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What ever happened to the Oregon & Miami investigations ???

  • We heard about OSU every day non-stop from Dec. '10 to recently, in regards to our (overinflated/ticky-tacky violations)...but, it just seems to me that you never hear anything about the Oregon & Miami situations. The new allegations at Oregon with the pot smoking reminded me of the separate alleged violations last summer. Then there's the whole Miami fiasco. I don't know whether the NCAA is just dragging its feet, or that the there is just so much information to go through and so many people to invesitigate - that its taking this long. ESPiN appears they care to exercise their "journalism" in regards to the Oregon & Miami alleged violations combined about 1/2 as much as OSU's. Then again, Oregon & Miami didn't have alleged RIGGED RAFFLES (OMG!) That is some serious sh*t...so we know Dorhmann won't be turning up every rock in Eugene & Coral Cables...no, the Miami allegations just deal with thousands of dollars exchanged, drugs, prostitutes and abortions...that's all. Ho hum. No biggy.
    My point it - I think the NCAA should come down with a ruling soon....hopefully by the summer.

    This post was edited by PABuck24 on 4/19/2012 at 6:50 PM

    PABuck24

  • there's a lot of investigating and information to go through. They'll get theirs.

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  • The NCAA is perceived as a joke by most college teams. Im not sure if we have heard the last about Miami. I honestly believe if these were about Ohio State it would never disappear and would be on the news EVERY DAY. It makes you wonder about ESPIN and $I.

    When they couldn't find any more crap about the Buckeyes, they made up news. Who gives a damn about JTs pay and how much he made at Ohio State. Just to keep the fire burning. Lastly where was Ohio State and the B1G during the continual attempts to keep the fire burning? Screw all of them. Us against the world.....this time we have Urban Meyer

    THEnutbuster

  • It's widely known that the nc2a can hear a mouse piss on a cotton ball in Columbus, but not the sledgehammer dropping on any other campus.

    In other news, e$pn has a 'hit' piece (pun intended) on rampant weed smoking in Eugene. While not at all earth shattering because it's as common as Gatorade in college athletics, it still sounds bad when the unnamed player burns one while he props his undoubtedly neon piss yellow cleats on a Rose Bowl duffle bag.

    NuclearBuckeye

  • Our story leaked out like a death of a thousand cuts. First we learned about the tats. Then the Cicero email. Then the contact with sarniak. Then Tressels suspension increased. Then bell was discovered. Then the SI article. Then Tress was fired/resigned. Then Pryor left. Then the charity work. Then the no show jobs....all stretched over about 11 months. In otherwords we kept ourselves in the news.

    jpfbuck

  • Yeah, but if you notice, the reporters: the Yahoo boys, Dohrmann, Outside the Lines aren't doing any digging. The digging is, of course, the investigative work reporters do when there's blood in the water. Where's there's smoke there's fire! Selective head turning on both the Oregon, Miami, and Auburn shitte too is what's going on, but Urban played favorites at Florida. Give me a fucking break!

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Space Buckin on 4/19/2012 at 8:19 PM

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  • jpfbuck said...

    Our story leaked out like a death of a thousand cuts. First we learned about the tats. Then the Cicero email. Then the contact with sarniak. Then Tressels suspension increased. Then bell was discovered. Then the SI article. Then Tress was fired/resigned. Then Pryor left. Then the charity work. Then the no show jobs....all stretched over about 11 months. In otherwords we kept ourselves in the news.

    Agree and disagree. Part of the frustration from everyone I believe is because all of this stuff came out because ESPN, SI, Yahoo, etc couldn't help themselves but dig and dig and dig. They were all over tOSU's campus,and for a long time digging up anything they could. I believe the point of this thread was to discuss why aren't these other scandels getting the same attention? Why was everyone all over a tattoo story, but when it came to money, boats and hoes or a recruiting scandel, there is barely a peep. They spend basically no time on these campuses. Hell most of them were very late to the PSU scandal and ESPN seemed like they didn't even care. And before you say "because it wasn't just about tattoos", I just want to point out that yes, in the beginning it was all about free tattoos. That is what got the attention of the media, while the Miami, Oregon and PSU stories didn't seem as big as tattoos?

    killernut4

  • What I don't get is OSU been punished severly for lesser infractions than either Miami or Oregon and I get this queazy feeling that both will get off with a slap on the wrist. It's a sure thing they won't get the penalties OSU got. Mark it down. That's why they're taking so long - so everyone will forget the seriousnes of their violations. OSU was forthcoming and self-punishing and what did it get us?

