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Would people accept OSU moving to another conference?

  • Chuman said...

    What about the B12? I wouldn't mind seeing OSU go there. I would actually like for the B12 and B1G combine conference, and then trim the fat. You can have 1-2 shitty teams but that's it. 14 teams - Okl, TX, Okl State, Kansas (BB), WVU, Baylor (Academics/BB), Braska, OSU, UM, Wisky, MSU, Indiana (BB), PSU, Illini.

    Plan B - you can sub in Northwestern in for Illini for Academics standards. But we really know it doesn't mean crap about academics, so if this is the case, drop NW and Baylor and add 2 more teams - maybe for BB reasons.

    I like that conference Chu but I would leave PSU out. They have never felt like they belong in the B1G. If you talk to some of their fans they would prefer to be in the ACC as they feel like Maryland, Virginia Tech, Virginia, etc. would be more natural rivals. How about the Domers instead of PSU?

    shep777

  • As for me personally I would not want to be any conference except the B10 due to the proximity of the teams and the long standing rivalaries and tradition. I would however entertain the thought of being independent but think now days an independent team would have a hard time making it. The trend seems to be moving away from independents.

    dbuckeye44

  • grccoins said...

    (Insert nasty word of your choosing) NO!

    Firstly, regardless of what is going on atm, there is something to playing not only Michigan, but all of the other Big10 teams - the historical relationships and rivalries are much too important (to me).

    Secondly, switching just because of relative conference strength is not smart. Fifteen years ago the Big10 was a much better football conference than the SEC. Right now the Big10 is better in basketball. The SEC looks like it is in for a long run, but it could change over th enext ten years and then you've switched for nothing.

    Thirdly, in the Big10 travel to away games is for the most part reasonable in both cost and time (well, maybe not with $4 per gallon gasoline). Switching to another major conference would make travel nearly impossible for many.

    Some people have mentioned about scheduling a second out-of-conference football game with a significant opponent every year. I don't see it happening. It's tough to get good teams to want to play you, and it doesn't make much sense to put 2 risky games on the OOC schedule when most other schools have one or none. The Big10 recovering some of it's power would address much of that. If Michigan University rebounds under Jabba the Hoke, MSU continues it's run with Dantonio, and Wisconsin likewise with the Whiner, then we only need a few other teams to rise to that level to get theBig10 much closer to the SEC. Among Nebraska, Penn St, Illinois and Iowa (in the near term) hopefully we can see that. And frankly, the rest of the Big10 (Indy, Purdue, Minny, NW) has a ways to go but all of those programs seem to be possibly heading in the right direction. Also, while the cream of the SEC is as good as ever, there seems to be more of a dropoff now once you get into the pack. A few years ago the SEC was killer top to bottom, to me it doesn't seem so anymore.

    BTW, does losing a title game 21-0 hurt more than 41-14? I sure hope so.

    If you think about it it's not about the conference but who wins the NCG. SEC is dominate- are they really? Yes they have won the last 6 NCG. But last year it was between 2 SEC teams. So really that's only 5. Go back 5 years ago then. Bama was terrible. They were 6-7 in 2006. Ark lost to Wisky in the Capital One bowl for their 4th lose. 2007 Auburn lost 4 games. In 2008 they lost 8 games. In 2009 they lost 5 games. Only to win it all in 2010.

    LSU lost 2 games in 2006, lost 2 games in 2007- but beat OSU for the NCG. Lost 5 games the next year in 2008. Lost 4 games in 2009 (lost to PSI in the bowl game). Not going to go through every SEC schedule. But it's about any given year. All these SEc are not dominate each and every year. It's about 1 year they have a unbelievable run and win the NCG.

    Hear me out: and this is an "IF" situation. Let's say the SEC takes half the NCG they are in. Do you think that they (the networks) will say SEC is the dominate conference. Not sure.

