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OL recruiting?

  • Were getting speed players!
    I have to say ever since Meyer got here emphasis on OL recruiting has been average and Michigan has dominated us!
    The OL is the place guys have to be versitale and takes longer to develop than any other spots on the field. There should be 3-4 Versitale OL in every class. I don't see us getting another in this class?
    I know we transformed a TE to OL but just a patch IMHO.

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    FredFlintsone

  • The man has accomplished more than anyone could have hoped in a very short time. In particular the offensive line was in desperate condition, and is greatly improved. Why not give him at least one full recruiting year before jumping to conclusions?

    LeeCaryer

  • Yeah I think with the 2014 class you will really see the fruits from our labors in regards to the offensive line

    jackrizzle24

  • I could be wrong but perhaps much is being missed in this critique of our OL recruiting. If one is to look strictly at the rankings of services perhaps it does look like we are lagging a bit behind. However, I prefer to feel that this Staff is doing a better job of selecting OLmen that best fit their system. I don't think anyone can argue with our finish in this area in 2012 upon Urban's arrival. (Dodds, Conner and Decker) And I think when the sun sets on the 2013 Class you will again see us with three OLmen that fit our system best and are of good quality. I realize that it is hard not to get caught up somewhat in national rankings of the services but it would be a mistake to allow that to be the sole criteria for assessment. Before I get down voted I am not here to say that we have not lost a couple of recruits that would have been excellent for our system but in these instances there were circumstances that prevailed (parents who were alum of the school chosen, school chosen was a childhood favorite, etc.)

    dbuckeye44

  • Per Rivals, we have offered 104 kids but only 12 are OLs and six of them have already committed. That's 12 offers to cover five positions. Conversely, we've offered 4 TEs, 8 QBs, 14 RBs, 15 WRs, 11 LBs, 7 DTs (another position that's hard to project), 10 DEs, 16 DBs, and 7 Athletes.

    Overall, Rivals shows 239 OLs with offers. That's not just from OSU but every college in their database. 47 have made commitments (20%). And again, that's to cover 5 OL positions. Meanwhile, 101 QBs have offers and 18 have made commitments (18%); of 142 RBs with offers, 29 have committed (20%); of 173 WRs with offers, 31 have committed (18%). There are still a lot of kids out there waiting to be discovered.

    I don't believe Urban's ignoring the OL as much as OL is the hardest position to project. A skill player who's 6/190 like Jalin Marshall has tons of opportunities to showcase his speed and athleticism even as a soph and junior via 7-on-7 competitions, summer camps, playing other sports (basketball, track) but the big guys, that's another story. Most of them don't have the stamina, speed, mobility or skills to play basketball. Even kickers get to play soccer. 95% of the big boys' other sport options are wrestling heavyweight and/or throwing the shot and discus.

    And then there's their physical maturation--take a kid who was 250 in December and he could weight 275 (10% increase) by fall. It's possible but highly unlikely Jalin Marshall or Eli Woodard's weights are going to increase by 10% by fall. We have a kid at our local HS who was 6-8/245 OT as a junior; rumor has it he's already up to 260 and hopes to weigh 285 by fall. There are a lot of kids who will fall into that category. If all we want are big fat kids, there are plenty out there; if we want kids who are big and athletic, that's going to take some digging.

    Outside of the invitation-only combines that take place around the senior bowl games, the OLs and DTs don't have the benefit of other showcase events like 7-on-7's. The big, athletic kids are a lot harder to find. They don't grow on trees. And they may not play in an offense in HS like Urban will run at OSU, or have access to quality coaching. When you watch film, the camera's usually following the ball, not the blockers. And what about the quality of competition? It should be easy for a 6-6/300 kid to dominate HS competitors he outweighs by 50-60 pounds but that doesn't mean he'll hold his own against guys his own size. The summer camps are critically important to evaluating OLs. Chris Fox was at scUM's last year...guess who he signed with?

    iowabuckeyes

  • Yeah scUM's killing it at OL.

    But we are killing it everwhere else.

