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I'm not a big fan of recruiting JUCOs to Ohio State. Don't get me wrong--there's an obvious need and place for them, I just tend to think we're a program that can afford to cultivate and grow players out of high school. They've always been a great resource for programs in states without a lot of in-state high school talent, not to mention an opportunity to fill in roster holes with older players. Bill Snyder built K-State's foundation on recruiting JCs. Urban regularly recruited them when he was at Utah. Often times, they're players who didn't qualify academically out of HS or transferred from another school (QBs Jesse Scoggins from USC and A.J. Derby from Iowa, and DE Chris Martin from Florida) or they were overlooked or played out of position in high school.
Attached is ESPN's JC Top 100. Aside from programs that depend heavily on JCs--K-State, Utah, Arizona, and even Charlie Weis at Kansas with 6 out of the Top 100, something he would've never done at Notre Dame--it's interesting to see how many major Top 25-calibre programs have commitments from players on this list: Alabama, Georgia, TAMU, Oregon, Florida, Texas, LSU, Cal, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, WVU, and Nebraska. Virtually every SEC school, most of the Big 12 schools, and half the Pac-12 schools have at least one. For most perennial Top 25 programs, recruiting JCs isn't a mandatory tent of their strategy as much as a band-aid--find a talented guy who fits an immediate albeit short-term need and fill it.
I'm surprised there aren't more B1G commitments on this list--Purdue, Indiana, Minnesota; in fact, aside from Nebraska with the #3 player, there isn't another player on ESPN's list committed to a B1G school. Is the B1G too "elitist" to recruit JCs or are they missing out on something schools in other conferences have caught onto?
ESPN RecruitingNation has named the top 100 junior college players in the country.
I think it has something to do with the academics. JUCO typically means bad grades and/or off the field issues. The Big Ten schools typically have higher education standards for football players, moreso than the SEC.
Don't forget that OSU is after Tommy Sanders. He is on that list.
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Larry Grant comes to mind.
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There seems to be some debate whether Sanders has an offer from OSU. His JC coach claims he does and Rivals says he does but 247, ESPN and Scout all show he doesn't.
Wasn't he supposed to announce last week where it was down to us, TAMU and Mississippi State? If he has one from Urban, why the delay?
I think he's a fallback plan if Johnson and/or Mitchell don't commit.
I'm racking my brain trying to think of our last JC before or since Larry Grant, who was also the last guy to commit in the 2006 class. It's impossible to draw any patterns from a sample of one but that class had four freshmen LBs (Thaddeus Gibson, who ended up at DE, Mark Johnson, Ross Homan and Tyler Moeller, who ended up at Star). The 2005 class's LBs were James Laurinaitis, Austin Spitler and Freddie Lenix, who never qualified, while the 2004 class had Curtis Terry, Marcus Freeman and Brandon Smith.
Freeman turned out to be pretty good and we know how Laurinaitis's career went but no one could have foreseen his greatness coming out of his freshman season as we also saying goodbye to three starters in Hawk, Carpenter and Schegel.
Makes me think Tressel saw a critical need to get an older guy who could step in and play right away and that's why Tressel broke from form and Grant was added late.
This post was edited by iowabuckeyes 16 months ago
He has a commitable offer from OSU. It is down to South Carolina and Ohio State. Texas A&M's offer is not commitable. OSU made a commitable offer when Fickell and Vrabel visited a few days ago. I know one insider here thinks he'll be a Buckeye tomorrow. South Carolina insiders think they have a good shot too.
The other schools on his list are all top schools unlike Mungers list. At least that makes him look worthy.
If he didn't have a commitable offer from TAMU, why are people reporting he's committed to TAMU?
i havnt read through all the replies so i hope i am not repeating anyone BUT...sometimes a kid needs an extra year or two to continue to develop. JUCO allows those type of kids an opportunity that they would otherwise miss out on. A lot can be said for the success that KSU has seen among others who utilize recruiting JUCO's and IMO there is an advantage to fielding a team with guys who are a year or 2 older against teams that recruit mainly H.S. kids. I am surprised that Urban Meyer hasnt concentrated more on the JUCO players then he has although tOSU typically does use that prep school in Va. for a couple kids which is essentially the same concept. I would not be surprised if Tommy Saunders makes an immediate impact to whichever school he ends up at.
