensive TD in what was one of the most frustrating games I can remember. We were so pissed at the referees for a fumble ruling that we gave Meyer and his staff a pass – though we played a pretty conservative game offensively.
In 2007 we put up 552 points, but allowed 331. We blamed all of our losses on the defense’s youth and rightly so.
In 2008, we put up 611 points and allowed 181. Our loss to Ole Miss was due to an overly conservative and unimaginative game plan that relied on Tebow running and deep balls to Harvin. We probably still win that game if we didn’t lose three fumbles on our half of the field. Still, a change needed to be made and Meyer made it, installing Rainey and Demps as our backfield double threat (along with Tebow – and Harvin, of course). The offense erupted after that and we steamrolled almost everybody.
The loss in 2009 was to a better-prepared, better coached team – Alabama whipped our ass. We probably had more talent, but Meyer looked like a ghost on the sideline and the team had no fire.
Of course, we recognize that no matter what, you can't win every single game.
The 2010 season was a whole different animal from the previous five seasons for what should be obvious reasons. Many Gator fans were left scratching our heads with the shambles Meyer led us into and ultimately left us wallowing in – something for which he is ultimately responsible and should bear the lion’s share of blame, in my humble opinion. I’m not selling his achievements at UF short, that four-year run was truly special and I’m certainly grateful for what he was able to accomplish while at UF; but I believe he owed us better than he did us, in the end. I may sound petulant (especially in these days of mercenary coaches and the almighty dollar), but I’m left with the impression he did us wrong, especially since we made him what he is – the most coveted coaching commodity in the game, bar none.
He took a year off, got rejuvenated, refocused, and (by his own account) is ready to get after it again. If you get 2008 Meyer – the world’s your oyster. If you get Meyer circa 2010, look out.
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M Runner said...
That's a back-assward way of looking at it.
Florida was mired in mediocrity under Zook before Meyer got there....you guys had a less than stellar season after he left. But you guys made Meyer???? WTF. That's laughable.
The guy has won everywhere he's been, he's a tireless recruiter, and the players think he's a rock star. But you made him??? lol..wow.
You guys will NEVER achieve the same success with a different coach. But you made him. I'm freaking speechless.
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M Runner said...
That's a back-assward way of looking at it.
Florida was mired in mediocrity under Zook before Meyer got there....you guys had a less than stellar season after he left. But you guys made Meyer???? WTF. That's laughable.
The guy has won everywhere he's been, he's a tireless recruiter, and the players think he's a rock star. But you made him??? lol..wow.
You guys will NEVER achieve the same success with a different coach. But you made him. I'm freaking speechless.
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Ohioz Finezt said...
There's no doubt Urban Meyer made Florida. Spurrier was looked at as a God down there and he only won 1 championship. Urban came in and dominated and won 2. Urban's been a winner everywhere he's gone so i don't think it was any particular program that can claim to have held his success. He holds his own success with his work ethic and willingness to win
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Neptune said...
I agree and never meant to imply that Meyer wasn’t successful before he came to Florida. My point was that Florida gave him the ultimate platform to demonstrate his abilities. He didn’t become the rock star he is because of Bowling Green or Utah. I think I explained what I meant in my response to MRunner above.
Now this: “There's no doubt Urban Meyer made Florida. Spurrier was looked at as a God down there and he only won 1 championship. Urban came in and dominated and won 2.”
Spurrier is viewed as a God for the following:
Spurrier DOMINATED the league for 12 years. He revolutionized ball in the SEC and began the arms race that still pervades conference ball.
For his tenure at Florida, he has the highest winning percentage in SEC games of ANY SEC coach, ever, including Bryant.
He never lost more than 2 conference games in a season, and that only happened 3 times in 12 seasons.
Won one national championship (1996), and played for another (1995)
Won six SEC championships (1991, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 2000) Most of us count 1990, too, when we won it on the field.
Won at least nine games in each of his twelve seasons, one of only three coaches in major college football history to do so.
Averaged more than ten wins per season.
Ranked in the final top fifteen in each of his twelve seasons, including nine top-ten finishes, five final top-five rankings, and an average end-of-season ranking of 6.8
Appeared among the top 25 teams in the weekly polls 202 of a possible 203 weeks, including each of his last 202 consecutive weeks. The Gators were ranked 1 in the polls 29 times, appeared among the top 5 teams for 117 weeks, and among the nation's top 10 teams for 179 weeks. All records.
Appeared in a bowl game in each of his last 11 seasons, one of only five schools to do so during the same time period.
Only coach in major college history to win as many as 120 games in his first 12 seasons at one school (an overall record of 122–27–1, with a winning percentage of .8167)
One of only two coaches in major college history to win ten or more games in six consecutive seasons (1993–1998)
Only college football team to score at least 500 points, including bowl games, for four consecutive years (1993–1996) since the NCAA began keeping statistics in 1937.
And one of two SEC coaches to win four straight conference titles (Bryant was the other one.)
Since 1990, the Gators have won more games (217) than any other college football team in Div. I ball. Meyer won 65 in six years. Spurrier won 122 in 12.
Spurrier made Florida. Meyer stood on his shoulders.
I don’t mean to discount Meyer’s achievements at Florida or what he brought to the table, but to say he made Florida is ignorant. Maybe what I said above in my first post about Florida making him was ignorant, too. I should have said it better. I meant to say we gave him the ultimate platform to demonstrate his abilities and for that, some of us think he should have taken better care of us in 2010. That’s all.
Okay, now this thread was supposed to be about an impending transfer – so I’ll take my seat…
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