    McCague

  • McCague said...

    What I don't get is OSU been punished severly for lesser infractions than either Miami or Oregon and I get this queazy feeling that both will get off with a slap on the wrist. It's a sure thing they won't get the penalties OSU got. Mark it down. That's why they're taking so long - so everyone will forget the seriousnes of their violations. OSU was forthcoming and self-punishing and what did it get us?

    I agree and it is going to be made worse if we have a good season. Imagine the day after a Mich victory and how pissed off we are going to be packing it in over all that past bullshit. No BIG Championship game, no BCS bowl game.

    JAG24

  • Oregon and Miami don't have near the alumni that care or want to buy subscriptions to read up on. There is still an investigation going on but it won't hit the mainstream because no one is really interested.

    Marty16x1

  • PABuck24 said...

    We heard about OSU every day non-stop from Dec. '10 to recently, in regards to our (overinflated/ticky-tacky violations)...but, it just seems to me that you never hear anything about the Oregon & Miami situations. The new allegations at Oregon with the pot smoking reminded me of the separate alleged violations last summer. Then there's the whole Miami fiasco. I don't know whether the NCAA is just dragging its feet, or that the there is just so much information to go through and so many people to invesitigate - that its taking this long. ESPiN appears they care to exercise their "journalism" in regards to the Oregon & Miami alleged violations combined about 1/2 as much as OSU's. Then again, Oregon & Miami didn't have alleged RIGGED RAFFLES (OMG!) That is some serious sh*t...so we know Dorhmann won't be turning up every rock in Eugene & Coral Cables...no, the Miami allegations just deal with thousands of dollars exchanged, drugs, prostitutes and abortions...that's all. Ho hum. No biggy. My point it - I think the NCAA should come down with a ruling soon....hopefully by the summer.

    You live in Ohio so sure you heard it every day when OSU was in hot water,there was a 4-5 month spell where things were quiet.
    Search the news (nationally or Miami and Eugene)

    Miami's Basketall is also under investigation!

    Just a few ,but there are plenty!
    Oregon:
    - http://fishduck.com/2012/03/kelly-scoundrel-kelly-straight-shooter/
    - http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7613030/ncaa-documents-say-oregon-ducks-violated-recruiting-regulations
    - http://www.kval.com/sports/Document-offers-small-glimpse-into-Ducks-NCAA-investigation-143421946.html?m=y&smobile=y&c=n&clmob=y
    - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/626794-oregon-football-why-duck-fans-should-panic-over-ncaa-investigation
    - http://registerguard.stats.com/cfb/story.asp?i=20120419161009833254008
    - http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-sports/2012/04/19/espn-article-details-marijuana-use-at-oregon/

    MIAMI:
    - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/ncaa-investigation-looms-miami-pumps-brakes-booster-athlete-193726321.html
    - http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-02-12/nevin-shapiro-miami-ncaa-investigation-will-talk-further
    - http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/ncaa-s-investigation-of-haith-at-miami-is-slow-process/article_2bc4f216-1f12-5e28-beed-647df543b6ae.html
    - http://michaelbucknerlaw.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/ncaa-enforcement-potpourri-shapiro-avin-shnd-unc/

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by FredFlintsone on 4/20/2012 at 4:27 AM

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  • You did'nt have to live in Ohio to see Espn hammer on The Bucks at every opportunity,along with Yahoo, SI,and The Sporting News,and its still happening(the resent "hit piece" on coach Meyer),their bias is obvious.Let the rest of NCAA football do what ever they want ,lets jump on Ohio St.

    Brute Buck

  • Not many articles about Urban until he was named OSU coach.

    19fhs67

  • anyone - Buckeye fan or not - who makes the statement that ESPiN did not railroad Ohio State and Jim Tressel is completly LOST. They made a mountain out of a mole hill. They put that story in the sheeples face's every day from morning till night & told them how wrong Ohio State was for allowing jim Tressel to remain the head coach - in short - ESPiN fired Tressel. Every story on ESPiN web page concerning tOSU had 10k + comments from sheeple demanding the death penalty ect. On the flip side - Miami / Oregon / Alabama / LSU has received a blip of coverage - especially when compared to what was dished out at tOSU. Apparently it is much worse for a kid to trade his own belongings for a tattoo then it is for a head coach to pay for the services of a potential recruit (Oregon / Bama / LSU) or for the school's administration to allow a booster to buy recruits & players (Miami)

    trigg03

  • Just because you don't hear about them does not mean they aren't ongoing. Our investigation got blown out of proportion by those clowns at ESPN. For whatever reason ESPN felt it neccessary to glorify the issues at tOSU. I find it kind of ironic that these stories became public at the same time as our issues, seems rather convinient.

