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What's said about the B1G upsets me.

  • I get so tired of hearing the the B1G is the weakest conference out there. Besides the recent years of the dissapointing performances in Bowl games, I don't know where they come off. The B1G is the only conference that is not top heavy. The SEC is top heavy (LSU, ALA, FLA) The B1G 12 (Texas, OK) The Pac 12 (Stan, USC, OK). And the ACC (FLA ST, VT.) The B1G is 3rd in putting players in the NFL and only a few players behind the ACC. You could argue that OSU, SCum, MSU, Wisky, NEB, and until recently PSU have legit shots at winning the B1G. NW is the ultimate "upset U". Illinois I guarantee will be much better, doing a great job of keeping in-state kids...........well...........in-state. And even a Bowl loss besides a few was not Blow outs like the (cough, cough) National Championship, which if it were any B1G team losing by 28, we would have had no reason being there according to most. \

    Sorry about the RANT but this craps gotta stop.

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • I Agree. It's all BS !!!
    The Losers at ESPN kiss the SEC's ASS. Why ? Because the BIG makes its own money.
    Since 2007 they've coddled the SEC. 5 straight NC enhances that.
    The SEC is NOT a top to bottom conference. Like most. Alabama and LSU at his point.
    Saban and Miles are BIG players and coaches.
    Add to the fact that the GPA is around 2.0 and most of the time thay still don't finish school.
    The BIG will bounce back. It happens in cycles.
    Plus, they have set the trends and make the most money and will add to that in 2 years.
    BIG CBB is number 1 right now.

    djjonesy

  • Every bowl game that OSU plays in (and the big ten) is an away game. The Big 12 is in the same boat. I wish that Lucas Oil Stadium could be a part of the bowl series and a few enclosed stadiums up North. I wouldn't mind seeing some SEC teams play in the snow too.

    mat546

  • mat546 said...

    Every bowl game that OSU plays in (and the big ten) is an away game. The Big 12 is in the same boat. I wish that Lucas Oil Stadium could be a part of the bowl series and a few enclosed stadiums up North. I wouldn't mind seeing some SEC teams play in the snow too.

    1st and foremost I do understand your opinions and the frustration that comes with it...

    But in all honesty, if you can beat them in snow then likewise you should be able to really put a hurtin' on them in perfect field conditions...

    And if you're a good enough team....you travel well and take it to them in their own back yard. Just sayin.

    They've won 6 NC's straight and 4 different teams have won it. As much as I can't stand all the SEC hype.....that doesn't sound top heavy to me.

    I agree they've had a little help getting there for sure and this last NC doesn't really count in my opinion because it's not a real NC matchup. You've got to at the very least win your conference to get your shot and that didn't happen.

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    Bearbuck

  • mat546 said...

    Every bowl game that OSU plays in (and the big ten) is an away game. The Big 12 is in the same boat. I wish that Lucas Oil Stadium could be a part of the bowl series and a few enclosed stadiums up North. I wouldn't mind seeing some SEC teams play in the snow too.

    They are scared to play in cold weather against a team that's worth anything. This is why Nick Saban declined a home and home against Wisky. All the other B1G 10 teams he scheduled was when the team was below .500. Scum was coming off of a 3 win season when it was scheduled, and they were still forced to play Bama in Texas because Bama would not agree to come North. The home and home with Penn St. was when they were coming off a 6 win season. Wisky, a team that just won the B1G championship, was too intimidating for Saban to risk another title run. The cards are always played in their favor. I hate the $EC and when the rules start applying to them (all of the rules down to the oversigning of just one player) I will give them credit for their good run, but until then it's a scared conference that finds excuses for everything. And ESPN doesn't investigate shit down there.

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • CO Dank said...

    They are scared to play in cold weather against a team that's worth anything. This is why Nick Saban declined a home and home against Wisky. All the other B1G 10 teams he scheduled was when the team was below .500. Scum was coming off of a 3 win season when it was scheduled, and they were still forced to play Bama in Texas because Bama would not agree to come North. The home and home with Penn St. was when they were coming off a 6 win season. Wisky, a team that just won the B1G championship, was too intimidating for Saban to risk another title run. The cards are always played in their favor. I hate the $EC and when the rules start applying to them (all of the rules down to the oversigning of just one player) I will give them credit for their good run, but until then it's a scared conference that finds excuses for everything. And ESPN doesn't investigate shit down there.

