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I just recently started following recruiting. From what I read, Cooper was a very good recruiter and recruited kids more nationally than Tressel. When Tressel came in, he started going after more Ohio kids and recruited less nationally, correct? My question is, with Meyer doing the same thing as Cooper, will he be less successful against scUm like Cooper? My reasoning, scUm is going after Ohio kids, and kids are going there because Meyer not offering. Will that provide extra motivation to beat the Buckeyes? All know is I LOVED the way Tress dominated scUm and hoping it will continue.
Meyer isn't recruiting kids based on location, he's simply getting the most talented and athletic prospects that fit HIS system- no matter where their from. Consequently, this national recruiting is leaving the door wide open for other regional schools to swoop in, like scUm, and grab the Ohio prospects we don't want. I wouldn't be worried, we're still securing verbals from top flight Ohio kids, (Marshall, Burrows, Price, Lisle etc.) that will never change. But it will be interesting to see how our broadened recruiting will effect some of the lower quality B1G programs, who will now be getting the kids that PSU, Wisky, MSU can't fit in their classes.
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Welcome to the board. Here are my answers to your questions:
"When Tressel came in, he started going after more Ohio kids and recruited less nationally, correct?"
"... with Meyer doing the same thing as Cooper, will he be less successful against scUm like Cooper?"
"My reasoning, scUm is going after Ohio kids, and kids are going there because Meyer not offering. Will that provide extra motivation to beat the Buckeyes?"
scUM will be in for another decade of hell if they need any extra motivation to beat us!
Cooper was a better recruiter than Tressel. But Tressel played to his strenghts, which was getting Ohio kids, and he was very succesful at doing so. But the difference between Cooper and Tressel's ability to win games has nothing to do with those differences in recruiting and everything to do with how they managed games. Tressel is a good in game manager. For all the talk about how poor of an offensive coach he was he knew how to play to his teams strengths and got the best out of them on saturday's. This is true even if he didn't always do the best at developing the kids. Cooper, on the other hand, was a poor game manager. He made poor decisions in tough situations and seemed to completely let the magnitude of the games throw him off the ability to game plan correctly. He was almost night and day between the way he coached big games and the way he coached regular games. Meyer, as he has already shown, is a very good game manager and recruiter. And therefore he should be able to have at least more success than Cooper, if not as much or more than Tressel.
I'm also concerned that Meyer is falling into the same traps as Cooper did. I don't like seeing Ohio kids go to scUM. Expectations are very very high on UFM, and he doesn't win more than he loses against scUM, people will want to run him out of town. Especially given that huge contract he signed.
For once! I have to agree with All Day But don't get used to it.
Recruiting and Gameday Coaching are two completely different things, and you aren't going to find a better Gameday Coach then Urban Meyer. If you didn't find that out after He whipped our Asses in the NC game, then you never will.
Tressel coaches NOT TO LOSE
Urban coaches to WIN
This post was edited by Catdaddyh 2 years ago
Welcome new guy!
Coops recruiting was 2nd to none.....he just couldnt win the big one....and he recruited very well out of state...
Tress got lots of ohio guys, and we couldnt compete with the SEC....fact.
TO win it all....recruit the cream of the crop in ohio.....and go after the best from out of state. Its the only way.. Im gonna catch hell for this...but a Buckeye team made up of only Ohio kids wont be good enough to get it done...and we have all seen that....42-14....and lets be honest...Urb could of scored 80 on the Buckeyes that game if he wanted to. The first, and only time he will ever show mercy on anyone.
Once URb gets 2 or 3 years of his guys in here.....my god its going to be ridiculous.
Thanks for all the info, I'm not a guy, hope that's okay with all you guys and still reply to me:)
What is also interesting is that when Cooper took less Ohio kids schools such as TTUN and Notre Dame were better. When Tressel closed the borders they were worse and the entire Big 10 was down. With the right coaching, Cooper's teams were probably better equipt to beat the SEC. That is what is so exciting about Meyer. He may be the combination of both. I believe Ohio State will compete nationally on a yearly basis and the B10 as a conference will get better because more Ohio kids will be available to the other schools.