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  • Brute Buck said...

    You did'nt have to live in Ohio to see Espn hammer on The Bucks at every opportunity,along with Yahoo, SI,and The Sporting News,and its still happening(the resent "hit piece" on coach Meyer),their bias is obvious.Let the rest of NCAA football do what ever they want ,lets jump on Ohio St.

    wouldn't neccessarily call it bias, but if you check out those articles they all hit 5000+ comments, Ohio State is THE most polarizing team in College Football, and they are taking that to the bank. Thats why our players need to be ultra careful, if someone buys our player lunch it would be breaking news on espn

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  • Brute +1, your so right. I heard shit about our Buckeyes down here every single day. People love to hate on tOSU. I guess it just comes with the territory of being so great for so long. Now Urban Meyer is in C-Bus. Fans and the media are very jealous of tOSU.

    dkbuckeyes

  • McCague said...

    What I don't get is OSU been punished severly for lesser infractions than either Miami or Oregon and I get this queazy feeling that both will get off with a slap on the wrist. It's a sure thing they won't get the penalties OSU got. Mark it down. That's why they're taking so long - so everyone will forget the seriousnes of their violations. OSU was forthcoming and self-punishing and what did it get us?

    But OSU wasnt punished for the student-athletes' misdeeds. We got hit because our coach choose not to be truthful on multiple occasions. If Tress turns them in, there is a short Troy Smith type story, the athletes are suspended and the train keeps rolling.

    memyselfi

  • the NCAA should rule give PSU the death penalty...Miami a 3 year bowl ban & Oregon a 1 year bowl ban

    PABuck24

  • McCague said...

    What I don't get is OSU been punished severly for lesser infractions than either Miami or Oregon and I get this queazy feeling that both will get off with a slap on the wrist. It's a sure thing they won't get the penalties OSU got. Mark it down. That's why they're taking so long - so everyone will forget the seriousnes of their violations. OSU was forthcoming and self-punishing and what did it get us?

    A lesson learned, hopefully. Auburn got investigated & clammed up & laughed at the NCAA's lack of subpoena power. Subsequently, no punishment. Pretty much the same will happen with Miami and Oregon.. you can take that to the bank. So the lesson is learned. In the future, don't comply with the NCAA and don't self-report things. What did that get us? NOTHING. We got the same exact punishment we would have gotten had we made them dig all this stuff up themselves - if they could have even done so. So what's the point?

    WhiteGoodman

  • WhiteGoodman said...

    A lesson learned, hopefully. Auburn got investigated & clammed up & laughed at the NCAA's lack of subpoena power. Subsequently, no punishment. Pretty much the same will happen with Miami and Oregon.. you can take that to the bank. So the lesson is learned. In the future, don't comply with the NCAA and don't self-report things. What did that get us? NOTHING. We got the same exact punishment we would have gotten had we made them dig all this stuff up themselves - if they could have even done so. So what's the point?

    Yep, that's just the result Gene Smith being Gene Smith.

    As far as Oregon, I'd be surprised if they get anything more than LSU got which was the N.O.S. (Not Ohio State) treatment (borrowed the term from a premium poster over in The Front Row) translating into essentially no punishment.

    Miami, who knows. They have violations that actually exceed SMU with the one noteworthy point that they are not repeat violations like SMU was when they were blasted with the death penalty. There is never much in the news about Miami that I notice though, on any sports website that I frequent, so I would almost expect the N.O.S. treatment there, too, but the violations are just SO exceedingly bad I can't believe they're going to do nothing...

    Razorback

  • Razorback said...

    Yep, that's just the result Gene Smith being Gene Smith.

    As far as Oregon, I'd be surprised if they get anything more than LSU got which was the N.O.S. (Not Ohio State) treatment (borrowed the term from a premium poster over in The Front Row) translating into essentially no punishment.

    Miami, who knows. They have violations that actually exceed SMU with the one noteworthy point that they are not repeat violations like SMU was when they were blasted with the death penalty. There is never much in the news about Miami that I notice though, on any sports website that I frequent, so I would almost expect the N.O.S. treatment there, too, but the violations are just SO exceedingly bad I can't believe they're going to do nothing...

