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What helps you win more at winning: playing a half-dozen of your best players whom you know are inelligible, or having your entire team practice for 20 minutes extra per week?

Still at it, huh prick?

How about you stop with your act and head on over to your own board? I think I speak for the masses here when I say that I am a bit tired of you and the picture of your little sister's breasts talking shit on the buckeye board.

How about you go on over to the scUM board or Pedophile state's board and save us the hassle of listening to your bull shat?

Oh, okay. Soooo... start a thred about delusional Michigan fans, but when one actually debates you on it, just swear as many times as you can and tell them to go away? No, see the thing is, you actually DON'T speak for the masses here, you only speak for an agressively vocal minority, thankfully. 80% of your brethren are sitting on the sidelines wishing quietly that you'd stop making an ass of yourself with your neanderthal remarks, and either let the thread die or engage the enemy on the merits... not stoop to the level to which you so quickly descend.

....a reality in which that without Ohio, there'd be no UM football program. An example of history repeating itself like no other, in that over and over again the best UM can come up with is from O-H-I-O.

Hmm, great question.

~100 players x 20 minutes = 2000 minutes extra practice time per week when you break it down by the benefit each individual player is receiving. After all this wasn't just one player getting an extra 20 minutes. This was every team member and coach. Didn't you guys have extra coaches, too? (not that I care, you guys were still awful in 2009, but in the interest of a fair comparison, it would be noteworthy)

This would equate to 24000 minutes (or 400 hours) of extra practice time over a 12-game season, not including fall camp (did you guys cheat during fall camp, also or just during the season?) or the 2008 season (see bottom of post).

I think TP was pretty darn valuable to the team so at worst I'd say it's an even split simply because TP was THAT valuable to the offense, but 400+ hours of extra practice is A LOT. Especially when you consider that this is your starting offense, defense, and special teams, as well as their backups and coaches getting extra time.

The fortunate thing for your school and fanbase when you guys did all this cheating is that your squad was god-awful anyway and had been god-awful under RR, so there wasn't all that much attention brought to you on a national scale simply because no one cared about Michigan. You were irrelevant. Same reason NC didn't get all that much attention with their violations -- no one cares about NC football. Ohio State had been a dominant force in college football since 2002, an 8 year period, not to mention we have one of the largest, most hated fanbases in college football and the largest sports network on the planet is in bed with the SEC, with the Big Ten Network being one of its competitors so the opportunity to slander the dominant team in the Big Ten when something happened was just too easy for them to pass up. This is why there is a national perception that what Tressel did is worse than Oregon / Miami, etc. It's all about the spin, baby.

Oh and just to add, I did a little additional digging on your cheating ways in 2009 as I really hadn't followed it that closely to date because I didn't care until you posed this question -- like I said you guys were awful even with the cheating so the details didn't really interest me that much at the time. I didn't realize that you guys cheated in 2008 also (http://www.freep.com/article/20090829/SPORTS06/90829021/1318/Michigan-football-program-broke-rules--players-say), so that would equate to even more hours than I listed above. Wow. That's a lot of cheating. Telling quote from the article:

"The players say they routinely are required to work out or practice many more hours throughout the year than the NCAA allows. They also say members of Rodriguez’s staff have broken rules by monitoring off-season scrimmages. "

Many more hours throughout the year than the NCAA allows. Wow. Was it really 20 minutes per practice as you said above. Sounds like it might have been a lot more. Maybe thousands of hours instead of just the 400 for 2009.

I can't believe you're still at this. You bitched at someone else for failing to engage you in rational debate, but you just keep coming back with the same uniformed bullshit. This time, you've proven to me that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You are once again minimizing scUM's violations. Razor already chewed you up on that point so I'm not going to pile on. And as I previously mentioned you have to be pretty fucking stupid to truly buy the bullshit coming out of AA (is a whore). Sure, they only accidentally practiced/stretched 20 minutes too long occasionally and didn't know the rules. I simply cannot believe any right minded person would buy that based on the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. However, if any of us ever tries to defend Tressel in even the slightest way, we are blind, ignorant, homers.

Second (and the proof that you don't know shit about our situation), you (like everyone else desperate to hate on us) dropped the magic number... half-a-dozen. Even accepting that the two e-mails sent by Cicero are proof fucking positive that Tressel knew he had ineligible players, he did not know he had 6 ineligible players. Cicero's e-mails mention Pryor and Posey only. Important players to be certain, but the others were never named. I suppose at that point Tress should've suspended the whole team until a full investigation was complete. However, you citing that magic number is proof positive to me that you've never done any investigating or independent research (or thought) on your own. You come onto our board and happily regurgitate what you've seen on E!SecPN without hesitation. You then accept the bullshit fed to you by your program without question. And then you come onto our board and accuse us of failing to engage in rational debate.

Holy shit.

Alright ya ignorant prick. I've seen enough. Time to talk a little bit of common sense here. I realize its hard for a Michigan man to do but please try for the sake of showing that you can comprehend anything rational. Your going to tell me that JT willingly and knowingly played ineligible players? And that's how he cheated so badly? Let's look at this for a second. Some guys traded their personal items for tattoos. There is not one person in this world that would have ever believed their was anything wrong with that before last year. Not one damn person. And of course you are going to try to tell me that its in the rules and you somehow knew (bullshit). I can totally see how anyone wouldn't see a problem with that. So in other words, Prior is not allowed to sell his basketball sneakers from when he was a sophomore in HS? Call it stupid but I guarantee nobody would buy mine. But his woulda been worth 500 probably. Why is that? Because of his NCAA exposure. Violation! Let's go one step further. What if there was an opening for the front counter at McDonalds? Two people apply. TP, and someone more qualified. Who do you think gets the job? Yup. TP. Why? Cause he could get more customers in. Why? NCAA exposure. Violation! So you are going to sit here and tell me that you have thought all of that through? Just like everyone else in the world has I suppose? Where does the violations end? I'm willing to bet an enormous amount of money that, when looking at it this way, your Michigan team is also violating. The difference is that nobody cares. Why should they? They don't generate crap from a simple news article about Michigan. So something to keep in mind, you can make up every bullshit excuse in the world about your shitty decade, but it still boils down to reality. Nobody thought there was a violation until after the media made it one against us. Nobody! Not one person in this world thought that college football controlled such an indentured servantness to say that a person cannot, earn any amount of money, in any way, shape, or form, during their time period of playing college football. And I mean no way. 20 dollars as a Christmas gift? No way. Nothing. However you knew this right? Because this rule can be construed this way. God forbid if a Michigan player gets a summer job cutting lawns. Especially if there was another person that applied for the job also. Misuse of NCAA exposure! Violation!

Oh pleezzz.....accidentally. You losers are killing me, jeezzzzzzzzzzz

GO BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You meatchicken go back to your meatchicken state and DON'T COME BACK