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USC IS STILL GETTING BLUE CHIPS WHY ARE WE NOT

  • USC was nearly handed the death penalty, hired one the the shadiest untrustworthy coaches in the game Lame Kitty, and yet they yielded a top 5 class last year and are headed to do the same this year.

    Why is it harder/different for us? Is it that there is just way more tallent in Cali?

  • First, most recruits don't find Lane Kiffen to be Lame Kitty. He is a personable young man and a fantastic recruiter. In addition, his staff are world class recruiters also.

    Second, USC plays a PRO set with dropback quarterback, fullback, the entire package. Recruits perceive that will help them get to the NFL.

    Third, USC is in the second biggest media market in the country and one without a PRO team. Recruits love publicity.

    Fourth, many of the coeds are movie star class lookers.

    Fifth, although many Buckeye fans view Los Angeles as a sh!thole, it is an exciting city full of action

    Sixth, the Southern california is the #1 recruiting area in the country (followed by South Florida)

    And a few show up because it is ranked in the top #25 and several majors much higher.

  • mattincincy said... (original post)

    USC was nearly handed the death penalty, hired one the the shadiest untrustworthy coaches in the game Lame Kitty, and yet they yielded a top 5 class last year and are headed to do the same this year.

    Why is it harder/different for us? Is it that there is just way more tallent in Cali?

    USC is also very aggressive in selling its brand!

    They don't wait around and offer only the kids that come to camp at USC!

    tOSU is far too conservative and tight with the offers. There's no damn reason for not getting top tiered OL and shatting around with obvious players that deserve offers.

    Time to make additional changes and stop letting the likes of Michigan state and scUM get players that from the state of Ohio. Maybe Fickell will learn the lesson????

    GO BUCKS!!

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  • BuckNasty_MD said... (original post)

    USC is also very aggressive in selling its brand!

    They don't wait around and offer only the kids that come to camp at USC!

    tOSU is far too conservative and tight with the offers. There's no damn reason for not getting top tiered OL and shatting around with obvious players that deserve offers.

    Time to make additional changes and stop letting the likes of Michigan state and scUM get players that from the state of Ohio. Maybe Fickell will learn the lesson????

    GO BUCKS!!

    both good responses. I still dont get why the melt down is happening with our recruiting, when it did not with USC's or even Auburn or NC, teams with serious stuff still hanging over their heads are still getting great kids.

    It just seems to me that as we wait for our 10th commitment, way too many kids are saying, "going to wait and see what happens" when really any sanctions we get more than likely are not even going to have an impact on kids that are coming in 2012.

  • TomR1 said... (original post)

    First, most recruits don't find Lane Kiffen to be Lame Kitty. He is a personable young man and a fantastic recruiter. In addition, his staff are world class recruiters also.

    Second, USC plays a PRO set with dropback quarterback, fullback, the entire package. Recruits perceive that will help them get to the NFL.

    Third, USC is in the second biggest media market in the country and one without a PRO team. Recruits love publicity.

    Fourth, many of the coeds are movie star class lookers.

    Fifth, although many Buckeye fans view Los Angeles as a sh!thole, it is an exciting city full of action

    Sixth, the Southern california is the #1 recruiting area in the country (followed by South Florida)

    And a few show up because it is ranked in the top #25 and several majors much higher.

    and the last few years USC has been the only game in town so to speak. Back in the day when UCLA didn't suck they got their share of SoCal recruits. If UCLA ever gets their act together USC will lose some of these kids again. Nowadays a kid seems to prefer being second string at a top notch school like USC as opposed to being first string at another lesser PAC 10 school.

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  • I know USC is the brand, old Pete built it much like Tress did us, only to bail due to sanctions, similar stories really. But you still see all the Cal Blue Chips comitting to USC, when our kids are deciding to go elsewhere. I cannot help but wonder if a lot of it is due to the media ripping us for a straight year, when USC was so long and drawn out, hardly ever even talked about.

  • The answer to this question is Lane Kiffin. He's right at home in LA and has the star power and salesmanship.

    Fickell is a good salesman, but he obviously has no star power. I don't expect Fickell to do anything outside the state, but I sure hate us losing the top Ohio kids. Our sanctions will probably be along the same lines as USC, which I think the media has pretty much said. I don't see this making it any easier on recruiting.

  • I agree with everything TomR1 states in his post. The other thing that sadly we OSU fans sometimes don't recognize is that in my opinion there are schools out there that have more cache nationally than OSU and SC is one of those schools. Outside of lifelong OSU fans that life in Ohio when most recruits weigh an offer from USC and one from OSU they will typically have SC ahead of OSU. Think about it...in the few times over the past years when we've been head to head with SC for a recruit we always end up the bridesmaid and never the bride....think Fred Davis for example. As painful as it is for me to say OSU is not SC to most of college football fans and most potential recruits.