No......Cooper was a hell of a recruiter but was not a great coach when it came to coaching against the skunk weasals. Tressel was a better coach in those situations and it showed. If coop was a better coach against them, we would of beat them almost every year, we had that much better talent. If tressel was able to recuit better out of state like coop his record would of still be the same as it was over the last decade, he was a better game day coach against them. Meyer is the perfect match between the two of them. He recruits and wins his big games.
Most here don't remember how Cooper pissed the coaches of Northeast Ohio off and they wouldn't send their kids to Ohio State or they would try to direct them elsewhere. Tressels ties to that part of the state really helped him heal that old wound. Lets hope Meyer doesn't create a new wound. Regardless of what anyone says Cooper let tow Heisman trophy winners leave the state and go to Michigan. I hope Coach Urban doesn't do the same. That being said Tressel had a hard time recruiting Cincy area where Coop owned that area. Only time will tell.
Cooper looked like a deer in the headlights when it was 3rd and 10 with 3 min left and down by 2.
One thing that bothers me about Meyer, and also bothered me about Coop, is that I'm not sure Meyer has contempt and hatred for that TTUN. I want an OSU coach that cannot stand the TTUN, and doesn't sleep at night because he has nightmares of the copper era. The sweater vest was very calm and collected, but you could tell, deep down, be had so much disdain for the TTUN. Meyer has said the scUM job was one of his dream jobs...... I don't like that.
Meyers lack of disdain for TTUN is also spilling over into his recruiting style. He's perfectly content letting Ohio kids go north. I know Meyer is getting as good or better OOS kids, but I hate seeing Ohio boys go north.
Yea, me too!!
I really hope after this season this message board can get over the fact that we recruit natinally. Will some Ohio kids go to MSU Wisconsin Scum and be good yes. That was the case in the Tressel era. Please go take a look at when Florida played us and beat one of the best teams Tressel had 41-14. Go back and watch the kickoff return when we played Florida in our bowl game where the guy was untouched for a 96 yard td on a kickoff return, We are no longer looking for 3 and 4 star ohio kids because of star power. Every recruit that comes to OSU will have speed. Meyer's record is better than Tressel and Hoke and Cooper. Cooper never even won a Pac-12 championship. Meyer will continue to recruit tough competing kids that can run. You won't see a Malcolm Jenkins who is on the slow side getting roasted by top competition because he should be playing safety. Only Tressel would have a guy out of position like that, Jenkins is now an All-Pro safety lol. Just so sick and tired of hearing the we are letting too many Ohio kids leave. Meyer is also the best recruiter in the nation maybee second to only Nick Saban. We will be fine we will have way more talent than anyone in the big ten and our speed advantage will show in a year or two. NO longer will you see sweeps by Wisconsin power backs that beat our slow linebackers to the edge for big gains. If you go and watch Jamal Marcus's tape the kid is an All American if his ability translates to college. Our Offense and Defense will see a big infusion on speed all across the board just like the conference that has owned the big ten and won the last 7 national championships. I will side with a model that follows the sec 7 national championship wins, Urban Meyer's recruiting 2 national championships and 2 sec titles.
Well, not really two but definitely one. Woodson's head coach was a big scUM guy. Woodson's dad, if I am correct, was a huge scUM fan also. He was bound for the skunk weasels. Now, Howard was a different story, plus, Coops just got to tOSU when Howard went to scUM. Notre Dame, Penn State and scUM all need Ohio guys to be good. It's a fact!! These schools will benefit from getting Ohio guys but make no mistake about it, Urban will more then likely get the ones he wants and lose very little to those schools.
I wholly agree with the above characterization of the coaches, their recruiting, and their game management. I do think that Meyer will have to do something neither Cooper or Tressel ever had to do and that is, some seasons, play Michigan twice--once in the regular season and then again in the Big Ten Championship game. It is one thing to beat a team once in a season and another to have to beat them twice. Should be an interesting challenge for both teams!
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