    And the new staff averted disaster, flipping 2 big time OTs and 1 Big-time guard in 2012. Boren would have been the only OL in the class were it not for the new staff.

    I understand the anxiety but after an honest assessment our program is still in better shape and hands than scUM.

    And we will get two more quality OTs in this class.

    "Buckeye born and bred, a Buckeye 'til I'm dead"

    miguelissimo

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Per Rivals, we have offered 104 kids but only 12 are OLs and six of them have already committed. That's 12 offers to cover five positions. Conversely, we've offered 4 TEs, 8 QBs, 14 RBs, 15 WRs, 11 LBs, 7 DTs (another position that's hard to project), 10 DEs, 16 DBs, and 7 Athletes.

    Overall, Rivals shows 239 OLs with offers. That's not just from OSU but every college in their database. 47 have made commitments (20%). And again, that's to cover 5 OL positions. Meanwhile, 101 QBs have offers and 18 have made commitments (18%); of 142 RBs with offers, 29 have committed (20%); of 173 WRs with offers, 31 have committed (18%). There are still a lot of kids out there waiting to be discovered.

    I don't believe Urban's ignoring the OL as much as OL is the hardest position to project. A skill player who's 6/190 like Jalin Marshall has tons of opportunities to showcase his speed and athleticism even as a soph and junior via 7-on-7 competitions, summer camps, playing other sports (basketball, track) but the big guys, that's another story. Most of them don't have the stamina, speed, mobility or skills to play basketball. Even kickers get to play soccer. 95% of the big boys' other sport options are wrestling heavyweight and/or throwing the shot and discus.

    And then there's their physical maturation--take a kid who was 250 in December and he could weight 275 (10% increase) by fall. It's possible but highly unlikely Jalin Marshall or Eli Woodard's weights are going to increase by 10% by fall. We have a kid at our local HS who was 6-8/245 OT as a junior; rumor has it he's already up to 260 and hopes to weigh 285 by fall. There are a lot of kids who will fall into that category. If all we want are big fat kids, there are plenty out there; if we want kids who are big and athletic, that's going to take some digging.

    Outside of the invitation-only combines that take place around the senior bowl games, the OLs and DTs don't have the benefit of other showcase events like 7-on-7's. The big, athletic kids are a lot harder to find. They don't grow on trees. And they may not play in an offense in HS like Urban will run at OSU, or have access to quality coaching. When you watch film, the camera's usually following the ball, not the blockers. And what about the quality of competition? It should be easy for a 6-6/300 kid to dominate HS competitors he outweighs by 50-60 pounds but that doesn't mean he'll hold his own against guys his own size. The summer camps are critically important to evaluating OLs. Chris Fox was at scUM's last year...guess who he signed with?

    Agree with the above. No doubt, offensive line, particularly at tackle. is an area of concern for us right now. It was an area of concern before the Meyer era began and, although we made some progress in this area last year, it may take two or more seasons to fully address our needs. Don't lose the faith after only four months under the Meyer regime. Rome was not built in just one day! Let's see how we do on NLID this year and next.

    flash5

  • Land Pocic and Lazard and I'm happy. Lisle, Pocic, Lazard, Decker, Dodson for two tackle spots the next four or five years. Oconner, Lisle, Underwood maybe even Lazard at Guard. Bobek or Boren at Center.
    You can only play five no matter how many you recruit. NFL teams carry 8 total. I didn't even mention the Tommy Browns of the world, he is only a red shirt frosh.

    markv

  • I don't know how we fit in more than one more OL, as by my count we have at most 10 more schollies. If we fill those 10 with the following:

    Defense (5):
    NT- 1 (Hill to replace Hank)
    DE - 1 (Bowers or other)
    LB - 1 (Really want Smith ... difference maker)
    S - 1 (Really want Bell)
    CB - 1 (Really want Alexander)

    Offense (5):
    QB - 1 (Barrett or Bailey)
    TE/HB - 1 (Guess Heuermann or McNeil)
    WR - 2 (Really want Foster and Quick)
    OT - 1 (??? ... Really need two since they are so hard to project)

    Top game changers are Smith, Bell, Alexander, Foster and Quick.