    Oh puhleeze with the cold weather thing again. It's Ohio not Greenland. How frickin cold does it get in October/November?...not very. And most of the OCC play takes place earlier in the season when it's miserable out.

    The don't play us because they don't have to...period. They make tons of money how it's set-up now and take care of their own. They've had plenty of chances to play northern teams in the bowls and do just fine.

    When we start putting up records against them then the comments will reflect those changes...until then it's up to us to prove them wrong.

    IndyDog

  • We are not viewed as the worst CFB conference. The Big East and the ACC
    are generally viewed as below us.

    The SEC love-fest will stop when their string of national titles is broken.
    That is what is going to take. I agree that some of the rhetoric is over
    the top, and it is nauseating to hear how far it goes sometimes. Someone
    else needs to win one, preferably convincingly over an SEC team, for it
    to stop.

    Lastly, focus on the Buckeyes, and not the entire conference.
    I think we will be in for some good times in the next several years.

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    ncgapp

  • Bearbuck said...

    1st and foremost I do understand your opinions and the frustration that comes with it...

    But in all honesty, if you can beat them in snow then likewise you should be able to really put a hurtin' on them in perfect field conditions...

    And if you're a good enough team....you travel well and take it to them in their own back yard. Just sayin.

    They've won 6 NC's straight and 4 different teams have won it. As much as I can't stand all the SEC hype.....that doesn't sound top heavy to me.

    I agree they've had a little help getting there for sure and this last NC doesn't really count in my opinion because it's not a real NC matchup. You've got to at the very least win your conference to get your shot and that didn't happen.

    One dynamic player in Cam Newton won that whole season for Auburn, who should have been a very mediocre team and still that is very sceptical and we all know he was paid for. Florida was only awesome when Meyer was there and he's not anymore. Alabama oversigns tremendously not just a little, I mean tremendously LSU had microphones in their locker rooms to listen to opposing teams gameplans per the Saints coaching staff. Georgia almost ran their division in the SEC but was beaten by Boise pretty well at the beginning. The more I think about the SEC, the more I think of what It might have been like if the rules were applied to them, all of the rules down to the smallest. But we will never know will we??? Thats what makes me upset.

    Also which SEC team beat who in the snow? This topic was not to see who the strongest conf is, it was to explain that the B1G is by far, by far not the weakest.

    You really don't think the SEC is top heavy???

    This post was edited by COODanke on 7/23/2012 at 12:55 PM

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • CO Dank said...

    Alabama oversigns tremendously not just a little,

    You just pulled out whiners complaint #2.

    First the weather fallacy, now the over signing. What's next? North/South genetics?

    Who cares about over signing. Yes it sucks and it does give them an advantage, but it's not the reason we got our asses waxed when we played those two NCs. It ain't gonna change for the foreseeable future so we need to deal with it and make ourselves better than we've been. I think you'll see what a difference Urban makes and the excuses the whiners have used will start falling by the wayside...although I have no doubt they'll come up with new ones.

    IndyDog

  • IndyDog said...

    You just pulled out whiners complaint #2.

    First the weather fallacy, now the over signing. What's next? North/South genetics?

    Who cares about over signing. Yes it sucks and it does give them an advantage, but it's not the reason we got our asses waxed when we played those two NCs. It ain't gonna change for the foreseeable future so we need to deal with it and make ourselves better than we've been. I think you'll see what a difference Urban makes and the excuses the whiners have used will start falling by the wayside...although I have no doubt they'll come up with new ones.

    Two questions indy:

    (1) Didn't the SEC cap recruiting class sizes in the last few years in response to the oversigning criticism?

    (2) When you say we'll see what a difference Urban makes, are you comparing that to last year, or to the Tressel era? Or, are you referring to the excuses we make? Just curious.

    I don't like excuses, but I do believe that homers for all teams make them. We are just
    more familiar with our own. Most don't hold water.

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    ncgapp

  • So you don't feel that oversigning could make all the difference in players like Mark Ingram, Dre Kirkpatrick, Trent Richardson. Do you think Saban would risk the penalty for oversigning if it didn't involve an elite player? Is it against the rules?........yup. Were they broken?............yup. Does this occur way too much in the $EC?........yup. Were they ever pentalized for it?..............nope. Does it give them an unfair advantage against the rest of the CFB world?

    So why does that not matter to you?

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • ncgapp said...

