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Urban dropping some brutal honesty

  • Oh Yea- They party alot too so everybody knows Im not saying they dont party. They just feel like sports is their only way out of their environment and they take it very seriously. Its just a little different mindset and theres not a whole lot to do deep down other than make babies, get in trouble or go hard in sports and Ive been there so I know. It is alot different when all your friends are palying sports and working out everyday. What would you do. The decision is really a no-brainer---you compete.

    buckybuckbuck

  • Its the mindset and MR Urban Meyers KNOWS what the problem is. In 2006 He beat the hell out of our arrogant,lazy over-confident, Im your buddy mindset. Now he's gonna beat the hell out of it again. BRAVO!

    buckybuckbuck

  • I know if i was a player I just take it as a challange. Nobody has the right to say their great on that team yet.. that has to be earned. I dont think he is an ass we want to know honest feedback with our team and thats what were getting so far. He is taking that chip off some of those kids shoulders and basically saying if your as good as you think you are prove it. I love it you gotta earn everything with Urb thats whats gonna make us great.

    Dotav

  • buckybuckbuck said...

    Its the mindset and MR Urban Meyers KNOWS what the problem is. In 2006 He beat the hell out of our arrogant,lazy over-confident, Im your buddy mindset. Now he's gonna beat the hell out of it again. BRAVO!

    Wow, what a great way to look at it....

    Sorry, Out of up-votes for the day!

    Hating scUM since 1964

    chasechasechase

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    I appreciate his honesty. We've been forced to swallow some nasty medicine this past year and his candor is a breath of fresh air compared to Luke's best imitation of Nero fiddling while Rome was burning.

    But I draw the line on outing kids he didn't "recruit" and labeling them marginal. We've had plenty of 3-stars who have had All B1G careers (Barton, Laurinaitis, Malcolm Jenkins, Chekwa) and gone onto the NFL. If you're as good a coach as everyone says you are and you've assembled a staff as great as you say it is, you should be able to make some silk purses out of a few sow's ears. And whether he recruited them or not, URBAN still signed them. They are a part of HIS first recruiting class. He owes them a shot at being successful.

    I don't seeing outing them being the least bit motivational. Instead of looking forward, now they're looking over their shoulder. It's like putting an employee on probation, which is usually the last step before being fired--they get so freaked out they're being watched and are going to lose their job, they don't know if they're supposed to shit or get off the pot. They become passive, tentative and indecisive, and that behavior becomes non-productive and they typically leave or get fired, anyway. Basically, in my opinion, what he's doing is showing them the door before they've even had a chance to walk through it. I don't know why anyone would do that to 18 year old boys who should be excited beyond words to be playing CFB at Ohio State. In effect, he's given them their notice. It's also potentially divisive--splitting the class (and even possibly the team) into two parts: Urban's guys and everyone else.

    The rest I can live with without batting an eye. But that particular part of his message makes absolutely no sense to me.

    I got a completely different take..no offense.

    It's not about 'outing' anybody. I don't think it's about 'motivating' anybody either.

    And..I think the true rationale behind Urban's comments are hidden in your response regarding turning silk purses out of sow ears.

    I think this is our new coach's way of tempering expectations for next year's team.

    Go back when UM hired RR. About 3 weeks after RR showed up at Ann Arbor he was making similar statements about the UM team he inherited from Carr. He even went so far as to say he had no idea it was that bad. Now..Llllloyd Carr might have had flaws, no doubt...but the guy cranked out 10-2 and 9-3 seasons like plucking ripe cherries from your tree out in the backyard. No way was things as bad as RR portrayed them to be.

    Coach Meyer knows what time it is. He is keenly aware that the fanbase has the taste of crap in their mouth for how things have gone the last year and that we want to win....now.

    Our program has been through a lot in the last 14 months. Winning may not come as easily
    and quicky as we want. Giving a less than glowing report on your new team and then overachieving is probably a strategy used often by new coaches.

    I honestly don't believe coach meant any disrespect to the current players.

    This post was edited by M Runner on 2/13/2012 at 10:29 PM

    M Runner

  • M Runner said...

    I got a completely different take..no offense.