Not only that but 247 and Scout are reporting Sanders SIGNED his LOI with TAMU today. Not to shabby for a guy who didn't have a commitable offer.
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Great article about JCs on ESPN:
"Not many college programs target junior college prospects early in the recruiting process. With fewer remaining seasons of eligibility and an unpredictable development track, they are often deemed a higher risk than high school recruits. After watching countless hours of junior college prospects, ESPN RecruitingNation has named the top 100 juco players in the country. But injuries happen in the big programs. Players fail to progress. Some transfer. Others just leave. It places coaches like Nick Saban and Mack Brown in need of help on short notice. Enter the junior colleges."
Iowa Western Community College is on the eastern edge of Omaha, Neb., but has become a recruiting hotbed this season.
34 commits obviously his "plan B" is his plan A ..no safety net at all.
Too logical, too obvious, too simple, therefore unacceptable to this board...
Unless you are low on numbers at a position I don't like the JUCO route. This year I think a linebacker would have made cense. But for the most part your getting a one year player. As we have seen with this staff, it takes time to learn the D and earn there trust.
I totally get what you mean about HS kids playing out of position. I tried to tell my coach I was a five star RB. Instead, he left me on the OL. LOL.
James Cotton swithched positions I believe. He ended up DL, but was recruited as a LB.
If we were to ever utilize the JC route I would think it would be in 2014 for OLmen. We lose three, have only 2 or 3 underclassmen who might be ready to step in and have but one this year unless Price is convinced to switch over. Even if we got 4 or 5 high school studs in 2014 they would still be a year away from being ready to play in the B10 thus a JC or two could step in and fill a gap.
We don't need to recruit "Juco" players when you are Urban Meyer,he has the pick of the litter among 4yr High school players.
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Going back a few years, but Jamie Sumner (OG), Joe Germaine (QB) and Chris Vance (WR) come to mind as JC's that came to Ohio State and were starters.
I really don't like JUCO recruiting in any circumstance. I'm sure there are many guys that are at JUCO's for the right reasons and they may be perfectly nice kids with college academic abilities, but I think it sends a bad message to the other scholarship players, messes with chemistry, and downgrades perception of your school (and program) to many people.
Kansas State gets a lot of bang out of JUCOs! Several members of their 2012 team were JUCOs who improved their play from 2011 until 2012 as team went from 10-3 to 11-2.
A school like Ohio State probably only needs to use JUCOs if a severe hole develops at a position in terms of talent and or depth.
Ohio State should be able to develop enough Freshmen and Sophomores to replace their departing Seniors. BUT, if a position is particularly hard hit then OSU could benefit from JUCO as a stopgap until recruiting at the high school level can remedy it.
I'm all for recruiting/targeting JUCO players. It's what has given the $EC a competitive advantage of sorts alongside oversigning.
We haven't targeted many JUCOs but when we have, we landed the #1 prospect seven years ago with Larry Grant. IMHO he was a part of the last solid LB'er trio/tandem here five years ago. Today he, along with former teammate James Laurinaitis, are the only two former Buckeyes starting at LB'er on NFL rosters (can't recall what Bobby Carpenter's status is or if N'ail Diggs is still playing or not).
But I think you have to approach the JUCO situation just as you would any standard top H.S. prospect: pursue based on need. I say if it's an ATH who could play on both offense and defense, then go after him.
Hawk's not starting for Green Bay?
Welcome Corey Smith, OSU's first JUCO since Larry Grant in 2006!
Must be like the 7-year locusts...
Wasn't Eddie George a JUCO guy? I think he went to Fork Union for a year if I'm not mistaken. I think our third string QB also went to the same school for a year. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Fork Union.....but he went their as a high school sophomore.
This post was edited by Bearbuck 15 months ago
Fort Union isn't a Junior College. It's a Prep School/Military School. It does offer a post-graduate (high school) cirriculum.
This post was edited by klemman 15 months ago
It's Fork Union.
That's also why I specified he transferred their from high school as a sophomore.....therefore you are correct, it's not a junior college but people can be confused that it is.
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