    This is why I get pissed when people hate on the other B1G schools and don't want them to succeeded. All I hear is about Fuck PSU and UM, and Wisky- I just want OSU to win. YES true, but if we have a down year, we have to root for other B1G teams to do good. It only makes us look better. See the example above. LSU sucked for several of those years, but since they won 1 NCG and the SEC won the others- they threw LSU and the SEC as the best conference. Perception people.

    Chuman

  • Not for the near future but I could envision a time 20-30 years down the road when the B1G has possibly expanded to 16 teams, that the benefits of intimacy from the original 10 member league would be gone. No one knows the future, but all it would take is Ohio State and Michigan to say good bye and form the "Great Lakes Conference" and the other members would be lining up to be selected as the other 8 members.

    osuum

  • mapatton said...

    A Big Ten without Ohio State!!!!!.......UHHHH NO!

    +1 This ^^^^^

    GoBuxGo

  • It depends on which definition of the word, "accept," you're talking about. If it happened, I would accept it, because it would be reality (using the definition: to recognize as true). However, I would not accept it by another definition: to make a favorable response to.

    Ohio State is the top dog in the B1G region right now and has been for quite some time. Moving to another conference would mean playing more teams outside of our region and would likely diminish fan support and recruiting over the long haul. Also, leaving the conference with the best TV network setup would be foolish. Maybe the Big Ten tradition is just too ingrained in me, but I like the conference and the region and think OSU would be crazy to leave it.

    Zeuslerus

  • Chuman said...

    If you think about it it's not about the conference but who wins the NCG. SEC is dominate- are they really? Yes they have won the last 6 NCG. But last year it was between 2 SEC teams. So really that's only 5. Go back 5 years ago then. Bama was terrible. They were 6-7 in 2006. Ark lost to Wisky in the Capital One bowl for their 4th lose. 2007 Auburn lost 4 games. In 2008 they lost 8 games. In 2009 they lost 5 games. Only to win it all in 2010.

    LSU lost 2 games in 2006, lost 2 games in 2007- but beat OSU for the NCG. Lost 5 games the next year in 2008. Lost 4 games in 2009 (lost to PSI in the bowl game). Not going to go through every SEC schedule. But it's about any given year. All these SEc are not dominate each and every year. It's about 1 year they have a unbelievable run and win the NCG.

    Hear me out: and this is an "IF" situation. Let's say the SEC takes half the NCG they are in. Do you think that they (the networks) will say SEC is the dominate conference. Not sure.

    This is why I get pissed when people hate on the other B1G schools and don't want them to succeeded. All I hear is about Fuck PSU and UM, and Wisky- I just want OSU to win. YES true, but if we have a down year, we have to root for other B1G teams to do good. It only makes us look better. See the example above. LSU sucked for several of those years, but since they won 1 NCG and the SEC won the others- they threw LSU and the SEC as the best conference. Perception people.

    This is all true. Sustaining excellence at the very highest level is close to impossible.

    And if we joined another conference we'd be bitching about all those schools too.

    GoBuxGo

  • shep777 said...

    I like that conference Chu but I would leave PSU out. They have never felt like they belong in the B1G.

    Same with me, they've always felt like an outsider to me, so does Nebraska. Nebraska works but this conference jumbling is just distasteful to me, it's annoying, destroys rivalries, and is done for the express purpose of money.

    IndyDog

  • Chuman said...

    If you think about it it's not about the conference but who wins the NCG. SEC is dominate- are they really? Yes they have won the last 6 NCG. But last year it was between 2 SEC teams. So really that's only 5. Go back 5 years ago then. Bama was terrible. They were 6-7 in 2006. Ark lost to Wisky in the Capital One bowl for their 4th lose. 2007 Auburn lost 4 games. In 2008 they lost 8 games. In 2009 they lost 5 games. Only to win it all in 2010.

    LSU lost 2 games in 2006, lost 2 games in 2007- but beat OSU for the NCG. Lost 5 games the next year in 2008. Lost 4 games in 2009 (lost to PSI in the bowl game). Not going to go through every SEC schedule. But it's about any given year. All these SEc are not dominate each and every year. It's about 1 year they have a unbelievable run and win the NCG.

