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They are ALL marginal until they prove otherwise.

I don't see the problem with what he said. Truth hurt? Oh wait, maybe we shouldn't spank our kids. Let teachers raise our children instead of US being a parent. Well...guess what? Life isn't easy and someone isn't always going to be there to hold the door for ya.

Sack up...time to go to work ladies! lol

Then why have them sign an LOI in the first place? It's disingenuous. If he's going to run them off after they're on campus, that's where we cross the line and start acting like the SEC. Especially if he expects to have 81, which puts us 1 below our maximum?

I'm just not buying it unless it's some sort of psychological ploy to motivate his players and/or his coaches to bring in nothing but 4/5 stars in 2013.

Urban's message may have been aimed at the guys who signed the LOI, but who aren't on board yet.

I can only speculate that maybe Urban didn't want to undermine Fickell's recruiting efforts at the point he came on board, which is why he "honored" them. Maybe he didn't want to send a bad message to Ohio high school coaches either by undermining the good relationship they had built with Tressel.

As recruiting picked up steam and Urban realized he had a chance to upgrade beyond his initial expectation, it became more and more necessary to run some guys off. As you may recall, he had a pretty quick trigger with Clarke and Gambrell.

Obviously, this is alot of speculation, but I don't like what he apparently said to the media. Meyer has done a great job so far into his tenure, but he is going to make some mistakes. This statement may be among them.

First, Meyer had to honor the marginal recruits that Fickell and the bozo staff recruited and received verbals from.
Meyer would have never recruited some of those players that lack speed.
Fans will learn that Meyer will quickly weed out the players who don't have speed and athletic talent to make plays.
It will take him next year to get rid of those players.
He will also bench players that don't produce and quickly try another player.
At Florida his 2nd and 3rd string players were all fast -that isn't the case here.He will move quickly to change that.
Why would anyone be surprised when he called some of them marginal after he already said a lot of the current players were out of shape and too slow.
Big time changes are coming with Meyer so the players and fans better accept it.

Hey dude- Meyer WON 2 National Championships in the SEC.
His record against the 3 main rivals(FSU,Georgia, Tennessee) is 17-2.
His bowl record is 7-1.

If Michigan was in the SEC the last few years they would have 3-8.

actually his 3 main rivals Georgia LSU and Bama he finished 3-9 vs with avg score 34-13 and 6-17 vs ranked teams in his last 23 games .
Michigan is 20-3 its past 23 games vs SEC something like 24-5-2 overall vs SEC

The first part of your quote is BOGUS. But the second half in regard to Michigan, I somewhat agree with.

I've long pointed out how our record vs the Big 12 was quite favorable. But for Michigan, it wasn't. They often struggled against the B12 and Pac 12 in bowls where we struggled mightily at times against the SEC--something Michigan didn't. In fact, Michigan beat Florida twice in the 2000s: first in '02 and again in the '07 Capital One Bowl.

Keep kids heads from swelling.

And yet he's RAVED about Fickell, Vrabel and even the coaches who were let go for holding the class together and losing only one commit after Tressel's resignation and through all the uncertainty that followed in its turbulent wake. So which is it: they were bozos who recruited losers or they gallantly kept the class together? Because it can't be both unless he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.

He also could have let the "marginal" kids know that he would honor their commitments but they'd be coming to OSU knowing they'd probably never get a chance play and would end up transferring anyway and encouraged them to decommit and sign somewhere else, even another B1G where they would have had a chance to prove him wrong to his face. Purdue, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, PSU with the underwhelming class of 2-and 3-stars it ended up with, UC, the MAC schools--any of the them might have taken Roberts, Boren, Elflein, Thomas, Powell, and/or Eritropoulos--who, even if he only punts and holds for XPs and FGs, will automatically become the most athletic punter and holder in the B1G and give us another ST weapon--no questions asked. And yet they didn't. Not a single one of them left.

they struggle vs Big 12 and pac 10?
16-9 vs USC 18-5-2 vs rest of pac 10 '
33-6-1 vs current big 12 reams i guess 65-20-3 is struggling

It's a completely valid point to discuss. Stop calling him a troll for bringing it up!

Are you so insecure that now we aren't allowed to even ask a question or wonder out loud about something??? We ALL love Urban. But stop acting like little girls!

You aren't a troll just because you don't agree with everything the coach does.

Meyer is NOT perfect! In fact, he's pretty hardcore and will ruffle some feathers to be sure! All you guys who want to shut people up for saying anything bad about him were just hating his guts and calling him the devil a few years ago!! Sharif Floyd ring a bell??

Grow up and let people discuss things.

I wouldn't exactly call what the Brew Crew did before this year a bomb and you are an idiot for saying so! They won a Rose Bowl, a Sugar Bowl and barley lost the Fiesta Bowl. Not to mention beat the living shit out of their hated rival 3 straight during that time. This past year was hardly their fault. If you's like to say that TP ruined the program because of his off the filed actions... then I'd understand. But that class did not just simply "bomb."

I love debate. Flame away. But at least try not to look like a horses ass while you do it.