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I don't know how you got your numbers, but you are correct. As of today, with the current roster numbers, and the players graduating, and the 16 recruiting, that adds up to 82 in 2013. Hoke only has 3 more spots, and just like last year, may find himself pulling a scholarship or 2 from a lower star athlete to give to a blue chip player he wants later on in the process. He has 10 months to go before signing day, and his 16 verbals leave him only 3 spots, without attrition, which he has already gotten most of that done with. He may lose a couple with defections as they decided too early. Such as Dymonte Thomas, who may come to the Buckeyes; and there may be a couple others.
But what I will find most interesting is that stars and what ratings these kids will have 10 months from now with the different services. You know the services are finicky, and these players jump up and down all over the board. Billy Price dropped from #10 down to what #200. For what. A good senior year, and maybe he will be back up there, or maybe some others the other way. How does a kid like Taco not even start on his HS team, but is a 4 star with the services? Will he remain there?
I wouldn't think so. The sleepers out there that we are looking out will certainly become 4 stars overnight, once their senior year starts.etc. etc. etc. It is all about exposure.
These Ohio kids that got shunned by Urban, and Hoke played on their hearts, was in his best interest. But they all are not realistically 4 stars. Believe me. Most of these kids are 3 to 3 1/2 stars at best. Some are 4's, but not more than half of them.
I had a long talk with Coach Mark Crabtree from Dublin Coffman when my Godson played there a couple years ago and replaced Stoneburner when he left. He was not big on the star system, any more than I. Stoneburner was a 4 star by most, but not all of the services. Mark told me that Stoney was a 3 star at best. He was no 4 star. It took something really special to be a 4 star, and this was coming from Stoney's biggest fan and supporter, his own HS Coach Mark Crabtree.
All of these Ohio kids would have committed to Tressel, if he were still here, but this is a new day with Urban in town, and we are competing with SEC talent now. Not just Ohio talent. Good for Hoke, bad for the rest of the BlG. We should still get the majority of who we want from Ohio, which is 6/7 of the TOP 10/12 in OHIO. The rest will come from National Blue Chippers. All of our Recruits will be so called 4 or 5 stars unless they are sleepers or non exposed 3 stars.
Urban is not at all worried at the speed of the recruiting we are at or Michigan is at. For the most part, the Blue Chippers almost always wait until the end before they commit, and, if we look at last year; how many early commits flipped late in the process.And earlier poster said slow and steady. When we have a smaller class, and these scholarships are good for 5 years. We want to be sure on all of them. This is not Tressel/Bollman years anymore. EVERY Scholarship count. We are NOT planning on wasting a single one. If you were to look at the number of players that have left Michigan's program in the last four years, it makes our program look like a NFL program with NO Free Agency available.
Probably because Urban is smarter than you and the Hokster put together. Not saying much but
Don't know if it helps but it gave me one big - lol
All I got to say is it's March no reason to panick we have all year to pick who we want. Just for the worry warts on these boards, Urban Meyer was never out of the top 5 or top10 in recruiting in every year at Florida. The year they went 5-7 and quit they still ended up with a great class. Be patient and let him select the kids he wants to select. We may offer a 3 star OLB that is 215 but runs a 4.5 instead of a guy that is from ohio is a 4 star old but runs a 5.2. We are looking for lean speed which on defense and offensive skilled positions will really challenge the big ten players.
scUM Troll alert...go back to the Blue Board
If you could score 24 touchdowns each football game and the TD's at the end of the game were worth 10 points and those at the begining only 6 which would you prefer? The lead in the first quarter or at the end of the game.
I think Urban has done a FINE job with the 2012 class, but lets not forget most of them were from the midewest. But a case in point is Rich rodriguez, tried to get the "SEC" speed but found it was to hard to lure them up north. Also, Which recruit say McCray wants to go to a school where he is a "Fall Back". He wants to go where he is WANTED.
I guess the answer to my question on the LB thread is you've decided to bash RichRod and "SEC speed" on at least three different threads. You're a real one trick pony, aren't you? You really need to get out more, meet some new people, expand your horizons, learn a few new tricks.
And we don't know that McCray wasn't wanted by Urban. What we do know is he wasn't willing to wait to find out. He panicked, jumped on the first bus that came along.
Hhe'll be the next great Ohio HS LB to fail at scUM, joining the disreputable likes of Preston Burgess and Shawn Crable in the oh-fer-4 club.
Rich Rod wouldn't know what to do in a two bit -house with a pocket full of quarters. Not unlike most scum fans.
The 2012 class was an anomaly. First, there were players who desperately wanted OSU but signed elsewhere because of the scandal, the impending NCAA sanctions, and the uncertainty surrounding the coaching position. Once the sanctions turned out to be a slap on the wrist and OSU hired Meyer they were easy flips. Second, Meyer picked low hanging fruit at Penn State, a one time opportunity. You can't predict future recruiting success or failure based on 2012.
