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Update on Dunn

  • Look all my fellow true members of Buckeye Nation. Your words of common sense will always fall on deaf ears with the fan base from TSUN this particular Recruiting Season.

    They're having a successful Recruiting year solely based on our Program having the well publicized issues we have been dealing with. It is a foregone conclusion without a doubt that other Coaches especially Coach Hoke are negative Recruiting when it comes to Ohio State. That is something that we don't need to waste our breath even debating anymore.

    Secondly TSUN has always survived on Ohio players, all the way back to Dennis Franklin, they would not be relevant or have all their wins without having their star players from our State (Woodson,Howard,Grbac,Manningham) to name a few.

    We all know on a even playing Field, Strobel and Kalis to name a few would be Buckeyes no question about it and we all know this. So let those TSUN jackasses revel in their fleeting Recruiting success, since they have been church mouse quiet the last several years. One thing they are forgetting, this amazing Class they're crowing about won't see the field until NEXT SEASON!! has nothing to with 2011, while our three straight Top Ten Classes (2011 was a Top 5 by the way), will be on the field THIS SEASON!!! big difference. We will see u in Ann Arbor, bring your big talk then!!!

    Lastly if Brionte Dunn doesnt honor his Commitment so be it.

    geoditt

  • ahoyfrmmi said...

    Good Lord....you guys can admit that Hoke scares the crap out of you anytime now. All this about negative recruiting, foul name calling, thread after thread about a coach that hasn't even coached in one of THE GAMEs as a yet HC yet. But holy crap does he have this fan base wound up.

    Let me ask you....if Kalis was that dumb to believe a rival coach (who has NO FRICKIN' IDEA what the NCAA punishment is going to be) from the school that he was once committed to, telling him that OSU was going to "get pounded" by the NCAA or "OSU punishment is going to be worse than USC", do you really want him and possibly Dunn in buckeye gear? Really????

    IF (and a BIG IF) Hoke was negative recruiting and Kyle/Bri'onte had no interest in Michigan and they were "all Buckeye" wouldn't the conversation go something like this: Brady: "You should come to Michigan. OSU is going to get the death penalty".
    Kalis/Dunn: "Ummmm, maybe they will. But I'm going to wait and see what happens and until then....I'm not visiting because there is plenty of time between Aug 12 and NLOI Day to see many other schools."

    This will probably get me banned from Bucknuts. But the FACT in all of this is that it's called "recruiting" for a reason. And don't think for 1 second that Brady is the fault for Goodman, Pirsig, Kalis, Dodson, McMullen, Strobel, and a whole host of many others to look at different schools. Bottom line is that you had a coach (and a great one) that made a major, MAJOR mistake and an awesome QB who made some very poor decisions. It has nothing to do with Brady Hoke and everything to do with your former Head Coach, former starting QB, and a few other players who are currently on the team that has gotten your beloved program in the situation that its in.

    Thank you for what you have said , we all now have the IQ of scUM fans. Let me see, players and parents say he is talking and planting some seeds of doubt about possible sanctions and his continual pressure on already committed kids..... Hmmm yep sounds like he is a real forthright gem.

    THEnutbuster

  • MITbuck313 said...

    I agree with this post, except for the Hoke scares the crap out of us line. I mean how could he? He hasn't had that much success at lower levels. I know I know, JT was from D1AA before he came here but he was very successful. I mean what 4 national championships? I am not saying BH won't win I am just saying I for one am not scared the crap out of by him and neither is the rest of Buckeye nation I am guessing. We are just extremely pissed and a lot of people are sensitive to the situation because of all the crap our program put us through this off season.

    The rest of your post I do agree with though. If the tables were turned we would be loving every minute of it. And the head coach of our program was forced out and there is instability around here. On top of that the current coach has never been a head coach before so that may not instill a lot of confidence. Thankfully the season will be starting in like a month and not a moment too soon either.

    scUM is pathetic at best. JT and coaches wouldn't need to take advantage of any thing negative about scUM. Its simple, they are who they are. Their recruiting took a dive dut to the azz whipping JT unleashed on scUM for the last decade as opposed to Jabba the Hoke recruiting on the fact they're MICHIG@N, what the hell is there to brag about? Listen up recruits back in the Cooper days we were really good, we are the most winning program and our lead is slipping faster the United States Dollar. BULLSH!T

    This post was edited by THEnutbuster on 8/2/2011 at 9:27 PM

    THEnutbuster

  • That blog and what he offered is useless garbage that proves nothing. I could say with the government passing a bill today to keep us from default, Obama may get a favorable uptick in voters returns in straw polls this week. Useless garbage from TomVH.
    Rivals UofM reported just what Penn State's two sites did Wednesday, Dunn is solid to OSU and he is just taking visits and is 100% solid to OSU, they did not use opaque wiggle words that add up to nothing.
    The Browns are chipping away at a Super Bowl appearance.

    ohiost83 ●

  • ItalianBuck said...