    Two questions indy:

    (1) Didn't the SEC cap recruiting class sizes in the last few years in response to the oversigning criticism?

    (2) When you say we'll see what a difference Urban makes, are you comparing that to last year, or to the Tressel era? Or, are you referring to the excuses we make? Just curious.

    I don't like excuses, but I do believe that homers for all teams make them. We are just more familiar with our own. Most don't hold water.

    ncgapp

    1) My understanding is although they "capped" scholarship openings at 25, they can still over sign up to 25 for lesser openings, then "manage" the number to the correct number of openings. from 28 to 25 is a start but not the whole picture.

    2) I'm referring to the difference you'll see between the Tressel era and the Meyer era. It'll be hard to equal Tressel's record but I think the gap closes in the top tier team games...that'll be the difference.

    IndyDog

  • CO Dank said...

    So you don't feel that oversigning could make all the difference in players like Mark Ingram, Dre Kirkpatrick, Trent Richardson. Do you think Saban would risk the penalty for oversigning if it didn't involve an elite player? Is it against the rules?........yup. Were they broken?............yup. Does this occur way too much in the $EC?........yup. Were they ever pentalized for it?..............nope. Does it give them an unfair advantage against the rest of the CFB world?

    So why does that not matter to you?

    It's possible, but I think Tressel's teams were nowhere near prepared from a personnel or game planning standpoint vs. the some of the top teams we lost to, a much bigger factor than over signing IMO.

    We all know about over signing...do we chuck in the towel because of it? What happens when we beat a team that oversigns...what do you say then? Why didn't I hear any over signing complaints when we beat Arkansas?

    IndyDog

  • No I definately agree that Tressel just couldn't pull it off. I won't say it was a talent issue.......I think the talent level was pretty much even on both sides, besides Glenn Dorsey. We couldn't contain that guy or Jacob Lester. But no one can say for sure if those 2 players would have been there had they followed the rules and not oversigned. Oversigning every year could be the difference between the dynamic players, otherwise why risk it. Imagine if Glenn Dorsey, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, and Jacob Lester had not been on that team because there was not room for their schollies from previous years.

    See my point homie???

    This post was edited by COODanke on 7/23/2012 at 1:53 PM

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • IndyDog said...

    ncgapp

    1) My understanding is although they "capped" scholarship openings at 25, they can still over sign up to 25 for lesser openings, then "manage" the number to the correct number of openings. from 28 to 25 is a start but not the whole picture.

    2) I'm referring to the difference you'll see between the Tressel era and the Meyer era. It'll be hard to equal Tressel's record but I think the gap closes in the top tier team games...that'll be the difference.

    Thanks for the response.

    I think that the SEC cap does help, in that it seems to limit signings to 100 over
    a four year period. That allows for attrition of 15 in a four-year class to keep
    85 on scholarship, which I think is reasonable (yes, I know that there are 5th year seniors, but this is just for rough calculation). I don't know of any conference that limits class size
    beyond a hard cap of 25, but I could be wrong.

    We will see about Urban vs. JT in big games. That will have to play itself out, obviously.

    I really liked Tressel, and still do even now, so I tend to defend
    his record, but I was OK with our out of conference performance, even in the
    "big" games. We did have a few very disappointing losses that detracted
    heavily from what could have been, but we did also have some big wins.

    Urban obviously comes to town with a full resume and two national titles. So it
    will be fun to see if you are right about what will happen in big games.

    I am looking forward to some football.

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    ncgapp

  • all you need to know about the SEC. have you all checked out the situation at Univ of Tennessee lately???? I believe 30-40 of their players are on academic probation. SEC may be good at football, but when it comes to academics, those programs are definitely doing everything they can to hide problems and get those kids through school. What was Morris Claiborne's wonderlic score? He got a 4. Yes, I know he said that he didn't try, but we all know that's total BS.

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    dossbuckeyes

  • CO Dank said...

    I get so tired of hearing the the B1G is the weakest conference out there. Besides the recent years of the dissapointing performances in Bowl games, I don't know where they come off. The B1G is the only conference that is not top heavy. The SEC is top heavy (LSU, ALA, FLA) The B1G 12 (Texas, OK) The Pac 12 (Stan, USC, OK). And the ACC (FLA ST, VT.) The B1G is 3rd in putting players in the NFL and only a few players behind the ACC. You could argue that OSU, SCum, MSU, Wisky, NEB, and until recently PSU have legit shots at winning the B1G. NW is the ultimate "upset U". Illinois I guarantee will be much better, doing a great job of keeping in-state kids...........well...........in-state. And even a Bowl loss besides a few was not Blow outs like the (cough, cough) National Championship, which if it were any B1G team losing by 28, we would have had no reason being there according to most. \

    Sorry about the RANT but this craps gotta stop.