I spent four years at U Georgia and am quite familiar with SEC recruiting. They feast on local players for the most part, from their home state, a few from neighboring states, with a sprinkling of players from outside the deep South. Those players like to stay close to home. Easier entrance requirements, easier academics, better weather, prettier coeds, and they are close to home so their families can watch them play. Where the SEC rules in speed is their big, fast defensive linemen. Not many of those choose to leave the South for the frozen North.
Meyer's taking a calculated risk, slow play the instate kids until he works the out of state supers, then come back in state to fill in the holes. So far some quality in state kids have jumped ship, some will wait. One thing is certain, in 4-5 years we will know how effective Meyer's strategy is. The other wrinkle is that he now wants a different kind of player for his spread offense than OSU traditionally takes, leaving some good players out in the cold. There is still a perception that the spread doesn't prepare a player for the NFL as well as more traditional offenses, a perception strengthened by the fact that Meyer has never had a 1000 yard running back.
It will be a VERY interesting next few years!
THE BRADY MUNCH
by: CO Dank
"I'm pulling your offer." Hoke says. Rucruit says "But why, are'nt I good enough, you offered me before my senior season?" Hoke says "Yea but your the #197th ranked recruit, this other guy is the 50th ranked recruit and we would like to have him better. Plus with my try it diet not going as planned, we won't have the money for your scholarship due to the fact that I like food and it cost way too much for the University to feed me." "I hope you understand." THE END
Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren
I just don't like this recruiting class. It's full of a bunch of kids that don't seem overly thrilled about ohio state. hopefulyl the '14 class has more kids that like ohio state.
i just love that how hoke is recruiting was how tressel did, and people bitched on here that tressel couldnt close. now urban comes in with a different mind set where he closes at the end and people are bitching about that method saying what is hoke doing different to "out-recruit" urban? they're two different coaches with two different strategies. hoke is a good coach (as i puke on myself typing that) he's going to get good players. did anyone really think michigan would be bad for the rest of time?
"Great insight. I agree. And i also agree it was classy not to pull scholarships of those kids who probably never see the field. I fully support Urban and what his staff are doing. Proud to be a Buckeye."
I agree it was classy, but, was it the right thing to do? If he knows that 7-8 guys will never see the field and all these guys have gotten numerous Div 1 scholarship offers, why wouldnt he just let them know the situation? Tell them that they will prob never start or even play and that way they can go to another school. If Urb takes them and knows that they dont fit, wouldnt it seem like a waste of time for some of these kids. They might not be able to crack the new Urban lineup, but, they could be superstars at a Toledo or OU.
Actually Hoke is using Meyer's recruiting against him, he's telling Ohio kids that they don't and won't have a scholarship offer from OSU because Meyer doesn't think their good enough. Now his school UM is filling up fast with a pro style offense better sign up now. Hate to admit it but its good recruiting strat by Hoke. I can only trust that Meyer knows what he's doing ignoring the Ohio talent.
ignoring ohio talent, yet 80% of the class so far is from ohio....
Prescott is in the NFL. Yea you could say he had a TERRIBLE career.
Where is this settling michigan is doing? Kugler #1 OG in the country. Shane Morris #2 PQB in the country. 5 ESPN watchlist OL (including Kugler). Were set up well for Treadwell. See him posting #GO BLUE all day on twitter and his avi is a michigan headband and Were set-up well for Ty Isaac.
Yap, yap, yap...my, so much noise out of such a little dog! Get lost, Toto!
Look at my "avi." That'll tell you how much I care about anything you have to say.
LAST YEARS signing period just ended a month ago. Calm the heck down!
How does the story go? standing on a hill above a pasture, son bull said to dad bull, "Hey dad lets run down there and f*** one of them cows!". "Dad bull says no why not walk down and f*** them all.".
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I came up with 82 differently. I looked at scUM's current roster. Then I cross-referenced it against each of their recruiting classes from 2007-2012 and checked off the guys they gave scholarships to, which left their walk-ons (although I assume Jordan Kovacs is on scholarship). So unless other non-senior walk-ons have been given scholarships, the total added up to 82 out of a maximum of 85, including 17 seniors. So that's 20 (17 seniors + 3 open slots). I'm guessing OT Taylor Lewan, who will be a RS JR and was second team B1G and is projected as a 1st round draft choice, goes NFL. That makes 21. (Fitzgerald Toussaint may go hardship, too, with a good year ala Antonio Pittman who knew that with Beanie hot behind him, he wasn't likely to have the same kind of year sharing the ball.) If only 4 more kids transfer, quit, get kicked off or flunk out, Hoke can easily get this class to 25.
Meanwhile, we have 81, which is 1 under our max, plus 15 seniors, which makes 16 our current ceiling for scholarships in 2013. We'd need 9 kids to go hardship (Hankins, Roby), transfer, quit, get kicked off or flunk out to get the 2013 class up to 25. I can see 3-5 but not 9 although it's not impossible. As upperclassmen get buried in the depth chart behind underclassmen or don't bring the kind of competitiveness Urban demands, it's entirely plausible we could see that kind of roster attrition.
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