  • One reason is kids know the punishment that USC has gotten where right now kids do not know what OSU is going to get. (If it will be less or more than USC.) That makes a difference. The 2013 kids are more receptive towards OSU than the 2012 kids because they probably feel that the sanctions won't effect them as much.

  • Mattincincy, you answered your own question. There is WAY more talent in SOCAL than in Ohio, just as there is in Texas and FLA. It is simple population dynamics. Top tier high school programs are better than b,c,or d programs (or II,III, or IV programs) simply because they have more athletes to choose from.We do as well as we do because we are the only good D-1 football program in Ohio, and we have no instate recruiting competition.

  • shep777 said... (original post)

    I agree with everything TomR1 states in his post. The other thing that sadly we OSU fans sometimes don't recognize is that in my opinion there are schools out there that have more cache nationally than OSU and SC is one of those schools. Outside of lifelong OSU fans that life in Ohio when most recruits weigh an offer from USC and one from OSU they will typically have SC ahead of OSU. Think about it...in the few times over the past years when we've been head to head with SC for a recruit we always end up the bridesmaid and never the bride....think Fred Davis for example. As painful as it is for me to say OSU is not SC to most of college football fans and most potential recruits.

    I Agree, look for a 18 year old kid not from ohio would you rather be the big men on campus in Hollywood, with great weather,famous beaches and Rodeo drive just a short drive away. i'm sorry to say USC does not have to take a back seat to OSU in putting players in the NFL.The reason why Clowney the number 1 recruit from last year wrote off OSU was because he hated cold weather. It's Sad and not fair but it's reality, We cant match up with the Lore of Southen Cal when it comes to Non football things.

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  • mattincincy said... (original post)

    USC was nearly handed the death penalty, hired one the the shadiest untrustworthy coaches in the game Lame Kitty, and yet they yielded a top 5 class last year and are headed to do the same this year.

    Why is it harder/different for us? Is it that there is just way more tallent in Cali?

    Yeah, we wonder why.

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    TomR1 said... (original post)

    First, most recruits don't find Lane Kiffen to be Lame Kitty. He is a personable young man and a fantastic recruiter. In addition, his staff are world class recruiters also.

    Second, USC plays a PRO set with dropback quarterback, fullback, the entire package. Recruits perceive that will help them get to the NFL.

    Third, USC is in the second biggest media market in the country and one without a PRO team. Recruits love publicity.

    Fourth, many of the coeds are movie star class lookers.

    Fifth, although many Buckeye fans view Los Angeles as a sh!thole, it is an exciting city full of action

    Sixth, the Southern california is the #1 recruiting area in the country (followed by South Florida)

    And a few show up because it is ranked in the top #25 and several majors much higher.

    Well put, especially # 4!!!!

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  • Vetbuck said... (original post)

    Mattincincy, you answered your own question. There is WAY more talent in SOCAL than in Ohio, just as there is in Texas and FLA. It is simple population dynamics. Top tier high school programs are better than b,c,or d programs (or II,III, or IV programs) simply because they have more athletes to choose from.We do as well as we do because we are the only good D-1 football program in Ohio, and we have no instate recruiting competition.

    last part is a very good point

  • The one other huge factor I did not see mentioned is the interim coaching issue. Kiffen was named the head coach and put his staff in place. So even with the sanctions there was some stability for the incoming recruits. That's not the case here and my guess as to why we are missing out --right now-- on some guys.

    Come Dec. I think our situation is going to much better. Either Luke kills it, and he is able to get some guys back and we end up with a strong class or a brand name coach like Meyer is hired and the same occurs, we get some of these guys back, namely Dodson, Kalis and Pittman.

    In a few months the panorama will be much different. Oregon and Auburn or Florida/Fla. St. will be in the NCAA's crosshairs and recruits will realize that any program can suddenly come under big time scrutiny. So some of the fear of committing to OSU will be attenuated I think.

    OSU will win 9-11 games (many of them will be close since Bollman will play a more conservative brand of Tresselball than Tress himself), keeping some of the luster of the program going. OSU's sanctions will be doled out and they will be lighter than expected which, in conjunction with the naming of a true head coach, will clear the way for some of the elite recruits to commit.

    This might all be one huge blessing in disguise. Long term, OSU cleans house internally with respect to compliance issues, gets a new, more aggressive coach and only grows into a stronger program.

    We only hope right?!!

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  • Because we are not located in Southern California possibly.

  • miguelissimo said... (original post)

    The one other huge factor I did not see mentioned is the interim coaching issue. Kiffen was named the head coach and put his staff in place. So even with the sanctions there was some stability for the incoming recruits. That's not the case here and my guess as to why we are missing out --right now-- on some guys.

    Come Dec. I think our situation is going to much better. Either Luke kills it, and he is able to get some guys back and we end up with a strong class or a brand name coach like Meyer is hired and the same occurs, we get some of these guys back, namely Dodson, Kalis and Pittman.