    Well, who has the "weakest" SAT's?

    buckeyelouey

  • i was at the citrus bowl in the 90s against bama ...was at least 50% bu ... oh nevermins

    wildebuck

  • CO Dank said...

    One dynamic player in Cam Newton won that whole season for Auburn, who should have been a very mediocre team and still that is very sceptical and we all know he was paid for. Florida was only awesome when Meyer was there and he's not anymore. Alabama oversigns tremendously not just a little, I mean tremendously LSU had microphones in their locker rooms to listen to opposing teams gameplans per the Saints coaching staff. Georgia almost ran their division in the SEC but was beaten by Boise pretty well at the beginning. The more I think about the SEC, the more I think of what It might have been like if the rules were applied to them, all of the rules down to the smallest. But we will never know will we??? Thats what makes me upset.

    Also which SEC team beat who in the snow? This topic was not to see who the strongest conf is, it was to explain that the B1G is by far, by far not the weakest.

    You really don't think the SEC is top heavy???

    Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, Alabama have all won NC's the last 20 years. That's 5 teams. As much as I dislike the SEC....it is what it is. I don't think that's top heavy considering that all the other conferences pale in comparison. The next closest conference to that # is The Big 12 with Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska.

    One dynamic player in Cam Newton is for sure....he was a phenom. Be that as it may....he can't win a game completely by himself. Everything has to fall into the right place for him i.e. people blocking for him, running the ball hard and catching passes. One single person can't win a football game without his teammates supporting and contributing to his efforts.

    But I do understand what you're saying....I just don't necessarily agree with all of it.

    Interesting post though and definitely makes for great conversation. I enjoy reading your posts.

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    Bearbuck

  • buckeyelouey said...

    Well, who has the "weakest" SAT's?

    That's funny.

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • Bearbuck said...

    I enjoy reading your posts.

    Thats the most sincere thing anyone has ever said to me...........cry

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • Bearbuck said...

    Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, Alabama have all won NC's the last 20 years. That's 5 teams. As much as I dislike the SEC....it is what it is. I don't think that's top heavy considering that all the other conferences pale in comparison. The next closest conference to that # is The Big 12 with Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska.

    One dynamic player in Cam Newton is for sure....he was a phenom. Be that as it may....he can't win a game completely by himself. Everything has to fall into the right place for him i.e. people blocking for him, running the ball hard and catching passes. One single person can't win a football game without his teammates supporting and contributing to his efforts.

    But I do understand what you're saying....I just don't necessarily agree with all of it.

    Interesting post though and definitely makes for great conversation. I enjoy reading your posts.

    But for real besides one NC in 20 yrs, and Auburns....... compared to their recent seasons which has gone considerably "under par" I feel they shouldn't be on your list.

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • CO Dank said...

    But for real besides one NC in 20 yrs, and Auburns....... compared to their recent seasons which has gone considerably "under par" I feel they shouldn't be on your list.

    I mean that's a fair point.....and they were matched up against Oregon who I think is one of the most over-rated teams in all of college football. They play zero....absolutely zero defense.

    But still...Auburn had to get there and Auburn still had to win the game which they did.

    Ok.

    So by eliminating Auburn...that's still 4 different teams.

    Big 12=3
    B1G Ten=2
    ACC=2.

    I would just say I think they are less top heavy than those other conferences.

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    Bearbuck

  • Besides LSU I would like to know who travels in the SEC? It sure the hell ain't the Fla Gayturds. Maybe I am wrong on this one, it just seems like they don't travel all that much.

    I recall reading an article not to long ago that said Fla would not leave Fla and they didn't need to

    THEnutbuster

  • CO Dank said...
    Oversigning every year could be the difference between the dynamic players, otherwise why risk it. Imagine if Glenn Dorsey, Jamarcus Russell, Matt Flynn, and Jacob Lester had not been on that team because there was not room for their schollies from previous years.

    I see the point but I'll play the devil's advocate and say that maybe we win if Tressel goes after different players...no way to tell. I do think over signing is A factor, but not THE factor. To me it's a bit down the list.

    IndyDog