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What is our chances at the four duck commits? And can we fit them? With Chip Kelly gone, and upcoming sanctions. No way these top prospects stay in my opinion.
i think you are correct about the sanctions & Oregon losing recruits. As far as landing them at tOSU...it looks like we have a legitimate shot at Wilson. I think he has the potential to be the play maker that Meyer has been looking for adding with Marshall / Elliot / Baugh - thats a lot of talent. and all 4 could even be on the field at the same time along with a QB in Miller or Barrett ?? WOW... opposing Defenses would be fricken clueless - no way they could be in anything other then Zone coverage because - who do they pick to double?? Someone will find the open field & then its just a matter of getting them the ball. I cant wait to finally see tOSU running a mind boggling offense again - like how 06' was with Troy Smith & company.
I dont know how tOSU sits with the Robinson twins or if there would even be space for them. I have seen info that says there is room for 25 or 26 commits but that doesnt seem legit to me - keeping the restrictions in mind along with the B1G's policy of 25 as a max per class. But i only am watching this thing from afar - the staff is well aware of what they can or can not do.
I will say without any hesitation that they have put together another stellar class & I am looking forward to seeing the fruits of it all come together
This post was edited by trigg03 15 months ago
I thought I remembered this too, but Michigan already has 26 and is working for Green. I think there is an exception to the rule but I can't remember what it is.
I think if we take Wilson and the Robinson Twins we might be done and that includes an OT and Bell. I know one of the Robinsons can play/recruited as a Safety.
It sounded like our last three spots were supposed to be WR, OT, and Bell/wild card.
good point about scUM - totally missed that. \
I hate to consider not getting bell but losing him to Bama & gaining two 4* - 94 ranked kids in return - wouldnt be so bad...they both have the tools to become big time players.
I would love to know the real scoop as to why tOSU backed off Green...he is a top rated RB in a class that is featuring outstanding RBs which leads me to believe it had to be something serious in nature to shy away from him. I have read a lot of the speculation & rumor but i would really like to know the facts.
Just shows you how unaccustomed we are here in BuckeyeNation to a truly great offense when we refer to the '06 bunch as a "mind boggling" one.
They were a very efficient offense and definitely one of the best ever in Buckeye history but outside of '06, '10, '95, '96, '98 and the offensive attack of a few of those '70s teams, we don't have a long and storied history of putting out solid offenses.
Great offenses are those that can score at will. The type that won't wilt or fold even against a great defense. Think the Oregon teams of '10 and this past season. Think of the 2001 Canes, the '83 and '95 Nebraska teams or even the Alabama team from 2012 to a slightly lesser extent.
Meyer's DEFINITELY building the type of talent depth you'd need to have one.
All excellent points. In fact - i was even hesitant to mention the 06' offense & only did because of their ability to score so easily & often. Pre-Tress years...I cant tell you how many times I felt so hopeless once they gave up the lead late in the 2nd half...i just knew it would have to take a miracle for us to come back due to the lagging offense or in Coopers case the constant choking that would happen (other then that rose bowl vs Az St) but it would be the same story - series after series of 3 & outs or a late 4th qt interception (in the big games) - all of that still haunts me - i find myself asking if they have another drive or score left in them. And it is strange because tOSU has always had top tier talent - I mean even Schlichter was the #1 rated QB...we have had top rated RBs - WRs...it was just the offense was not set up for excitement. It was always a grind it out style. Cooper opened things up but in a conservative way LOL & obviously we all know how Tress would call his games. So - to now have a coach who's philosophy is to put as many points on the board as possible - is awesome. And when he has the caliber of talent in place to accomplish that - it is going to be FUN
IMO getting Helfrich in place is important for all of them. I feel based on what we've heard over the last day or two that we have a good chance of keeping all 4 come signing day. Depending on what is reported after Wednesday (Oregon coaches will be down in the DFW Metro) should be a good indication of Wilson's position. His dad has said Dontre doesn't really want to trip anywhere, but a "backup plan" is always needed. The continuity of having Helf and Campbell (RB coach) is very important in this case. I don't see the Robinson twins swaying even though they've "opened it up", and Carrington its been a bit tough to know exactly what he wants. Not sure how much Chip Kelly was in the "Oregon has been my dream school since grade 9". All this info is no longer VIP at this point.
Would not be shocked should Wilson actually visit tOSU, but its my understanding that nothing is official at this point.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by OCanada 15 months ago
"White man you just starting to get the blues" - Rags and Bones, Nomeansno
no offense but is the person who said that in the 11th grade?? because oregon has basically sucked until 2010 & then of course you should take into consideration that they lost every BCS bowl game until they played a lame ass wisconsin...so...not sure what there is there to make a person make that statement - but - to each their own i suppose
Oregon sucked until 2010?
Wisconsin 2011 team was, "lame-ass"?
Oregon "lost every BCS bowl game until last year"?
Short on facts, long on fanboytardedness.
"The Ducks ended the 2001 regular season ranked No. 2 in both the AP and Coaches polls, but the BCS computer formula ranked Oregon No. 4, behind No. 2 Nebraska – which had been thrashed by Colorado in its final regular season game – and No. 3 Colorado; this kept Oregon out of the national championship game. The discrepancy caused the BCS committee to alter the ranking system for subsequent years to a formula which, if applied in 2001, would have placed Oregon in the national championship game. The 2001 Ducks instead played at the Fiesta Bowl against Colorado. Oregon's run defense stifled Colorado's running game, holding them to just 49 yards on 31 carries. Harrington passed for 350 yards and led the Ducks to a 38–16 win."
At the conclusion of the 2001 season Oregon played Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl (a BCS bowl) and won 38-16 I think.