    It's not about 'outing' anybody. I don't think it's about 'motivating' anybody either.

    And..I think the true rationale behind Urban's comments are hidden in your response regarding turning silk purses out of sow ears.

    I think this is our new coach's way of tempering expectations for next year's team.

    Go back when UM hired RR. About 3 weeks after RR showed up at Ann Arbor he was making similar statements about the UM team he inherited from Carr. He even went so far as to say he had no idea it was that bad. Now..Llllloyd Carr might have had flaws, no doubt...but the guy cranked out 10-2 and 9-3 seasons like plucking ripe cherries from your tree out in the backyard. No way was things as bad as RR portrayed them to be.

    Coach Meyer knows what time it is. He is keenly aware that the fanbase has the taste of crap in their mouth for how things have gone the last year and that we want to win....now.

    Our program has been through a lot in the last 14 months. Winning may not come as easily and quicky as we want. Giving a less than glowing report on your new team and then overachieving is probably a strategy used often by new coaches.

    I honestly don't believe coach meant any disrespect to the current players.

    Likening Meyer to RR will go over like a lead balloon on this board.

    There's no way to temper expectations, it's simply not justifiable. Barring injuries or something else unforeseen, there's no way that Urban gets away with any more than 2 losses next year without getting heavily criticized.

    Our out of conference schedule is absolutely pathetic, and the BIG is as down as its ever been. The cupboards were by no means bare upon Urban's arrival, especially relative to the collective cupboards of our opponents. Urban's first class has a bunch of stars, which only increases the talent gap that was already there in an exponential manner.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    Likening Meyer to RR will go over like a lead balloon on this board.

    There's no way to temper expectations, it's simply not justifiable. Barring injuries or something else unforeseen, there's no way that Urban gets away with any more than 2 losses next year without getting heavily criticized.

    Our out of conference schedule is absolutely pathetic, and the BIG is as down as its ever been. The cupboards were by no means bare upon Urban's arrival, especially relative to the collective cupboards of our opponents. Urban's first class has a bunch of stars, which only increases the talent gap that was already there in an exponential manner.

    Herein lies the problem.

    People think turning a 7 loss team into a 1 loss team is a piece of cake.

    I'm telling you, Meyer understands it, most of the fanbase does not.

    M Runner

  • I don't think Urban would intentionally try to piss his own players and fans off by saying this. It makes more sense that he is trying to temper the expectations of the fans as well as the possible ego of the incoming class due to his experience with his #1 class at Florida that came in with massive egos and killed them team.

    Urban_Meyer

  • You sound like someone who's feeling get hurt easily. I dont think he was "slamming" anyone. He's just laying out the facts of how things are and if it motivates some, good. If some are hurt by it and cant better there self for it, then it's time to move on. Some fans are so fickel, didn't like the way J.T. did things and now questioning the way the new guy does it. Go Bucks.

    sinuay

  • IndyDog said...

    Listen to the video...it's not a big deal and he didn't single out one person. It is what it is and it's up to the kids to prove him wrong. He also stated that the recruiting ratings aren't very dependable and he's had top rated classes at FL flunk his program so the fact that this one isn't as good really means nothing until the pedal hits the metal.

    Much ballyhoo over nothing IMO.

    I agree with this. If you watch the video it comes across differently than it reads in print.
    I had no problem with anything Urban said in the video and in fact thought it was great.

    And this is from someone who really liked Tressel.

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  • 16_Marty said...

    A brutal response, I link it if my CEO where i work tells the press that he likes my boss but theres not much skill surrounding him. In my opinion that demotivates me way more than pumps me up to get better. I'm surprised that Urban said those things to be honest, I respect someone who speaks the truth but you can tell it personally not in front of a microphone.

    To me it sounds like hes trying to lower the expectations of the media and fans allowing him a season where wins aren't as important as he's convinced us he doesn't have the talent.

    Some of those guys were grossly out of condition and overweight. That makes them way past marginal. I know we won't see gigantic guts hanging out of offensive linemen any more. I believe it will motivate them. Athletes of that caliber desire having a taskmaster in charge. The less discipline, the less respect they have. Meyer referred to it as the "fight or flight" mentality. I would love to be in the WHAC to watch the workouts. I would imagine nobody wants to be "that guy" UFM is referring to. They are all drinking the UFM kool-ade, even Carter and Underwood from what I have been reading.

