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iowabuckeyes said...
Per Rivals, we have offered 104 kids but only 12 are OLs and six of them have already committed. That's 12 offers to cover five positions. Conversely, we've offered 4 TEs, 8 QBs, 14 RBs, 15 WRs, 11 LBs, 7 DTs (another position that's hard to project), 10 DEs, 16 DBs, and 7 Athletes.
Overall, Rivals shows 239 OLs with offers. That's not just from OSU but every college in their database. 47 have made commitments (20%). And again, that's to cover 5 OL positions. Meanwhile, 101 QBs have offers and 18 have made commitments (18%); of 142 RBs with offers, 29 have committed (20%); of 173 WRs with offers, 31 have committed (18%). There are still a lot of kids out there waiting to be discovered.
I don't believe Urban's ignoring the OL as much as OL is the hardest position to project. A skill player who's 6/190 like Jalin Marshall has tons of opportunities to showcase his speed and athleticism even as a soph and junior via 7-on-7 competitions, summer camps, playing other sports (basketball, track) but the big guys, that's another story. Most of them don't have the stamina, speed, mobility or skills to play basketball. Even kickers get to play soccer. 95% of the big boys' other sport options are wrestling heavyweight and/or throwing the shot and discus.
And then there's their physical maturation--take a kid who was 250 in December and he could weight 275 (10% increase) by fall. It's possible but highly unlikely Jalin Marshall or Eli Woodard's weights are going to increase by 10% by fall. We have a kid at our local HS who was 6-8/245 OT as a junior; rumor has it he's already up to 260 and hopes to weigh 285 by fall. There are a lot of kids who will fall into that category. If all we want are big fat kids, there are plenty out there; if we want kids who are big and athletic, that's going to take some digging.
Outside of the invitation-only combines that take place around the senior bowl games, the OLs and DTs don't have the benefit of other showcase events like 7-on-7's. The big, athletic kids are a lot harder to find. They don't grow on trees. And they may not play in an offense in HS like Urban will run at OSU, or have access to quality coaching. When you watch film, the camera's usually following the ball, not the blockers. And what about the quality of competition? It should be easy for a 6-6/300 kid to dominate HS competitors he outweighs by 50-60 pounds but that doesn't mean he'll hold his own against guys his own size. The summer camps are critically important to evaluating OLs. Chris Fox was at scUM's last year...guess who he signed with?
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markv said...
Land Pocic and Lazard and I'm happy. Lisle, Pocic, Lazard, Decker, Dodson for two tackle spots the next four or five years. Oconner, Lisle, Underwood maybe even Lazard at Guard. Bobek or Boren at Center. You can only play five no matter how many you recruit. NFL teams carry 8 total. I didn't even mention the Tommy Browns of the world, he is only a red shirt frosh.
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iowabuckeyes said...
Per Rivals, we have offered 104 kids but only 12 are OLs and six of them have already committed. That's 12 offers to cover five positions. Conversely, we've offered 4 TEs, 8 QBs, 14 RBs, 15 WRs, 11 LBs, 7 DTs (another position that's hard to project), 10 DEs, 16 DBs, and 7 Athletes.
Overall, Rivals shows 239 OLs with offers. That's not just from OSU but every college in their database. 47 have made commitments (20%). And again, that's to cover 5 OL positions. Meanwhile, 101 QBs have offers and 18 have made commitments (18%); of 142 RBs with offers, 29 have committed (20%); of 173 WRs with offers, 31 have committed (18%). There are still a lot of kids out there waiting to be discovered.
I don't believe Urban's ignoring the OL as much as OL is the hardest position to project. A skill player who's 6/190 like Jalin Marshall has tons of opportunities to showcase his speed and athleticism even as a soph and junior via 7-on-7 competitions, summer camps, playing other sports (basketball, track) but the big guys, that's another story. Most of them don't have the stamina, speed, mobility or skills to play basketball. Even kickers get to play soccer. 95% of the big boys' other sport options are wrestling heavyweight and/or throwing the shot and discus.
And then there's their physical maturation--take a kid who was 250 in December and he could weight 275 (10% increase) by fall. It's possible but highly unlikely Jalin Marshall or Eli Woodard's weights are going to increase by 10% by fall. We have a kid at our local HS who was 6-8/245 OT as a junior; rumor has it he's already up to 260 and hopes to weigh 285 by fall. There are a lot of kids who will fall into that category. If all we want are big fat kids, there are plenty out there; if we want kids who are big and athletic, that's going to take some digging.
Outside of the invitation-only combines that take place around the senior bowl games, the OLs and DTs don't have the benefit of other showcase events like 7-on-7's. The big, athletic kids are a lot harder to find. They don't grow on trees. And they may not play in an offense in HS like Urban will run at OSU, or have access to quality coaching. When you watch film, the camera's usually following the ball, not the blockers. And what about the quality of competition? It should be easy for a 6-6/300 kid to dominate HS competitors he outweighs by 50-60 pounds but that doesn't mean he'll hold his own against guys his own size. The summer camps are critically important to evaluating OLs. Chris Fox was at scUM's last year...guess who he signed with?
