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  • With the 2012 class filling up fast and sanctions.....I can't help but think about who will transfer between now and fall? Any thoughts? Clearer whoever does transfer will be addition through subtraction......

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • BUCKTOWNSON said...

    With the 2012 class filling up fast and sanctions.....I can't help but think about who will transfer between now and fall? Any thoughts? Clearer whoever does transfer will be addition through subtraction......

    TY Williams for sure...then potentially a DL or two that doesn't make the 2 deep (Hale, Hayes, Farris) and possibly somebody like Tommy Brown who will likely never see the field since he was a Walrus-type recruit.

    akunsman

  • akunsman said...

    TY Williams for sure...then potentially a DL or two that doesn't make the 2 deep (Hale, Hayes, Farris) and possibly somebody like Tommy Brown who will likely never see the field since he was a Walrus-type recruit.

    I CAN'T believe I am seeing this NEGATIVE Thread coming out of the Spring Game already.
    Tyrone Williams is receiving praise and so was Farris. And Joel Hale was in the two deep as a True Freshmen. WOW WTF Urban is not going to allow any STUDS to quit the team. He made that point very clear. He is not interested in recruiting Big Classes. He wants Mickey to get the kids in great shape and keep the ones he has.
    And everyone wants to recruit more OL, and kick Tommy Brown off the team? Why? He is just fine. Leave him alone! How many HS kids out there is better than Tommy Brown at OG, let alone OT?
    We don't need him to play Tackle. He was a fill in for Dodson who is not enrolled yet.
    He should be playing OG.
    As far as Tyrone goes, how often do you find mismatches like this in College Football?
    A 6-6 WR setting up in the slot going up against a small SS in Goal Line situations?
    Perfect Situations for 2 Point Conversions, Short Gainers, Etc.
    Unbelievable Mismatches that those Bozos last year never capitalized on!

    And if Carter continues to impress in Gametime situations, then I dont see much talentwise attrition. The only attrition I see is the unforeseen disciplinary, medical, and academic.

    Catdaddyh

  • I absolutely hate posts like this. It's one thing to talk hypothetically about roster attrition as part of the broader landscape, which we all know will happen because it always has, but something altogether more sinister and cowardly to start naming names. It's patently unfair. I'm going to DV anyone who names names. Let's support all of our players instead of creating a dead man pool to see who can predict who will leave first. If this really that important to you, call Vegas--maybe the oddsmakers will start posting odds. It's a sucker's bet because anyone playing this stupid game sucks!

    iowabuckeyes

  • Hopefully, everyone here will be in shape, healthy, take care of school, and have a good year. All of these kids were selected by a head coach who won a national championship and multiple conference titles. Seems that asking which ones will leave between now and next spring is way premature.

    ButlerBuck

  • Catdaddyh said...

    I CAN'T believe I am seeing this NEGATIVE Thread coming out of the Spring Game already. Tyrone Williams is receiving praise and so was Farris. And Joel Hale was in the two deep as a True Freshmen. WOW WTF Urban is not going to allow any STUDS to quit the team. He made that point very clear. He is not interested in recruiting Big Classes. He wants Mickey to get the kids in great shape and keep the ones he has. And everyone wants to recruit more OL, and kick Tommy Brown off the team? Why? He is just fine. Leave him alone! How many HS kids out there is better than Tommy Brown at OG, let alone OT? We don't need him to play Tackle. He was a fill in for Dodson who is not enrolled yet. He should be playing OG. As far as Tyrone goes, how often do you find mismatches like this in College Football? A 6-6 WR setting up in the slot going up against a small SS in Goal Line situations? Perfect Situations for 2 Point Conversions, Short Gainers, Etc. Unbelievable Mismatches that those Bozos last year never capitalized on!

    And if Carter continues to impress in Gametime situations, then I dont see much talentwise attrition. The only attrition I see is the unforeseen disciplinary, medical, and academic.

    Best Post I've seen in awhile. Iowa you too.

    Good to read that there still are people who share the same thoughts as I do.

