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Urban will run off players

  • Razorback said...

    Honestly, even Tressel has run off players before, just not very often (he ran one off last spring -- can't remember the kid's name, I think he was a TE). Now, here is where I stand on that -- if the coach (don't care who the coach is at any given school) truly sees the player having no chance to contribute in a 4 year window no matter how hard they work, then I have no problem with them sitting down and encouraging a transfer or a move off of football scholarship. What I don't want to see is existing commitments having their offers pulled. If the previous staff (Fickell, Tressel, etc.) already offered a scholly and a kid accepted, then I would like to see us honor that commit and give the kid a chance to play here.

    Urban's not an idiot, though and he isn't Les Miles / Nick Saban -- I think he knows how he could burn some bridges if he makes Ohio high school coaches upset.

    When I lived in Atlanta, Bobby Cremins would run guys off after one year at Tech. Bobby Knight was getting a lot of pub for doing that, but Cremins was worse IMO.

    I think that commitments made before this weekend should be honored, too. What do you do, however, with the guys who had offers, but no commitment, and now they want to join the good ship Urban? Think that LF or whoever has a list of guys that they would still offer and when a kid calls and says 'I want to come to OSU', LF can say 'sorry, we're re-evaluating our offers and we'll get back to you by the end of the year'?

    ButlerBuck

  • ButlerBuck said...

    When I lived in Atlanta, Bobby Cremins would run guys off after one year at Tech. Bobby Knight was getting a lot of pub for doing that, but Cremins was worse IMO.

    I think that commitments made before this weekend should be honored, too. What do you do, however, with the guys who had offers, but no commitment, and now they want to join the good ship Urban? Think that LF or whoever has a list of guys that they would still offer and when a kid calls and says 'I want to come to OSU', LF can say 'sorry, we're re-evaluating our offers and we'll get back to you by the end of the year'?

    IMO if the previous staff under Fick or Tress had already sent a written offer, it should be honored. But anyone not officially offered who was just being "courted" so to speak, will probably need to be re-evaluated by the new coaching staff.

    Razorback

  • I understand the concept of not wanting to piss off HS coaches and pull schollies, that is real and I am sure Meyer understands that. However, these kids can do the same thing (think Dunn) so I almost want to think that the HS coaches need to understand this. If the HS coaches are going to get so pissy......then where is Dunn's HS coach during all his waffling? Why isn't he worried about pissing off OSU coaches??

    boomboom

  • boom*boom* said...

    I understand the concept of not wanting to piss off HS coaches and pull schollies, that is real and I am sure Meyer understands that. However, these kids can do the same thing (think Dunn) so I almost want to think that the HS coaches need to understand this. If the HS coaches are going to get so pissy......then where is Dunn's HS coach during all his waffling? Why isn't he worried about pissing off OSU coaches??

    No doubt, it's a two-way street. As far as the player, it comes down to how the college recruiting the kid explained how they treat a commit -- for example, Tressel wanted committed kids to take visits to other schools. Pat Fitzgerald tells the kids that he expects them to honor their commit and not visit other schools once they are committed. I'm not sure how Fickell and crew have dealt with this. If they've told Dunn to take other visits, etc. then he's done nothing wrong. I'm one who feels like once you're committed, you shouldn't be visiting other schools. Period. Would the kid like it if the school offering the scholarship went out and offered that kid's spot to other players while he was still committed? (an example Fitzgerald actually uses when recruiting) My guess is probably not. It's a two-way street.

    Razorback

  • Urban is going to do what he feels is necessary to move the program forward......if reviews the talent we have and thinks some kids should go then that is what he will do and i would not expect anything less from him or any other coach in major college football.

    It is a business and to be successful the CEO is going to put the appropriate team in place to get it done.

    It will be interesting to see how the self imposted scholly reductions playes into this......maybe it is even more reason to trim the fat and use those newly available schollies for better talent.

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    bcroft

  • As long as both parties understand what they're getting into then that's all that matters.

    santy

  • Razorback said...

    No doubt, it's a two-way street. As far as the player, it comes down to how the college recruiting the kid explained how they treat a commit -- for example, Tressel wanted committed kids to take visits to other schools. Pat Fitzgerald tells the kids that he expects them to honor their commit and not visit other schools once they are committed. I'm not sure how Fickell and crew have dealt with this. If they've told Dunn to take other visits, etc. then he's done nothing wrong. I'm one who feels like once you're committed, you shouldn't be visiting other schools. Period. Would the kid like it if the school offering the scholarship went out and offered that kid's spot to other players while he was still committed? (an example Fitzgerald actually uses when recruiting) My guess is probably not. It's a two-way street.