Mike Bellotti took Oregon to 12 bowl games.....Just thought you should know because I'd hardly at all say Oregon has sucked until 2010.
ohhh...i stand corrected
2002 = 7-6
2003 = 8-5
2004 = 5-6
2005 = 10 -2
2006 = 7-6
2007 = 9-4
2008 = 10 - 3
2009 = 10-3 (lost rose bowl to tOSU)
2010 = 12-1 (lost to Auburn in NCG)
yea - im not going to bother adding up the totals - but - obviously i have no clue huh
MY edit = this : taking a team to a bowl game is great huh ?? all you have to do is finish 6-6 in order to go to a bowl
The recruits that "enrolled early". Count on the previous class as far as the 25 per year matters. So by that rule we could take 31. I think there were 6 early enrollees.
Technically, that's how it's supposed to work but that's a topline application. The bottom line is no more than 82 on scholarship at any given time during the current academic year. That means seniors still on scholarship but who are out of eligibility as well as early enrollees.
This was your statement:
"because oregon has basically sucked until 2010 & then of course you should take into consideration that they lost every BCS bowl game until they played a lame ass wisconsin."
2000 they went 10-2 and won their bowl game.
2001 they went 11-1 and won the Fiesta....well the Fiesta bowl is a BCS bowl...so they didn't lose every BCS bowl game until they played Wisconsin.
So why did you leave those 2 seasons off of your argument? Just curious.......because all I'm pointing out is that what you said isn't necessarily true.
Since Bellotti face-lifted the program in 1995, Oregon has had 8 seasons with 10+ wins, they have an 8-8 bowl record with a 3-2 BCS bowl record and .......you don't want to add up those numbers so I'll do that for you....between Bellotti and Kelly Oregon has a 162-62 win loss record!
I understand and respect your opinion but the numbers don't necessarily support it. If you don't like Oregon I have no problem with that.....
But I think you'd be hard pressed to convince most people that they have sucked until 2010.
i have to laugh at your need for me to be precise in my statements...so i was a few years off big flippin deal - the point is still true...Oregon was an average team at best and then all of a sudden became a national power so i find it hard to believe that a kid would call Oregon his dream school. He must not have very high aspirations in life
I have to laugh for several reasons...
You weren't just off....you were way off!
Your point is only true to you....and your main point is that you just don't like Oregon and you know what? That's ok....you don't have to like Oregon.
But don't let your disdain get in the way of some obvious facts. Oregon has made huge strides over the past 15 years in building their program.
I think the funniest thing about this.......is you judging what a kid's aspirations are simply because he may not chose your program.
The kid lives in Texas.....He recently visited Texas......and really likes the University of Oregon. He liked them enough to give them a verbal commitment and it appears that he'll keep that commitment.
But according to you he doesn't have high aspirations in life......now that's funny!
i could care less about Oregon - I was not way off either if you would bother to check their records - I was a year or 2 off - why?? because i dont give a flip about oregon!!
you dont come across as a very reasonable / rational type...you seem to stretch out pretty far to try to make your point. I dont care about any kid that Oregon recruited - if any or none want to come to tOSU - it is not going to make or break my day. I was simply saying that Oregon has not been historically a powerhouse until recent - you then tried to say I dont know what i am talking about so then i took a few minutes & researched & backed up my claim which you seem to be ignoring. It would be exactly like a kid in Ohio who would make a statement that UC is their dream school. Based on all of 3 or 4 years of success. Good day.
This is the last time I'm going to reply to your posts......
In response to your last post.....this is what started this stupid nonsense.
Does what you typed up there sound intelligent?
You are completely ignoring your own words......
1. you said Oregon has sucked until 2010 and
2. they lost every BCS bowl game until they beat Wisconsin.
So I pointed out this:
"Since Bellotti face-lifted the program in 1995, Oregon has had 8 seasons with 10+ wins, they have an 8-8 bowl record with a 3-2 BCS bowl record and .......you don't want to add up those numbers so I'll do that for you....between Bellotti and Kelly Oregon has a 162-62 win loss record!
I understand and respect your opinion but the numbers don't necessarily support it. If you don't like Oregon I have no problem with that.....
But I think you'd be hard pressed to convince most people that they have sucked until 2010."
This wasn't meant to be a long drawn out argument......but it's even more amusing that you ignore facts altogether and then make up some shit as you go along....
Where in the world did I ever say that Oregon was a powerhouse? I didn't......Like I said ..... if you don't care about Oregon that's fine with me.
All I was pointing out is that Oregon has had some success with their program before Kelly arrived on the scene. That was the only thing I was trying to point out to you.....
While Oregon hasn't been a powerhouse which I never ever claimed they are or were ......any reasonable and logical fan of college football would completely disagree with you that they've sucked until 2010!
That's just stupid and not logical.
Hope you have a great day as well.
This post was edited by Bearbuck 14 months ago
It helps to build a program when you have Phil Knight on your side giving you a new Tron uni for every game...:)
Oregon is one of two poster children for how an irrelevant program can go from zero to hero in this day and age. Sure, Phil Knight underwrote their success but not any less than T. Boone Pickens did for Oklahoma State.
Just as money is the root of all evil, so too is it a necessary evil to be successful in college sports. It solves a lot of problems.
So how does a school without a long-seeded tradition of winning that's created a money-making machine like OSU, Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame and USC or that doesn't have a multi-billionaire like Pickens or Knight willing to donate tens of millions to its athletic program make it work? The state of Iowa doesn't have a single resident worth that kind of money, much less one willing to donate a lot of it to Iowa's or Iowa State's athletic departments. And that's true for 95% of all the BCS programs and until the Iowas, Minnesotas, Purdues, Colorados, and Arizonas find a way to raise a lot of money (or some other key to success, i.e., see Bill Snyder's proclivity for recruiting JC players), they'll always be role players in the melodrama known as college football.
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