    Urban Meyer DLs play a lot of guys to keep them fresh so everyone will get to play. TY has turned the corner.

    canadabuck10

  • How is this not a legitemate post. He's just getting opinions on who he thinks might transfer.
    Chris Fields. But had an awesome spring game, good job Chris
    Maybe T.Y. If they can't get his hands up to par.
    Ron Tanner.
    Cardale Jones his junior year if he doesnt see more than 10 snaps and if we bring in some heavy competition. (JT Barrett)

    Those who leave, will be champions. - Justin Boren

    COODanke

  • Thank you CO Dank. What I think everyone forgets is this is business. I'm sure the coaches sit down with certain players and certain players sit with coaches and discuss the future. This happens every year at every school. This isn't high school where everyone makes the team or pee wee where everyone plays. When I made this post I was thinking in terms of the players not fitting the system or just fitting in period and deciding to leave. New system and new coaches, this happens. Urban doesn't want big classes? What a joke. #1 he will not be able too for the next few cycles and once again this is business so what....... Urb will one day be sitting at 20 players and can take 25 and he says wait!!!! No more in this class.......can you be anymore foolish to think that. He will take every player that he wants, can get and fit with the #s. Reality people. Some will leave, some will be forced to leave for one reason or another. Period. This is how it's been and always will be. Although I do understand most people have only delt with one side of the fence with a big glass of cool-aid. When your ready to piss in the tall grass let us reality thinkers know.

    This post was edited by BUCKTOWNSON on 4/24/2012 at 8:04 AM

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • BUCKTOWNSON said...

    Thank you CO Dank. What I think everyone forgets is this is business. I'm sure the coaches sit down with certain players and certain players sit with coaches and discuss the future. This happens every year at every school. This isn't high school where everyone makes the team or pee wee where everyone plays. When I made this post I was thinking in terms of the players not fitting the system or just fitting in period and deciding to leave. New system and new coaches, this happens. Urban doesn't want big classes? What a joke. #1 he will not be able too for the next few cycles and once again this is business so what....... Urb will one day be sitting at 20 players and can take 25 and he says wait!!!! No more in this class.......can you be anymore foolish to think that. He will take every player that he wants, can get and fit with the #s. Reality people. Some will leave, some will be forced to leave for one reason or another. Period. This is how it's been and always will be. Although I do understand most people have only delt with one side of the fence with a big glass of cool-aid. When your ready to piss in the tall grass let us reality thinkers know.

    I dont think anybody is upset at the talk of attrition but rather the callousness in which many on this board speak about it.. There are so many posters who sit on here wishing that so and so will leave so UFM can bring in another recruit. That is where I get upset... I'll never wish or hope for the downfall of any of these players... Let attrition happen naturally lets not root for it to occur with certain people.

    kellen1

  • Am I allowed to say Brian Bobek? This is exactly the type of situations I was trying to point out. Urb just used marginal so many times and I do not think for one second he just meant that for incoming recruits. Players that have the chance to play elsewhere should explore the option. Should we be happy or sad? I say happy. Bobek will play somewhere. No player should just sit on the 3 deep. Good luck BB!!!!

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • In my mind, transferring mainly applies to guys that are buried on the depth chart and will never play. 4th string QB Justin Siems comes to mind, he will never play here.

    bucksandsurfing

  • Siems is a walk-on. Anyone know yet if Adam Griffin is still on scholarship. He should get free tuition since Archie is Senior VP of Alumni Relations under Gee.

    bucknut073

  • Sounds as if Brian Bobek is gone.

    Should be at 17 in April. Have to imagine it will be at 20-22 by February.

    BuckeyeMark

  • kellen1 said...

    I dont think anybody is upset at the talk of attrition but rather the callousness in which many on this board speak about it.. There are so many posters who sit on here wishing that so and so will leave so UFM can bring in another recruit. That is where I get upset... I'll never wish or hope for the downfall of any of these players... Let attrition happen naturally lets not root for it to occur with certain people.

    You don't think anyone is upset? Look at how many down votes I got from these jerk offs lolhammer

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • bucknut073 said...

    Siems is a walk-on. Anyone know yet if Adam Griffin is still on scholarship. He should get free tuition since Archie is Senior VP of Alumni Relations under Gee.

    Correct: Siems is a walk-on. People need to do some research before they start calling for pulling scholarships from kids who don't have one. Run off Cardale as some would like to do and Siems becomes our 3rd string by default...maybe Bauserman has some extra eligibility. Yeah, there's a solution.