    Ya, I never really understood this. As someone who has gone through the D1 recruiting process (not football) I didn't make my commitment till I was 100% sure that was the school I was going to attend. I took all my visits before the commitment. I don't know why it's not treated that way by every kid.

    AllDay28

  • yes, I would much rather we do this like some other schools. If you commit here, do not visit. I think this may have hurt us in the past, maybe leaving a spot open and not going after someone else because some 17 yr old kid wanted to take some visits and ended up de-committing. I have no proof, but it had to have happened somewhere along the line. And with our lack of depth @ LB and OL we can't be waiting around for kids to look around.

    OSUrox

  • Very common when a new coach is hired - happened with DickRod, Hoke, and others, as I'm sure it will happen for Meyer. It's all part of the normal process.

    jjones64

  • wizard45 said...

    One of the things Meyer does when he takes over is to run off players to make room for new recruits and more numbers. With a limited number of openings he will have to get rid of some to have schollies for his new people. I can see him running off red shirt guys to get some outstanding recruits. Will you be happy with these tactics just to get Urban?

    UM............YES

    Buckluver

  • I heard rumors that Jeff Driskel-top QB recruit @ FLA-would consider transferring to OSU if Meyer came. I wonder how Meyer feels about Cardale?

    OSUrox

  • OSUrox said...

    I heard rumors that Jeff Driskel-top QB recruit @ FLA-would consider transferring to OSU if Meyer came. I wonder how Meyer feels about Cardale?

    So he can compete with Brax?

    AllDay28

  • AllDay28 said...

    So he can compete with Brax?

    well....if he transferred he would sit out a year, so by the time he was ready Brax would be a junior. And he is competing with John Brantley and Jacoby Brissett @ FLA. Some teams actually like to have competition @ QB you know and not have a Braxton Miller with a Joe Bauserman behind him.

    boomboom

  • Not a malcontent at all, in fact a huge supporter but one that wants kids treated fairly. And I want a leader that doesn't have the history of recruiting kids that get in trouble with the law like Urban did in Florida. I am just wary of putting such hope and complete trust into a man that never stays anywhere very long, has shown signs of problems with kids, and has a strange track record of quitting and then staying. I look forward to some new members on the staff and a new offensive approach, best of luck to the Bucks but don't complain if your desire for victories result in some ugly events.

    wizard45

  • I think after what happened this year we're pretty used to ugly events. Let them happen and watch the victories roll in!

    santy

  • boom*boom* said...

    well....if he transferred he would sit out a year, so by the time he was ready Brax would be a junior. And he is competing with John Brantley and Jacoby Brissett @ FLA. Some teams actually like to have competition @ QB you know and not have a Braxton Miller with a Joe Bauserman behind him.

    I hope that Meyer comes in and changes the platform in which OSU has become used to in this regard. There should be competition at every position. A school like OSU shouldn't have a huge gap in talent between the starting QB and second string. I don't see a thing wrong with getting rid of players like Bauserman who shouldn't be on the team in that capacity or using up a scholarship. I'm sure that there are a number of players who are in his same situation that will never play a down, what does OSU owe them? What does Meyer owe them? They were given a scholarship to perform on the football field. IF they are not holding up their end of the bargain, why shouldn't we be able to go out and get kids who can? Again, I just hope that the mindset that tolerates mediocrity at OSU will leave with the current coaching staff.

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    SLVRBULLIT82

  • SLVRBULLIT82 said...

    I hope that Meyer comes in and changes the platform in which OSU has become used to in this regard. There should be competition at every position. A school like OSU shouldn't have a huge gap in talent between the starting QB and second string. I don't see a thing wrong with getting rid of players like Bauserman who shouldn't be on the team in that capacity or using up a scholarship. I'm sure that there are a number of players who are in his same situation that will never play a down, what does OSU owe them? What does Meyer owe them? They were given a scholarship to perform on the football field. IF they are not holding up their end of the bargain, why shouldn't we be able to go out and get kids who can? Again, I just hope that the mindset that tolerates mediocrity at OSU will leave with the current coaching staff.

    I agree. Mallett just left Arkansas and they had someone ready to roll....and he filled in last year nicely too. Other schools can bring in 2 top QBs so I do not know why we can't. LSU has 2 QBs who can win. FLA had the #1 rated pro style QB and #3 rated dual threat commit the same year. The girls can't be THAT hot in gainesville....can they??

    boomboom

  • Smoking grass? Boren will come in and contribute here at OSU he is a player as is Pat E.
    Lindsey and Hall are good players and will contribute on the OL next year.
    Coaching will help them.

    Spliveman

  • You are the biggest tool on this board.

    fmarsh1216

  • I forgot about Tornado, you are the second biggest tool on this board.

    fmarsh1216