    He maybe recruiting better that DicRod did but you can't convince me he's any better of a coach than him. The only difference between him and DicRod is 120–84–2 even with his losses at Michigan, he also earned Big East Coach of the Year. Joke is 47–50 that's impressive, if I was a recruit I would come running!!

    Hoke is a good football coach. If Michigan didnt hire him he would have replaced Harbaugh at Stanford. He inherited 2 programs in shambles and turned them both around, Ball State and SDSU were MAJOR rebuilding jobs. This is reflected in his overall record. Ball State was his first head coaching job so it took him longer to get it turned around but once he got his system in place they won 12 games. SDSU was terrible and Hoke turned them around in just 2 years, winning a bowl game last season.
    How bad of a coach could he be considering he was voted the coach of the year in two different conferences in only a three year span, 2008 MAC coach of the year, 2010 MWC coach of the year. Thats impressive, unless you are a Buckeye in denial.

    BTW, With G. Mattison coaching the defense rather than RR and his joke of a staff, you will see a huge difference.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by paranoidandroid on 8/3/2011 at 7:10 AM

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  • paranoidandroid said...

    Hoke is a good football coach. If Michigan didnt hire him he would have replaced Harbaugh at Stanford. He inherited 2 programs in shambles and turned them both around, Ball State and SDSU were MAJOR rebuilding jobs. This is reflected in his overall record. Ball State was his first head coaching job so it took him longer to get it turned around but once he got his system in place they won 12 games. SDSU was terrible and Hoke turned them around in just 2 years, winning a bowl game last season. How bad of a coach could he be considering he was voted the coach of the year in two different conferences in only a three year span, 2008 MAC coach of the year, 2010 MWC coach of the year. Thats impressive, unless you are a Buckeye in denial.

    BTW, With G. Mattison coaching the defense rather than RR and his joke of a staff, you will see a huge difference.

    No offense but coach of the year awards are a joke. Your last coach won one as well in 2002 and we see where that got him in the Big Ten. The 2 conferences that Hoke coached in aren't exactly perennial football powerhouses so I wouldn't hang my hat on that. Like I said before, not saying he won't be successful but to base it off of awards in 2 conferences that aren't the most competitive isn't exactly telling either.

    This post was edited by MITbuck313 on 8/3/2011 at 8:47 AM

    MITbuck313 ●

  • Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/Playoffs Coaches# AP°
    Ball State Cardinals (Mid-American Conference) (2003–2008)
    2003 Ball State 4–8 3–5 T–4th (West)
    2004 Ball State 2–9 2–6 6th (West)
    2005 Ball State 4–7 4–4 5th (West)
    2006 Ball State 5–7 5–3 T–3rd (West)
    2007 Ball State 7–6 5–2 2nd (West) L International
    2008 Ball State 12–1 8–0 1st (West) L GMAC* 22
    Ball State: 34–38 27–20 * Lost in MAC championship game. Did not coach in bowl game.
    San Diego State Aztecs (Mountain West Conference) (2009–2010)
    2009 San Diego State 4–8 2–6 7th
    2010 San Diego State 9–4 5–3 T–3rd W Poinsettia
    San Diego State: 13–12 7–9

    Yeah right real impressive, give me a break!! Where's the link that shows he was going to replace Harbaugh?
    Has he had any players receive money yet for books for classes they never even attended, yep he's squeaky clean!!

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    ItalianBuck

  • paranoidandroid said...

    Hoke is a good football coach. If Michigan didnt hire him he would have replaced Harbaugh at Stanford. He inherited 2 programs in shambles and turned them both around, Ball State and SDSU were MAJOR rebuilding jobs. This is reflected in his overall record. Ball State was his first head coaching job so it took him longer to get it turned around but once he got his system in place they won 12 games. SDSU was terrible and Hoke turned them around in just 2 years, winning a bowl game last season. How bad of a coach could he be considering he was voted the coach of the year in two different conferences in only a three year span, 2008 MAC coach of the year, 2010 MWC coach of the year. Thats impressive, unless you are a Buckeye in denial.

    BTW, With G. Mattison coaching the defense rather than RR and his joke of a staff, you will see a huge difference.

    Keep in mind, if my memory serves, Tress won the Big 10 the majority of years he was here, and yet, how many big 10 coach of the year awards were in his office? Those mean nothing, NOTHING. Hoke must raise up his level of play now and Maddy his D coach will have to work with college kids, with limited time...big change from NFL.....we will see how they do against teams/coaches with similar or better abilities....jury is out.
    I am not dishing hoke, just not convinced he is what meatchickens think he is...Remember, Dickrod was highly successful in the Big East, and he found out very quickly, the Big Least is very inferrior to the Big 10.