    Hear me out: and this is an "IF" situation. Let's say the SEC takes half the NCG they are in. Do you think that they (the networks) will say SEC is the dominate conference. Not sure.

    This is why I get pissed when people hate on the other B1G schools and don't want them to succeeded. All I hear is about Fuck PSU and UM, and Wisky- I just want OSU to win. YES true, but if we have a down year, we have to root for other B1G teams to do good. It only makes us look better. See the example above. LSU sucked for several of those years, but since they won 1 NCG and the SEC won the others- they threw LSU and the SEC as the best conference. Perception people.

    You're exactly correct.

    Too often people want to focus solely on the six consecutive BCS titles rather than looking between the lines of how mediocre or lackluster they've been in non BCS bowl games vs schools from other conferences since 2000.

    And in that span Michigan beat Florida twice, MSU beat them once, Iowa and PSU both beat LSU in the Capital One, Northwestern took a solid Auburn defense to 2X OT (not a win but they matched them bit for bit, tat for tat but a B10 school with a bunch of unranked and 2-star recruits isn't supposed to do this against a traditional SEC power). Michigan did beat Alabama in the 2000 Orange Bowl, Wisconsin has wins against both Auburn and Arkansas, MSU recently beat UGA in OT, Iowa smashed South Carolina in the Outback Bowl and on and on.

    And speaking of LSU, the only BCS bowls they've ever played in are in their home away from home stadium of the Superdome (2001, 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2011). It's basically a home game for them playing against northern schools (Illinois, Notre Dame, Ohio State). Furthermore, UGA gets outclassed by Freshman Pat White's West Va in the Georgia Dome in early '06. Alabama gets hammered by a group of undersized and underrecruited players of Utah in what's been their home bowl (Sugar Bowl) just over three years ago. But of course none of these games among others are ever mentioned when praise is being heaped upon the SEC.

    sugarcrystal

  • Chuman said...

    If you think about it it's not about the conference but who wins the NCG. SEC is dominate- are they really? Yes they have won the last 6 NCG. But last year it was between 2 SEC teams. So really that's only 5. Go back 5 years ago then. Bama was terrible. They were 6-7 in 2006. Ark lost to Wisky in the Capital One bowl for their 4th lose. 2007 Auburn lost 4 games. In 2008 they lost 8 games. In 2009 they lost 5 games. Only to win it all in 2010.

    LSU lost 2 games in 2006, lost 2 games in 2007- but beat OSU for the NCG. Lost 5 games the next year in 2008. Lost 4 games in 2009 (lost to PSI in the bowl game). Not going to go through every SEC schedule. But it's about any given year. All these SEc are not dominate each and every year. It's about 1 year they have a unbelievable run and win the NCG.

    Hear me out: and this is an "IF" situation. Let's say the SEC takes half the NCG they are in. Do you think that they (the networks) will say SEC is the dominate conference. Not sure.

    This is why I get pissed when people hate on the other B1G schools and don't want them to succeeded. All I hear is about Fuck PSU and UM, and Wisky- I just want OSU to win. YES true, but if we have a down year, we have to root for other B1G teams to do good. It only makes us look better. See the example above. LSU sucked for several of those years, but since they won 1 NCG and the SEC won the others- they threw LSU and the SEC as the best conference. Perception people.

    One other point I agree with you on is the fact that it's indeed all about conference pride and bragging rights.

    After Florida beat us in '07 what did Reggie Nelson and some of their other players say? How we wouldn't even have been the fifth best team in that conference. How they had too much speed for us, etc.
    Then the next year after losing to LSU, their players didn't chant "LSU" repeatedly. They chanted "SEC, SEC, SEC" while holding up the conference flag.