    Do we really need another HB ... how about Rod Smith there or I've heard Duanne say Perry?
    Who now thinks that those 3 lost schollies aren't biting us in the ass.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WashingtonBuck on 4/11/2012 at 4:00 PM

    WashingtonBuck

  • markv said...

    Land Pocic and Lazard and I'm happy. Lisle, Pocic, Lazard, Decker, Dodson for two tackle spots the next four or five years. Oconner, Lisle, Underwood maybe even Lazard at Guard. Bobek or Boren at Center. You can only play five no matter how many you recruit. NFL teams carry 8 total. I didn't even mention the Tommy Browns of the world, he is only a red shirt frosh.

    Your Very Wrong! you had better be 2 deep at every OL position,i have seen as many as 3 go down in one game, Depth on the OL and DL is the backbone to success.
    Being selective is good but you have to have a couple border line kids for spot depth or kids who are young and hungry for depth,we have neither!

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    FredFlintsone

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Per Rivals, we have offered 104 kids but only 12 are OLs and six of them have already committed. That's 12 offers to cover five positions. Conversely, we've offered 4 TEs, 8 QBs, 14 RBs, 15 WRs, 11 LBs, 7 DTs (another position that's hard to project), 10 DEs, 16 DBs, and 7 Athletes.

    Overall, Rivals shows 239 OLs with offers. That's not just from OSU but every college in their database. 47 have made commitments (20%). And again, that's to cover 5 OL positions. Meanwhile, 101 QBs have offers and 18 have made commitments (18%); of 142 RBs with offers, 29 have committed (20%); of 173 WRs with offers, 31 have committed (18%). There are still a lot of kids out there waiting to be discovered.

    I don't believe Urban's ignoring the OL as much as OL is the hardest position to project. A skill player who's 6/190 like Jalin Marshall has tons of opportunities to showcase his speed and athleticism even as a soph and junior via 7-on-7 competitions, summer camps, playing other sports (basketball, track) but the big guys, that's another story. Most of them don't have the stamina, speed, mobility or skills to play basketball. Even kickers get to play soccer. 95% of the big boys' other sport options are wrestling heavyweight and/or throwing the shot and discus.

    And then there's their physical maturation--take a kid who was 250 in December and he could weight 275 (10% increase) by fall. It's possible but highly unlikely Jalin Marshall or Eli Woodard's weights are going to increase by 10% by fall. We have a kid at our local HS who was 6-8/245 OT as a junior; rumor has it he's already up to 260 and hopes to weigh 285 by fall. There are a lot of kids who will fall into that category. If all we want are big fat kids, there are plenty out there; if we want kids who are big and athletic, that's going to take some digging.

    Outside of the invitation-only combines that take place around the senior bowl games, the OLs and DTs don't have the benefit of other showcase events like 7-on-7's. The big, athletic kids are a lot harder to find. They don't grow on trees. And they may not play in an offense in HS like Urban will run at OSU, or have access to quality coaching. When you watch film, the camera's usually following the ball, not the blockers. And what about the quality of competition? It should be easy for a 6-6/300 kid to dominate HS competitors he outweighs by 50-60 pounds but that doesn't mean he'll hold his own against guys his own size. The summer camps are critically important to evaluating OLs. Chris Fox was at scUM's last year...guess who he signed with?

    Good LORD! I can't believe you took the time to write all that and said nothing!
    Even worse i can't believe i took time to read it, haha!
    OMG Iowabuckeyes your the smartest guy on this board , NOT!

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    FredFlintsone

  • WashingtonBuck said...

    I don't know how we fit in more than one more OL, as by my count we have at most 10 more schollies. If we fill those 10 with the following:

    Defense (5): NT- 1 (Hill to replace Hank) DE - 1 (Bowers or other) LB - 1 (Really want Smith ... difference maker) S - 1 (Really want Bell) CB - 1 (Really want Alexander)

    Offense (5): QB - 1 (Barrett or Bailey) TE/HB - 1 (Guess Heuermann or McNeil) WR - 2 (Really want Foster and Quick) OT - 1 (??? ... Really need two since they are so hard to project)

    Top game changers are Smith, Bell, Alexander, Foster and Quick.