    Well that's just it. The ALLEGATIONS are bad. The Cam Newton camp trying to embezzle money out of schools was a bad allegation. But you know what, these schools now seem to be taking the approach of "Ok NCAA.... prove it". The allegations are bad, but if the NCAA can't prove it.. what can they really do? That said... "Gene Smith being Gene Smith" has GOT to stop. Not only that, but I'm sick of a lot of these players skating away with basically nothing while universities & coaching staffs get hammered. Rather than self-reporting, it's time to start kicking kids off football teams and wiping your hands clean of kids who don't want to behave properly. Start making an example out of some of these knuckleheads, and a lot (not all) of this crap starts going away.

    Think of it this way. How shocked would everyone have been if back when Tressel first found out about this.. he called these 5 knuckleheads into his office and said "You guys did WHAT??? Traded championship memorabilia for tattoos? You guys obviously don't value this team or the opportunity you have been given here, you are all dismissed from this football team". Sure, fans would have been outraged at first, but I think they ultimately would have been fine with it considering the fact that they actually sold sacred memorabilia to obtain freaking tats. And you know what else... had it been handled that way we would have never gotten a Bowl Ban and Tressel is still the coach here. Don't get me wrong.. I'm not trying to sympathize with Tressel.. it was the cover up that was worse than the crime here.. and I believe Urban Meyer is an upgrade so no complaints out of me. I'm just saying... THIS is the way things should be handled going forward. Kick these knuckleheads off some of these teams and start sending a message Nationwide. If we need to be at the forefront of that here at OSU.. so be it. I was glad to see Storm Klein booted off the team. Urban is sending the right message here... and I think he's basically taking the approach that I laid out.. but time will tell..

    WhiteGoodman

  • Free tattoos for 10-15 players vs. strip clubs and parties for 30-35 players?
    It's a question of lifestyles that the NCAA should take into proper context: Midwestern blue-collar vs. South Beach glitz
    It's like at USC where the lifestyle is about nice homes and sports cars.
    It's all relative ....

    fars1d3s

  • WhiteGoodman said...

    Well that's just it. The ALLEGATIONS are bad. The Cam Newton camp trying to embezzle money out of schools was a bad allegation. But you know what, these schools now seem to be taking the approach of "Ok NCAA.... prove it". The allegations are bad, but if the NCAA can't prove it.. what can they really do? That said... "Gene Smith being Gene Smith" has GOT to stop. Not only that, but I'm sick of a lot of these players skating away with basically nothing while universities & coaching staffs get hammered. Rather than self-reporting, it's time to start kicking kids off football teams and wiping your hands clean of kids who don't want to behave properly. Start making an example out of some of these knuckleheads, and a lot (not all) of this crap starts going away.

    Think of it this way. How shocked would everyone have been if back when Tressel first found out about this.. he called these 5 knuckleheads into his office and said "You guys did WHAT??? Traded championship memorabilia for tattoos? You guys obviously don't value this team or the opportunity you have been given here, you are all dismissed from this football team". Sure, fans would have been outraged at first, but I think they ultimately would have been fine with it considering the fact that they actually sold sacred memorabilia to obtain freaking tats. And you know what else... had it been handled that way we would have never gotten a Bowl Ban and Tressel is still the coach here. Don't get me wrong.. I'm not trying to sympathize with Tressel.. it was the cover up that was worse than the crime here.. and I believe Urban Meyer is an upgrade so no complaints out of me. I'm just saying... THIS is the way things should be handled going forward. Kick these knuckleheads off some of these teams and start sending a message Nationwide. If we need to be at the forefront of that here at OSU.. so be it. I was glad to see Storm Klein booted off the team. Urban is sending the right message here... and I think he's basically taking the approach that I laid out.. but time will tell..

    No worries man, I'm with ya on Gene Smith. He basically did the NCAA's job for them and it did nothing but hurt Ohio State.

    Would love it if what you suggested about booting kids off teams, etc. were an across the board thing at all schools. Unfortunately, playing hide and seek is the name of the game in the SEC with most rules (the obvious exception being their NCAA-allowed on-field competitive advantage so named "oversigning").

    Razorback

  • Yeah I hear ya on that. But at this point we can only worry about ourselves and I'm sick of seeing self-serving kids come through here and milk their OSU Football Player Status for everything it's worth, and then throw OSU under the bus on the way out. Just be proactive and kick these jerks off the team... regardless of what the SEC or anybody else is doing, these kids aren't worth it to us.. especially be labeled as a "Repeat Offender".

    WhiteGoodman