    Adam Griffin was one of the surprises of the spring game. He had 4 solos, 2 assists and an INT. That doesn't mean he'll play much in the fall but he played exceptionally well Saturday, particularly since Herman was probably picking on him. And I'm sure he's not the only kid on the team from a well-to-do family. Why is he being singled out? Just because his old man works for the University? For all we know, he may have already given it up, taken a hit for the team. In any case, shouldn't that be between him and Urban and his parents?

    Brian Bobek was a 4-star recruit, the 2011 class's #1 center. He just finished his RS FR playing behind a 4-year starter. From what I've heard, his #1 issue has been putting on weight (he weighs 275) but he started at center for the Gray team. The Gray OL had only only starter (Norwell) and yet they protected Guiton better (2 sack) than the Scarlet team protected Miller (7 sacks) even though it had four OL starters. The Scarlet team's two sacks were by Shazier and Bennett, who played DE, which means Bobek didn't give up either one of them.

    Tanner played OK in the spring game. He got beat by Devin Smith on his TD but otherwise I thought he played all right. Pound for pound, he's supposed to be one of the team's most ferocious hitters.

    iowabuckeyes

  • BUCKTOWNSON said...

    You don't think anyone is upset? Look at how many down votes I got from these jerk offs lolhammer

    I didn't DV you only because you didn't name names. But considering you invited other people to do what you didn't, I should have.

    Maybe we should kick you off the board for having too many DVs and only 4-stars. I mean, seriously, we want respectable posters on this board, right? People who are adding value? But I'm assuming there's a good explanation for how someone with only 20 posts has alienated enough people to have only 4 stars so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    But wouldn't kicking you off the board be a fair analogy to what you're unfairly advocating--running guys off the team because they're not contributing to your high standards? If you want to be given the benefit of the doubt and taken seriously, shouldn't you give THEM the same consideration?

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    I didn't DV you only because you didn't name names. But considering you invited other people to do what you didn't, I should have.

    Maybe we should kick you off the board for having too many DVs and only 4-stars. I mean, seriously, we want respectable posters on this board, right? People who are adding value? But I'm assuming there's a good explanation for how someone with only 20 posts has alienated enough people to have only 4 stars so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

    But wouldn't kicking you off the board be a fair analogy to what you're unfairly advocating--running guys off the team because they're not contributing to your high standards? If you want to be given the benefit of the doubt and taken seriously, shouldn't you give THEM the same consideration?

    When did I say that? Really I'm seriously starting to wonder about you. Down vote. Do whatever you feel. This isn't my life and claim to fame as it is yours. Last time I checked this is the good ol United Staes of America. I do what I feel and say what I like. What I'm clearly saying about Bobek is (if you read it) NO ONE DESERVES TO SIT ON ANY TEAMS 3 DEEP!!!! Did you READ that? Any chance you caught that? Or are you reading what you want? Soaking in only what you want? My father played at this great University. I have a way different perspective on this. Way different then yours because of what and who I was brought up by. For some reason you seem to think these players care so much about this.....what fans might say or write. Let me tell you first hand.....they do not. Read everything I say a few times before you respond please! The great 5 star.....what a joke bahaha

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • Just got an email alert from Bleacher Report about transfers and they're naming names. Maybe you should go kick them in the balls also lolsarcasm

    This post was edited by BUCKTOWNSON on 4/25/2012 at 11:27 PM

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • One of the best reframe I've ever seen Iowa. It's only business...

    Attrition will happen, we don't have to name names. And this is still amateur ball, its not wall street. The reason osu is in a mess right now is because some players forgot they were amateurs. No need to be callous about another human being because we "think" we know what the deal is. We dont have a personal relationship with these players and their families, the coaches do. So hopefully all parties end up happy with their decisions to either stay or leave. Let the chips fall as they may.

    Rossco1003

  • BUCKTOWNSON said...

    When did I say that? Really I'm seriously starting to wonder about you. Down vote. Do whatever you feel. This isn't my life and claim to fame as it is yours. Last time I checked this is the good ol United Staes of America. I do what I feel and say what I like. What I'm clearly saying about Bobek is (if you read it) NO ONE DESERVES TO SIT ON ANY TEAMS 3 DEEP!!!! Did you READ that? Any chance you caught that? Or are you reading what you want? Soaking in only what you want? My father played at this great University. I have a way different perspective on this. Way different then yours because of what and who I was brought up by. For some reason you seem to think these players care so much about this.....what fans might say or write. Let me tell you first hand.....they do not. Read everything I say a few times before you respond please! The great 5 star.....what a joke bahaha