    Do we really need another HB ... how about Rod Smith there or I've heard Duanne say Perry? Who now thinks that those 3 lost schollies aren't biting us in the ass.

    I gave you a +1 even tho I disagree with you on a few things. But the +1 is for sharing info and breaking down your thoughts or opinions.

    I'll go through by position on my thoughts like you did.
    QB- Take 1. Baylor seems to be our toughest competition for him.
    HB- 2 Elliot is already in this class, but I believe as a playmaker type. I dont think we need another HB, I still think Green gets in this class. I believe Green has been playing the recruiting game, all due to helping his teammates get exposure, I think he has given OSU the silent verbal for quite along time.
    WR- 3-4 Its hard to believe we take another big group of receivers this year, but Marshall will most likely be a WR. Gibson will most likely announce for OSU soon. Foster is a guy OSU is giving all they have to get, & wont turn him down if he wants in this class, which also seems to be a battle w/Pitt. Aaron Bailey is a dual threat QB, but listed as an Athlete. I believe if Bailey wants in, OSU will bring him in as a Receiver.
    TE- 2 W/ the suprising commitment of Marcus Baugh, it will now force out Josh McNeil, most likely. Mike Heuerman has pretty much been given the green line to commit. McNeil is on the outside looking in.
    OL- 3 W/ Lisle being the only commit as of now, it seems likely that Lazard & Pocic will be joining him to make 3 tackles in this class. Lazard about committed on the spot during his visit & will most likely be bound for Columbus. Pocic seems to have us as his leader & will continue to make more OSU visits. Only a matter of time before both are Buckeyes.
    DE- 1 W/ our loaded 2011 & 2012 DE classes & having reduced scholarships for 2013, I can only see us taking a TOP ELITE DE such as Bower, Bosa or Walker. I dont see us trying to FIT in a guy like Lewis, Sherrit, Sprinkle or anyone else. Even though they are great players, we are already loaded & w/ limited scholarships & holes at other positions, I just believe its gona be hard to take someone that is not ELITE. I wouldnt be suprised to see a 2012 DE get redshirted, even though Meyer said he will not use the redshirt. This will help by not needing to get a DE in the 2013 that can be considered a reach, & it can seperate some elite DE's on the roster by a year.
    DT- 2 Price is in the bag, & i can only see us taking 1 more here. I can see us taking a guy like Munger or Hill. Someone that can be ELITE and play the NT after Hankins leaves. This isnt a big need, so I dont see us reaching here
    LB 2-3 Love seems to be all Buckeye. Also Tim Kimbrough is working on his academics then an offer will come out. If the offer comes, Kimbrough will be all Buckeye. Smith seems to be lovin ND, but is another guy that Meyer wouldnt turn down. I dont think Anzalone is all this great LB. Dont get me wrong he is a better HB/TE on offense than a LB. I wish we would pass on him. Bank the schollie if Smith or Kimbrough isnt a Buckeye.
    DB- 4 Got 2 CBs already a 1 S. I believe Burrows will be a Safety by the time he's on campus. So we need to go after another CB. I would love to have Alexander, but Jalen Ramsey from Tenn is also a good CB.

    I got this class going from around 18 or 19 to about 21 or 22. All depends on which targets go tOSU way or an opponents way.
    I legit think this class ends up at 18 or 19.

    Bucknut8

  • FredFlintsone said...

    Were getting speed players!
    I have to say ever since Meyer got here emphasis on OL recruiting has been average and Michigan has dominated us!
    The OL is the place guys have to be versitale and takes longer to develop than any other spots on the field. There should be 3-4 Versitale OL in every class. I don't see us getting another in this class?
    I know we transformed a TE to OL but just a patch IMHO.