    To the SEC it's about north vs south and the B10 represents the north--not the B12 or Big East. We do. We're a conference like they are. One that has existed for more than fifty years, with a lot of tradition, folklore and legendary coaches. They see it, we don't. Buckeye faithful still look at things from a '50s- early '90s era when it was all about beating Michigan and going to the Rose Bowl. That's no longer in play. It's about competing against the best teams in the nation. The SEC again gets it and we don't.
    Sure they still maintain their rivalries (Alabama vs Auburn, UGA vs Florida vs Tennessee, Vanderbilt vs Tennessee, Ole Miss vs Miss State, etc.) but at the same time they're all about competing and beating the Notre Dames, Michigans and of course us. Because if they do that, they believe they've won a trophy or the ultimate prize.

    Notre Dame, Michigan and the rest of the B10 brags and feel they've won a prize if they beat up on each other but not until recently as in the past few years would they view it as an accomplishment if they beat an Alabama, Georgia, Florida or LSU. Whereas they've thought like this for decades now. It's instilled in them from an early age from their parents to their Pop Warner coaches. Recall Greg McElroy in 2010 when PSU came down there to play: "Let's show these Nordern boyz how us Suddern guys play ball."

    sugarcrystal

  • The B10 needs to expand eastward and not more inward or westward. Joe Paterno pushed for this when the issue of conference expansion first began nearly three years ago.

    I've been on record here saying that when the Big East was falling apart that we should've went in and nabbed either Syracuse or Pitt if not both. Now that both of them have departed to the ACC where they're a complete non fit--both geographically and stylistically, there's Rutgers that remains who we should pursue. They're an ideal fit academically and in a few sporting arenas. The football program is expanding and continuing on an upward trajectory since 2006. Plus we'd have access to the NYC area instead of continuing to cede it to the ACC or possibly the SEC East.

    I also said that if we did go westward or look within the general so-called midwestern region that we should've taken Missouri. They wanted to join right around the time Nebraska was looking to do so but something fell apart with negotiations and now they've joined the SEC. In turn making them a more viable brand in both football and basketball.

    Our loss is another's gain.

    sugarcrystal

  • There's no doubt in my mind we missed the boat on Missouri. Great fit academically, geographically and athletically. As far as total brand is concerned, i.e. more than just football, I personally preferred them over Nebraska. I am not in favor of expansion purely for the sake of expansion. I wouldn't have gone for adding Syracuse. Ever been there? It's a hole, classic rust belt city that Time's forgotten. And they football indoors. I think the B1G would've helped Pitt more than Pitt would've helped us. The only viable options are ND, Rutgers and maybe snagging an ACC school. Our problem is Delaney & Co want to keep a place set at the table for ND.

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    There's no doubt in my mind we missed the boat on Missouri. Great fit academically, geographically and athletically. As far as total brand is concerned, i.e. more than just football, I personally preferred them over Nebraska. I am not in favor of expansion purely for the sake of expansion. I wouldn't have gone for adding Syracuse. Ever been there? It's a hole, classic rust belt city that Time's forgotten. And they football indoors. I think the B1G would've helped Pitt more than Pitt would've helped us. The only viable options are ND, Rutgers and maybe snagging an ACC school. Our problem is Delaney & Co want to keep a place set at the table for ND.

    who gives a shit if the college fits academicaqlly . all i car aboot is fotball
    and basektballs !

    soflabuck

  • Rutgers would never work...just move on please.

    IndyDog

  • No.

    South eastern conference. Is what SEC stands for.

    Big 10 is a better all around conference by far.

    Charske

  • Why is the OP getting down voted? Lighten up folks!

    Iowa, I agree. We missed the boat with Mizzou.

    "Buckeye born and bred, a Buckeye 'til I'm dead"

    miguelissimo

  • soflabuck said...

    who gives a shit if the college fits academicaqlly . all i car aboot is fotball and basektballs !

    Well, I can see where you wouldn't...

    iowabuckeyes

  • I totally agree Iowa. I was screaming for Missouri when the expansion was going on. They were perfect. Not that I don't like Nebraska, but Missouri was my first choice. Ideally I would have liked to see both of them and 1 more to go to 14. Get them while you can, because the conferences are going to have to get bigger. Its gonna end up part of the playoff plan. We totally dropped the ball on Missouri.

    BuckDigger

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