    McCague

  • I think the talent is there. I think there are just too many who became fat, lazy, and satisfied in the past few years.

    Too many I guys.

    I think many will be pleasantly surprised with what these players look like after the fat is trimmed from them individually and from the team.

    BuckeyeMark

  • BuckeyeMark said...

    I think the talent is there. I think there are just too many who became fat, lazy, and satisfied in the past few years.

    Too many I guys.

    I think many will be pleasantly surprised with what these players look like after the fat is trimmed from them individually and from the team.

    The talent is not there, obviously. Hence a 6-7 record.....are you kidding me?

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  • M Runner said...

    Herein lies the problem.

    People think turning a 7 loss team into a 1 loss team is a piece of cake.

    I'm telling you, Meyer understands it, most of the fanbase does not.

    Had Fickell started Miller from day one, canned Bollman as his first act as head coach and brought in a quality OC, and had the university and fans not undermined him by opening discussions with Meyer with 3 games left in the season, Fickell could have easily been 9-4 or better, rather than 6-7. It's not like the team got blown off the field in any of the losses.

    We've beaten the points mentioned above to death on this board, but with stronger and better coaching on and off the field, there's no legitimate reason not to set the bar reasonably high.

    I'm not expecting 12-0 due to transitional issues involved with a new system, but 10-2 is a reasonable watermark. The 3 main factors are: 1) coaching has improved, 2) our schedule is weak, and 3) we have only increased the talent gap (relative to our scheduled opponents) with the recruiting class Meyer brought in.

    I don't see that Nos. 2 and 3 are disputable, so if Meyer loses 3 or more games, I think he's going to face pretty harsh criticism.

    No offense, but we are going to look like a bunch of weenies if we make excuses for Meyer going 7-5 or something. Not that I see that happening, I'm pretty optimistic that Meyer will get us turned and moving in the right direction pretty quickly. No, it's not going to be a piece of cake, but that's why we hired the guy.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    Had Fickell started Miller from day one, canned Bollman as his first act as head coach and brought in a quality OC, and had the university and fans not undermined him by opening discussions with Meyer with 3 games left in the season, Fickell could have easily been 9-4 or better, rather than 6-7. It's not like the team got blown off the field in any of the losses.

    We've beaten the points mentioned above to death on this board, but with stronger and better coaching on and off the field, there's no legitimate reason not to set the bar reasonably high.

    I'm not expecting 12-0 due to transitional issues involved with a new system, but 10-2 is a reasonable watermark. The 3 main factors are: 1) coaching has improved, 2) our schedule is weak, and 3) we have only increased the talent gap (relative to our scheduled opponents) with the recruiting class Meyer brought in.

    I don't see that Nos. 2 and 3 are disputable, so if Meyer loses 3 or more games, I think he's going to face pretty harsh criticism.

    No offense, but we are going to look like a bunch of weenies if we make excuses for Meyer going 7-5 or something. Not that I see that happening, I'm pretty optimistic that Meyer will get us turned and moving in the right direction pretty quickly. No, it's not going to be a piece of cake, but that's why we hired the guy.

    I'm not trying to bust your chops or argue with you. But...your responses to me only continue to make my case.

    You honestly expect next year's team to only lose 1 game. Guess what, the delusional part of our fanbase is with you on that.

    Meyer understands that, he's gotta soften those expectations a little right out of the gate. That's exactly why he's not endorsing the current players and the ones coming in as world beaters.

    We have NO offense dude. NO playmakers except Brax. Our best receivers will be freshmen. Our qb, and entire offense will be learning a whole new offense. No offense to Brax but it took him plenty long enough just to learn the 5 plays Bollman gave him.

    Our offense not only is learning a completely new offense but the entire team is adapting to all new position coaches.

    Plus....this team has been beaten psychologically.

    I hope we only lose one game next year, but I'm not going to hit the panic button if we lose 4. Nobody really knows but Meyer how far away this team is from winning. I just hope our fanbase gives Meyer the time he needs to turn it around his way.