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  • paranoidandroid said...

    Hoke is a good football coach. If Michigan didnt hire him he would have replaced Harbaugh at Stanford. He inherited 2 programs in shambles and turned them both around, Ball State and SDSU were MAJOR rebuilding jobs. This is reflected in his overall record. Ball State was his first head coaching job so it took him longer to get it turned around but once he got his system in place they won 12 games. SDSU was terrible and Hoke turned them around in just 2 years, winning a bowl game last season. How bad of a coach could he be considering he was voted the coach of the year in two different conferences in only a three year span, 2008 MAC coach of the year, 2010 MWC coach of the year. Thats impressive, unless you are a Buckeye in denial.

    BTW, With G. Mattison coaching the defense rather than RR and his joke of a staff, you will see a huge difference.

    Paranoid come on....

    You have to admit that Michigan hiring Hoke is a much bigger gamble than it was for them to hire Rodriguez. You have to admit that.

    Most of us here aren't saying that he isn't a good coach...he very well may be. But we're talking about Michigan here.....and it's hard for a lot of us to believe that Michigan would hire a guy like Hoke considering in all honesty he has done very little.

    It took him 5 years just to go 7-5. Then in his 6th season he had monster results....but he wasn't at SDSU long enough to really do much of anything.....

    That's all I'm saying really....mainly that I would think Michigan would have sought after someone with a little more credentials or a better winning percentage.

    He is a good coach....and at the levels he has coached at thus far he has gotten results and re-built some programs. It remains to be seen whether he'll continue that trend where the talent is leaps and bounds better than what he has faced so far.....and the talent I'm speaking of is not the talent he is working with....but rather coaching against, not to mention the coaching talent that comes with it.

    Truthfully, I do think you guys have a great chance at beating us this year. But that feeling has very little to do with Brady Hoke as your head coach and much more to do with us having a 1st time ever, 1st year head coach and a very in-experienced QB running the offense. My expectations for our season is anywhere from 7-5 to 9-3. If we accomplish more than that then I'll be very pleased.

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    Bearbuck

  • Also remember that Hoke had Nate Davis at Ball State. While he should obviously get some credit for bringing him in and developing him, having an NFL caliber quarterback in the MAC can mean the difference between a 6-6 season and 12-1. It's a lot easier to bring a star player or two into a MAC program or SDSU and dominate. It doesn't work that way at big schools. Those types of players definitely help, but everyone has those types of guys at the major college level.

    drmiller166

  • drmiller166 said...

    Also remember that Hoke had Nate Davis at Ball State. While he should obviously get some credit for bringing him in and developing him, having an NFL caliber quarterback in the MAC can mean the difference between a 6-6 season and 12-1. It's a lot easier to bring a star player or two into a MAC program or SDSU and dominate. It doesn't work that way at big schools. Those types of players definitely help, but everyone has those types of guys at the major college level.

    +1 drmiller. A further example of this phenomenon is the 2003 GMAC Bowl winning Miami Redhawks (12-1 that season) with QB Ben Roethlisberger and coach Terry Hoeppner. I doubt that there would have been any circumstances under which that "achievement" alone would have diverted Michigan's gaze toward Hoeppner as the potential successor to Lloyd Carr. But it got Indiana's attention.(!) NFL caliber QB with fair to middlin' coach is the key to success in the MAC, not in the B1G.

    This post was edited by Cristobal Oyo on 8/3/2011 at 10:40 AM

    "Show me a gracious loser, and I'll show you a bus boy."—Woody Hayes

    Cristobal Oyo

  • A lot of good points being mentioned....and again, Hoke very well could be a great coach. Time will certainly tell.

    Truth be told he needs as many top recruits as he can get at this level. He may be a good coach and may even become a great coach....

    But I don't think it's going to be as easy as some of the scUM faithful think. It took him 5 years to have a winning season at Ball State. It could take him even longer to do that up north.

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    Bearbuck

  • Bearbuck said...

    A lot of good points being mentioned....and again, Hoke very well could be a great coach. Time will certainly tell.

    Truth be told he needs as many top recruits as he can get at this level. He may be a good coach and may even become a great coach....

    But I don't think it's going to be as easy as some of the scUM faithful think. It took him 5 years to have a winning season at Ball State. It could take him even longer to do that up north.

    SHHHH. That doesn't sound as impressive but maybe thats just "Buckeye denial" and not UM homer delusion.

    MITbuck313 ●

  • BuckeyeMark said...