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WashingtonBuck said...
I don't know how we fit in more than one more OL, as by my count we have at most 10 more schollies. If we fill those 10 with the following:
Defense (5): NT- 1 (Hill to replace Hank) DE - 1 (Bowers or other) LB - 1 (Really want Smith ... difference maker) S - 1 (Really want Bell) CB - 1 (Really want Alexander)
Offense (5): QB - 1 (Barrett or Bailey) TE/HB - 1 (Guess Heuermann or McNeil) WR - 2 (Really want Foster and Quick) OT - 1 (??? ... Really need two since they are so hard to project)
Top game changers are Smith, Bell, Alexander, Foster and Quick.
Do we really need another HB ... how about Rod Smith there or I've heard Duanne say Perry? Who now thinks that those 3 lost schollies aren't biting us in the ass.
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FredFlintsone said...
Were getting speed players!
I have to say ever since Meyer got here emphasis on OL recruiting has been average and Michigan has dominated us!
The OL is the place guys have to be versitale and takes longer to develop than any other spots on the field. There should be 3-4 Versitale OL in every class. I don't see us getting another in this class?
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FredFlintsone said...
Your Very Wrong! you had better be 2 deep at every OL position,i have seen as many as 3 go down in one game, Depth on the OL and DL is the backbone to success.
Being selective is good but you have to have a couple border line kids for spot depth or kids who are young and hungry for depth,we have neither!iowabuckeyes
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iowabuckeyes said...
Wow. Not just wrong but "very wrong"? I didn't know there were degrees to being wrong. Is that like being "a little pregnant"?
I think we're all well aware of the need for OL depth but thanks for reminding us of the obvious. It's in moments like this that I'm glad I'm not a VIP--I'd hate to think I'm paying good money for riveting insights like you've contributed and not just on this thread but others. You may have personally set human intellectual evolution back a million years. If brains were currency, you don't have enough to break a dollar bill. You are a knuckle-dragging moron.
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FredFlintsone said...
Well! Once again your intellect is so superior to everyone else, that there were no brains left for us commoners! As i read your narrow minded free of any common sense post, do i realize how stupid you are! If you have a degree it is possible that all the common sense was completely educated out of your dumb ass! Lol
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FredFlintsone said...
Well! Once again your intellect is so superior to everyone else, that there were no brains left for us commoners! As i read your narrow minded free of any common sense post, do i realize how stupid you are! If you have a degree it is possible that all the common sense was completely educated out of your dumb ass! Lol
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iowabuckeyes said...
So let me get this straight: You think there should be at least 3 OLs in every class, we have 8 commits now including one OL, which means 12 spots still to go in a class that will probably be about 20, but you don't think we'll get another 1 more OL out of those 12, much less 2? Man, that's some cockeyed logic. Like I said--bookmarked.
There's an old saying: it's better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth shut than open it and remove all doubt. The cat's out of the bag--with 13 DVs, I'd say you've done a good job convincing everyone you're an idiot. Fred Flintsone, everyone's favorite lovable loser. With your loser, the sky-is-falling attitude, you should have gone with Schleprock.
P.S. It's spelled Flintstone, not Flintsone. You can't even get THAT right. What a dumbass.
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iowabuckeyes said...
So let me get this straight: You think there should be at least 3 OLs in every class, we have 8 commits now including one OL, which means 12 spots still to go in a class that will probably be about 20, but you don't think we'll get another 1 more OL out of those 12, much less 2? Man, that's some cockeyed logic. Like I said--bookmarked.
There's an old saying: it's better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth shut than open it and remove all doubt. The cat's out of the bag--with 13 DVs, I'd say you've done a good job convincing everyone you're an idiot. Fred Flintsone, everyone's favorite lovable loser. With your loser, the sky-is-falling attitude, you should have gone with Schleprock.
P.S. It's spelled Flintstone, not Flintsone. You can't even get THAT right. What a dumbass.
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iowabuckeyes said...
I know, I know. Ever since I've started posting on here, I have been continually reminded of the wrestling with a pig reference. Fred's the pig--by dragging me down to his imbecilic level, we're both getting dirty but he's the only one who's enjoying it. In some respects, I think he may be one of Matt's nasty alter egos along with Kamcoach and whoever else is out there. I love it when people dismiss good data and rely strictly on their emotions and then call the person supplying the data stupid and irrational.
This thread's been bookmarked. And fortunately, OSU's recruiting is in good hands and they aren't Fred's. We'll see how the rest of the 2013 class goes from here over the next 9.5 months.
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OL recruiting?