    M Runner

  • M Runner said...

    I'm not trying to bust your chops or argue with you. But...your responses to me only continue to make my case.

    You honestly expect next year's team to only lose 1 game. Guess what, the delusional part of our fanbase is with you on that.

    Meyer understands that, he's gotta soften those expectations a little right out of the gate. That's exactly why he's not endorsing the current players and the ones coming in as world beaters.

    We have NO offense dude. NO playmakers except Brax. Our best receivers will be freshmen. Our qb, and entire offense will be learning a whole new offense. No offense to Brax but it took him plenty long enough just to learn the 5 plays Bollman gave him.

    Our offense not only is learning a completely new offense but the entire team is adapting to all new position coaches.

    Plus....this team has been beaten psychologically.

    I hope we only lose one game next year, but I'm not going to hit the panic button if we lose 4. Nobody really knows but Meyer how far away this team is from winning. I just hope our fanbase gives Meyer the time he needs to turn it around his way.

    Exactly. Meyer isn't going to be fired if we lose several games next year even if the fanbase gets pissed (which I won't be if we don't perform extremely well). There are still a lot of people out there who refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are some serious deficiencies on the team due to the small slips in the last couple of Tressel years and it will take more than 1 year to get us to an NC caliber level, even with the great recruiting that Urban is doing.

    Urban_Meyer

  • I honestly do not expect to lose anymore than 2 games next year. 12-0 is very possible. I know some may disagree, which is fine, but I do not feel like talent is a deficiency. It wasn't last year, and it won't be this year. Last year we had a more talented roster than every team we played with the exception of Florida. Every recruiting service will back that up. Does that mean I'm making the case that we can't be far more talented? Absolutely not -- Meyer obviously wants more speed and athleticism on offense, which is great -- but that doesn't mean we don't have more talent than every team on our schedule already because let's be honest -- the Big Ten pretty much stinks, and our OOC schedule this coming year is weak also.

    The problem last year was that we were young, which was good for a loss or two. But then you factor in that losing Tressel, was like losing our offensive coordinator, QB coach, and head coach all at the same time with that one termination. After he was fired, we now had an incompetent, ineffective offensive line coach trying to impersonate an offensive coordinator, and a video guy trying to coach our 5* QB after those same two bumbling idiots spent all of fall camp and the first 3 games of the season completely mishandling the QB position, and wasting reps on Bauserman that should've been going to Miller from day 1.

    This year the biggest challenge will be the kids picking up the new offense and getting acclimated to the new way the program will be run going forward. I have a hard time seeing many losses on our schedule. Looking at it as everything sits right now, the only two teams I'm really worried about are Nebraska & Michigan. And again, we have more talent than both of those squads, but sometimes things happen (ref. Purdue or Penn State last year as examples), so I suppose we will see what happens...as with so many things, time will tell.

    Razorback

  • david43207 said...

    great post!

    "THEnutbuster said...

    I love the honesty. No more favoritism, no more seniority playing time, no more bull crap, no more best friend hiring, no more hiring unqualified staff and finally someone who tells it the way it really is! When it comes to football I would follow Meyer to the gates of hell or any SEC team "

    I also beleive that people are thinking he is arrogant but to me he is being confident and knows what he needs to do on and off the field. I use to think Meyer was arrogant but the more I watch his interviews he has proven that he is confident and knows what he wants to accomplish and he is very serious about getting Ohio State back to greatness! One last note the recruits he is wanting are ones that bleed scarlet and gray and are going to go at it 100 mph every day and night.

    Love the pics!

    nordy1

  • buckeyewaz said...

    The talent is not there, obviously. Hence a 6-7 record.....are you kidding me?

    Well genius how did Tressel go 14-0 with a bunch of Juniors and Seniors who up to that point had gone 6-6, 8-4, and 7-5???

    Ohio State lost 6 of 7 games by 7 points or less, and to 7 bowl eligible teams, and with several key players suspended at various points in the season.

    THE TALENT IS THERE! With hard work, more experience, and an increased team motivation you will see that is the case.

    So, no I am not kidding you!

    BuckeyeMark

  • M Runner said...