    In a few months the panorama will be much different. Oregon and Auburn or Florida/Fla. St. will be in the NCAA's crosshairs and recruits will realize that any program can suddenly come under big time scrutiny. So some of the fear of committing to OSU will be attenuated I think.

    OSU will win 9-11 games (many of them will be close since Bollman will play a more conservative brand of Tresselball than Tress himself), keeping some of the luster of the program going. OSU's sanctions will be doled out and they will be lighter than expected which, in conjunction with the naming of a true head coach, will clear the way for some of the elite recruits to commit.

    This might all be one huge blessing in disguise. Long term, OSU cleans house internally with respect to compliance issues, gets a new, more aggressive coach and only grows into a stronger program.

    We only hope right?!!

    I get that........but Ficks is a huge part of recruiting, D for sure, and it is the D guys who are dissing us?

  • One thing that no seems to be bringing up is the grat recruiting class we had last year. I wonder if some ofthese recruits find iintimidating that they have some serious players in front of them this year. ( O-line being the exception with the exception of Bobek) .
    These d-ends might figure they can play right awy but have to balttle MIller / Ferris/ Simon/ Hale etc. for a couple of years. Just a thought . I just am completely baffled by the O-Line recruiting effort. We offer dbs and linebackers all the time. Whats up!!

  • Lane Kiffin is a good recruiter but Ed Orgeron is a HELL of a recruiter!

    He might be up there as good as anyone.

  • tOSU back yard isn't what USC back yard is in terms of quality of recruits.

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  • Since we are in the stage of not knowing what sanctions are or who the head coach is in 2012 of course recruiting has slowed. Actually if OSU has a good year and OSU gets no bowl bands recruiting will get momentum. Recruits will still be reluctant until they know who will be coaching them, common sense 101.
    I doubt if Lane Kiffin has star power since he has accomplished ZILCH. USC has the star power. Earl Bruce could recruit there.

  • Maybe it's because USC has its permanent head coach in place, while we have Fickell serving as coach this season with no guarantee he will be retained. Add to that the sudden shock of the whole mess at Ohio State and the uncertainty of the NCAA sanctions and recruits are playing it safe by avoiding the situation. Ohio State could eliminate part of the problem by negotiating a contract with Meyer (if he wants the job) for next year, but that's not the Ohio State way of doing things. Too conservative. The name Fickell is not going to add the instant credibility to the program that Urban Meyer would.

  • I think one thing that hasn't been brought up is the fact that most of the far west, excluding California, is desolate. California has a ton of talent every year, and USC is the favorite of all of them because of several reasons mentioned earlier. Not to mention, USC doesn't have any big name programs neighboring them. Ohio has less big time prospects than California, and there's a lot of big programs nearby (Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame immediately spring to mind.) Not to mention, we're closer to the media hyped SEC than California is. Lots of competition for Ohio kids nowadays. I just wished more parents around here raised their kids as true Ohio State fans. I'm sick of hearing things like Jordan Hicks grew up a Longhorns fan and Chris Wormley grew up a Michigan fan.

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  • buckeye_mikey69 said... (original post)

    I think one thing that hasn't been brought up is the fact that most of the far west, excluding California, is desolate. California has a ton of talent every year, and USC is the favorite of all of them because of several reasons mentioned earlier. Not to mention, USC doesn't have any big name programs neighboring them. Ohio has less big time prospects than California, and there's a lot of big programs nearby (Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame immediately spring to mind.) Not to mention, we're closer to the media hyped SEC than California is. Lots of competition for Ohio kids nowadays. I just wished more parents around here raised their kids as true Ohio State fans. I'm sick of hearing things like Jordan Hicks grew up a Longhorns fan and Chris Wormley grew up a Michigan fan.

    all good points, but I still do not understand it. Someone said, "these 4 star kids can go anywhere, why do they want to go where there are possible sanctions." Well, USC has sanctions and are looking at possible more, so why are they still getting top 5 classes? USC is the OSU of the west, we should still, no matter what, even in the Cooper days, be getting the best kids from the region, and right now we are not.

  • Location, location, location. If Ohio had tropical beaches with palm trees, scantily clad hollywood babes, and clubbing every night, we'd be top two. Look at bright side: we are top five. Only USC, Texas, Alabama, Florida, and a tie with LSU, are better. Until August 12th mind you.

  • mattincincy said... (original post)

    all good points, but I still do not understand it. Someone said, "these 4 star kids can go anywhere, why do they want to go where there are possible sanctions." Well, USC has sanctions and are looking at possible more, so why are they still getting top 5 classes? USC is the OSU of the west, we should still, no matter what, even in the Cooper days, be getting the best kids from the region, and right now we are not.

    Your still missing the point matt.

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