    I find it ironic all the negative things people from Michigan say about Ohioans: "ignorant" "hicks" "rednecks" etc...

    YET, scUM relies on Ohioans as players and coaches to have a relevant football program.

    Jim Tressel showed scUM what it is without Ohioans. What it was was 9-4 with a loss to Appalachian State, 3-9 with a loss to Toledo, 5-7, and 7-6 with a loss to Mississippi State in its only bowl game in the last 3 years.

    Ohio is the lifeblood of scUM football. Are people from Michigan proud of their scUM football team stocked full of Ohioans?

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    pro nonexpert47380

  • I'm lost, what's the word on Dunn?

    Trackdad

  • I hate Kalis. I hope that he drives off of a cliff on the way to Michigan.

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    Alumnut

  • Fact is, it's a LOOONNNGGG way till signing day. Verbally committed players all over the country will have change of heart decisions, some at the last minute to get their mug on ESPiN, until that name is signed on the dotted line.........it doesn't mean squat!

    Utownbuck

  • ahoyfrmmi said...

    Selective reading on your part. Missing the point completely. You make it sound like that is the ONLY reason Kalis decided not to go to OSU and switch to UM. Give me a break. Heaven forbid you look at what was/is going on with your program right now with an "Interim Head Coach" (no one knows if he's going to be there next year....heck....every board I look at for OSU has numerous threads about who the next coach should be) along with unsettled NCAA punishment. But if you want to blame not getting the recruits that would have been 100% buckeyes on Brady Hoke....more power to ya.

    Oh the irony. Nobody on these boards and I repeat NOBODY is denying our situation has not helped our recruiting, however you seem to be the one in denial about how Jabba the Hoke is recruiting

    THEnutbuster

  • ItalianBuck said...

    Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/Playoffs Coaches# AP° Ball State Cardinals (Mid-American Conference) (2003–2008) 2003 Ball State 4–8 3–5 T–4th (West) 2004 Ball State 2–9 2–6 6th (West) 2005 Ball State 4–7 4–4 5th (West) 2006 Ball State 5–7 5–3 T–3rd (West) 2007 Ball State 7–6 5–2 2nd (West) L International 2008 Ball State 12–1 8–0 1st (West) L GMAC* 22 Ball State: 34–38 27–20 * Lost in MAC championship game. Did not coach in bowl game. San Diego State Aztecs (Mountain West Conference) (2009–2010) 2009 San Diego State 4–8 2–6 7th 2010 San Diego State 9–4 5–3 T–3rd W Poinsettia San Diego State: 13–12 7–9

    Yeah right real impressive, give me a break!! Where's the link that shows he was going to replace Harbaugh? Has he had any players receive money yet for books for classes they never even attended, yep he's squeaky clean!!

    as you requested
    http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/252870-stanfords-next-football-coach-could-be

    paranoidandroid

  • drmiller166 said...

    Also remember that Hoke had Nate Davis at Ball State. While he should obviously get some credit for bringing him in and developing him, having an NFL caliber quarterback in the MAC can mean the difference between a 6-6 season and 12-1. It's a lot easier to bring a star player or two into a MAC program or SDSU and dominate. It doesn't work that way at big schools. Those types of players definitely help, but everyone has those types of guys at the major college level.

    lmao

    paranoidandroid

  • Kyle Kalis?

    OptimoeBuck

  • while i would like to think i hate all scUM fans equally, paranoid is head and shoulders better, more knowledgable, and more realistic than cwood! 1 stat though for u paranoid, hoke has been a hc for 8 years and has NEVER won a conference championship!

    Wvillebuckeye

  • Wvillebuckeye said...

    while i would like to think i hate all scUM fans equally, paranoid is head and shoulders better, more knowledgable, and more realistic than cwood! 1 stat though for u paranoid, hoke has been a hc for 8 years and has NEVER won a conference championship!

    Thanks Wville.. I try to be objective, im sure I fail at times but its understandable when you consider how much emotion goes into this rivalry. Like I said before, until TP showed up I always rooted for OSU except one game a year.

    paranoidandroid

  • Like I said before, until TP showed up I always rooted for OSU except one game a year.

    I call Bullshit on this one too. No way a true fan of Ohio State or Michigan cheers for the other team except maybe in a bowl game because we want the Big 10 to win!

    This post was edited by ItalianBuck on 8/4/2011 at 6:34 AM

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  • ItalianBuck said...

    Like I said before, until TP showed up I always rooted for OSU except one game a year.

    I call Bullshit on this one too. No way a true fan of Ohio State or Michigan cheers for the other team except maybe in a bowl game because we want the Big 10 to win!

    As Henry Fonda says to the young kid in the movie 'Golden Pond':

    "You like that word don't ya?....BullS***!"

    ahoyfrmmi

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