    I'm not trying to bust your chops or argue with you. But...your responses to me only continue to make my case.

    You honestly expect next year's team to only lose 1 game. Guess what, the delusional part of our fanbase is with you on that.

    Meyer understands that, he's gotta soften those expectations a little right out of the gate. That's exactly why he's not endorsing the current players and the ones coming in as world beaters.

    We have NO offense dude. NO playmakers except Brax. Our best receivers will be freshmen. Our qb, and entire offense will be learning a whole new offense. No offense to Brax but it took him plenty long enough just to learn the 5 plays Bollman gave him.

    Our offense not only is learning a completely new offense but the entire team is adapting to all new position coaches.

    Plus....this team has been beaten psychologically.

    I hope we only lose one game next year, but I'm not going to hit the panic button if we lose 4. Nobody really knows but Meyer how far away this team is from winning. I just hope our fanbase gives Meyer the time he needs to turn it around his way.

    I'll clarify that I see 10-2 as the watermark, not 11-1. And I agree it is unrealistic to expect to be undefeated.

    But I simply cannot see why you and others (especially a guy with Urban Meyer as his avatar) would be wanting to make excuses for him before he even coaches a game. Urban is the man, he's being paid handsomely and is considered among the best handful of coaches in college football. He is the game's best motivator, and it is crazy to even suggest that "this team has been beaten psychologiclly" before they even play the Spring game. If we go into late August being "psychologically beaten", Urban will have failed miserably. That's just not going to happen.

    I do agree there is a lot of work to do on the offensive side, and our offensive line is going to be raw and probably our weakest link. But we have experienced players coming back who should improve under better coaching and great new talent coming in.

    There is a talent gap between OSU and every opponent on the schedule. Frankly, we have a huge talent gap over most of the teams we will face. Our out of conference schedule is pathetic and we are not exactly playing an SEC schedule in conference, the BIG has never been worse.

    Urban is not going to be fired regardless of what his record is, but if all we expect is 8-4, that's pretty weak. Sorry to say it, but if that happens TOSU is going to look like a bunch of weenies. There are dozens of head coaches out there who could deliver that and we should expect much better out of Meyer.

    JAG24

  • I have no problem with what he said as long as he told the players the same thing to their face, which I am sure he did. This country is falling apart because we can't be honest, everything has to be "politically correct", to hell with that!

    Honesty is ALWAYS the best policy!

    OSURocks

  • JAG24 said...

    I'll clarify that I see 10-2 as the watermark, not 11-1. And I agree it is unrealistic to expect to be undefeated.

    But I simply cannot see why you and others (especially a guy with Urban Meyer as his avatar) would be wanting to make excuses for him before he even coaches a game. Urban is the man, he's being paid handsomely and is considered among the best handful of coaches in college football. He is the game's best motivator, and it is crazy to even suggest that "this team has been beaten psychologiclly" before they even play the Spring game. If we go into late August being "psychologically beaten", Urban will have failed miserably. That's just not going to happen.

    I do agree there is a lot of work to do on the offensive side, and our offensive line is going to be raw and probably our weakest link. But we have experienced players coming back who should improve under better coaching and great new talent coming in.

    There is a talent gap between OSU and every opponent on the schedule. Frankly, we have a huge talent gap over most of the teams we will face. Our out of conference schedule is pathetic and we are not exactly playing an SEC schedule in conference, the BIG has never been worse.

    Urban is not going to be fired regardless of what his record is, but if all we expect is 8-4, that's pretty weak. Sorry to say it, but if that happens TOSU is going to look like a bunch of weenies. There are dozens of head coaches out there who could deliver that and we should expect much better out of Meyer.

    I think there is a difference between making excuses and tempering expectations with a healthy dose of realism.

    M Runner

  • buckeyewaz said...

    The talent is not there, obviously. Hence a 6-7 record.....are you kidding me?

    Well Tressel had back to back top 5 classes so yes the talent is there it's just raw, all we can hope now is that there is enough speed to work with Urban and Hermans scheme.

    Marty16x1

  • M Runner said...

    I think there is a difference between making excuses and tempering expectations with a healthy dose of realism.

    Bingo

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