    WTF are you talking about? UFM has been here for the end of one recruiting cycle. We pulled in five o-lineman, three of them were tackles in HS. And your other profound thought was that we are not going to pull in any others in this class? Go away!

    markv

  • FredFlintsone said...

    Good LORD! I can't believe you took the time to write all that and said nothing!
    Even worse i can't believe i took time to read it, haha!
    OMG Iowabuckeyes your the smartest guy on this board , NOT!

    Hell, I honestly didn't know you could read. At least not without pictures to help you.

    What's with the hate? I posted intelligent thought supported by good data and you attacked me personally? You're the ignorant jackass freaking out that we only have one OL commit and fearing we won't get any more. What an absolutely stupid thing to suggest. I agree I'm not the smartest guy on this board but I am convinced you are the dumbest. This thread has been bookmarked and every time we get an OL commitment, I am going to revive it to rub it in your fat face. Go back to your cave, Neanderthal.

    iowabuckeyes

  • FredFlintsone said...

    Your Very Wrong! you had better be 2 deep at every OL position,i have seen as many as 3 go down in one game, Depth on the OL and DL is the backbone to success.
    Being selective is good but you have to have a couple border line kids for spot depth or kids who are young and hungry for depth,we have neither!

    Wow. Not just wrong but "very wrong"? I didn't know there were degrees to being wrong. Is that like being "a little pregnant"?

    I think we're all well aware of the need for OL depth but thanks for reminding us of the obvious. It's in moments like this that I'm glad I'm not a VIP--I'd hate to think I'm paying good money for riveting insights like you've contributed and not just on this thread but others. You may have personally set human intellectual evolution back a million years. If brains were currency, you don't have enough to break a dollar bill. You are a knuckle-dragging moron.

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Wow. Not just wrong but "very wrong"? I didn't know there were degrees to being wrong. Is that like being "a little pregnant"?

    I think we're all well aware of the need for OL depth but thanks for reminding us of the obvious. It's in moments like this that I'm glad I'm not a VIP--I'd hate to think I'm paying good money for riveting insights like you've contributed and not just on this thread but others. You may have personally set human intellectual evolution back a million years. If brains were currency, you don't have enough to break a dollar bill. You are a knuckle-dragging moron.

    Well! Once again your intellect is so superior to everyone else, that there were no brains left for us commoners!
    As i read your narrow minded free of any common sense post, do i realize how stupid you are! If you have a degree it is possible that all the common sense was completely educated out of your dumb ass!
    Lol

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  • Don't forget the two big and athletic O-line "recruits" that have been added:
    Reid Fragel 6'8" 300
    Darryl Baldwin 6'4" 290

    both former TE with agility and speed.

    jackrulz88

  • FredFlintsone said...

    Well! Once again your intellect is so superior to everyone else, that there were no brains left for us commoners! As i read your narrow minded free of any common sense post, do i realize how stupid you are! If you have a degree it is possible that all the common sense was completely educated out of your dumb ass! Lol

    Judging by the amount of downvotes for this thread, the "common" sense says you're wrong in your analysis of our O-line recruiting.

    drmiller166

  • jackrulz88 said...

    Don't forget the two big and athletic O-line "recruits" that have been added:
    Reid Fragel 6'8" 300
    Darryl Baldwin 6'4" 290

    both former TE with agility and speed.

    I agree both great athletes! But it will take time for either to be consistantly productive at the new positions. OL is prob the slowest developing position on a team.
    Still think we need 3 OL in every class!

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    FredFlintsone

  • FredFlintsone said...

    Well! Once again your intellect is so superior to everyone else, that there were no brains left for us commoners! As i read your narrow minded free of any common sense post, do i realize how stupid you are! If you have a degree it is possible that all the common sense was completely educated out of your dumb ass! Lol

    So let me get this straight: You think there should be at least 3 OLs in every class, we have 8 commits now including one OL, which means 12 spots still to go in a class that will probably be about 20, but you don't think we'll get another 1 more OL out of those 12, much less 2? Man, that's some cockeyed logic. Like I said--bookmarked.

    There's an old saying: it's better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth shut than open it and remove all doubt. The cat's out of the bag--with 13 DVs, I'd say you've done a good job convincing everyone you're an idiot. Fred Flintsone, everyone's favorite lovable loser. With your loser, the sky-is-falling attitude, you should have gone with Schleprock.

    P.S. It's spelled Flintstone, not Flintsone. You can't even get THAT right. What a dumbass.

    iowabuckeyes

  • i think we'll be ok. 5 in last years class, 3/4 in this years class. how many lineman do you want a year?

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    great2belucky

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    So let me get this straight: You think there should be at least 3 OLs in every class, we have 8 commits now including one OL, which means 12 spots still to go in a class that will probably be about 20, but you don't think we'll get another 1 more OL out of those 12, much less 2? Man, that's some cockeyed logic. Like I said--bookmarked.

    There's an old saying: it's better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth shut than open it and remove all doubt. The cat's out of the bag--with 13 DVs, I'd say you've done a good job convincing everyone you're an idiot. Fred Flintsone, everyone's favorite lovable loser. With your loser, the sky-is-falling attitude, you should have gone with Schleprock.

    P.S. It's spelled Flintstone, not Flintsone. You can't even get THAT right. What a dumbass.

    Uhm, i spell my name the way i want! Maybe you solved your own problem? You can't reason or think for your self without it being done for you! See some people have whats called common sense which you don't posess! You just try to dictate to everyone what they need to do sccording to what is presented you by an outside source- your statistical analysis! Lol! Your a pea brain with a degree or otherwise known as an educated DumbAss

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    FredFlintsone

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    So let me get this straight: You think there should be at least 3 OLs in every class, we have 8 commits now including one OL, which means 12 spots still to go in a class that will probably be about 20, but you don't think we'll get another 1 more OL out of those 12, much less 2? Man, that's some cockeyed logic. Like I said--bookmarked.

    There's an old saying: it's better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth shut than open it and remove all doubt. The cat's out of the bag--with 13 DVs, I'd say you've done a good job convincing everyone you're an idiot. Fred Flintsone, everyone's favorite lovable loser. With your loser, the sky-is-falling attitude, you should have gone with Schleprock.

    P.S. It's spelled Flintstone, not Flintsone. You can't even get THAT right. What a dumbass.

    Game. Set. Match.

    I wouldn't waste much more time of Fred or Ferd or however he wants to spell it. You gave a rational data-driven analysis and he prefers to keep panicking.

    PS Nice Schleprock reference

    PhilaBuck

  • PhilaBuck said...

    Game. Set. Match.

    I wouldn't waste much more time of Fred or Ferd or however he wants to spell it. You gave a rational data-driven analysis and he prefers to keep panicking.

    PS Nice Schleprock reference

    I know, I know. Ever since I've started posting on here, I have been continually reminded of the wrestling with a pig reference. Fred's the pig--by dragging me down to his imbecilic level, we're both getting dirty but he's the only one who's enjoying it. In some respects, I think he may be one of Matt's nasty alter egos along with Kamcoach and whoever else is out there. I love it when people dismiss good data and rely strictly on their emotions and then call the person supplying the data stupid and irrational.

    This thread's been bookmarked. And fortunately, OSU's recruiting is in good hands and they aren't Fred's. We'll see how the rest of the 2013 class goes from here over the next 9.5 months.

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    I know, I know. Ever since I've started posting on here, I have been continually reminded of the wrestling with a pig reference. Fred's the pig--by dragging me down to his imbecilic level, we're both getting dirty but he's the only one who's enjoying it. In some respects, I think he may be one of Matt's nasty alter egos along with Kamcoach and whoever else is out there. I love it when people dismiss good data and rely strictly on their emotions and then call the person supplying the data stupid and irrational.

    This thread's been bookmarked. And fortunately, OSU's recruiting is in good hands and they aren't Fred's. We'll see how the rest of the 2013 class goes from here over the next 9.5 months.

    +1 you cant say it any better than that.

    sque32