    I agree with you that most of the players don't care about what is said on a message board, however, some do actually read and care about boards. However, these are 18 to 22 year old kids that do care what others think about them. Pryor once tweeted a negative comment from a message board and went off about it. Williams' family was on these very boards when people were ripping him. A member of Stoney's family has frequented the boards as well as the Shugarts family. So you may feel that no one cares about these boards, but some of the players and families have and do read these boards. I don't know if you have kids, but how would feel if people were ripping your son behind a message board? I can promise you they at least talk to their kid about it and it is not a positive conversation. Just something to think about.

    mabbucknut

  • mabbucknut said...

    I agree with you that most of the players don't care about what is said on a message board, however, some do actually read and care about boards. However, these are 18 to 22 year old kids that do care what others think about them. Pryor once tweeted a negative comment from a message board and went off about it. Williams' family was on these very boards when people were ripping him. A member of Stoney's family has frequented the boards as well as the Shugarts family. So you may feel that no one cares about these boards, but some of the players and families have and do read these boards. I don't know if you have kids, but how would feel if people were ripping your son behind a message board? I can promise you they at least talk to their kid about it and it is not a positive conversation. Just something to think about.

    I would tell my son or daughter this is the way of the world. Hopefully he or she has figured that out living 18 years in this world so far. People have opinions. People set judgement. Even at this very moment judgement is being set on me. What one says, that is outside of his or her situation says, has actually no barring on what they do and how they conduct business. I guess I think superior and not inferior. I wouldn't feel like I need to attack anyone for saying anything because they have opinions. Just like IOWABUCKEYE or anyone else. My son or daughter understand that they control destiny of their own lives. Not message board writers. If he or she does take it to heart......let it become a positive motivation. Also I have a complex issue about a few people calling these players kids. Last time I heard in this country when you turn 18 you become fully responsible for yourself. Which means you're considered an adult. Just because you're an Ohio State football player for the next 3 to 5 years doesn't renounce that.

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • BUCKTOWNSON said...

    With the 2012 class filling up fast and sanctions.....I can't help but think about who will transfer between now and fall? Any thoughts? Clearer whoever does transfer will be addition through subtraction......

    Will these who is going to transfer out so we can recruit more threads never cease?

    TaylorBuck

  • BUCKTOWNSON said...

    When did I say that? Really I'm seriously starting to wonder about you. Down vote. Do whatever you feel. This isn't my life and claim to fame as it is yours. Last time I checked this is the good ol United Staes of America. I do what I feel and say what I like. What I'm clearly saying about Bobek is (if you read it) NO ONE DESERVES TO SIT ON ANY TEAMS 3 DEEP!!!! Did you READ that? Any chance you caught that? Or are you reading what you want? Soaking in only what you want? My father played at this great University. I have a way different perspective on this. Way different then yours because of what and who I was brought up by. For some reason you seem to think these players care so much about this.....what fans might say or write. Let me tell you first hand.....they do not. Read everything I say a few times before you respond please! The great 5 star.....what a joke bahaha

    Bullshit. How can you claim these kids don't pay attention to what fans say when you're getting all bent out of shape by something I'VE said? Who are YOU to suggest 18-23's have thicker skins than anyone else? When your old man played for OSU, technology like the Internet and Twitter and texting that allow people to say anything they want about anyone they want while hiding behind a coward's cloak of anonymity and the good ol First Amendment's right to free speech didn't exist. The only criticism came from the media. But even then, it was hard for young men to deal with being crucified in the press.

    If you're not going to have a 3-deep, why do we need 85 scholarships? Do the math, genius: 22 x 3 = 66 - 85 = 19 for specialists and 4th stringers. So why not just draw the line at 50 scholarships and make the rest walk-ons? Hell, why not just pick our 8 best DLs and run the rest of them off?

    And by the way, I have a nephew playing CFB. His father played at OSU. I have a brother in law who's an assistant coach at a BCS school so while your "experience" goes back a generation when pagers and faxes were all the rage, these guys are dealing with it today. They care about what people are saying about them. They wouldn't be human if they didn't.

    Dumbass.

    iowabuckeyes

  • iowabuckeyes said...

    Bullshit. How can you claim these kids don't pay attention to what fans say when you're getting all bent out of shape by something I'VE said? Who are YOU to suggest 18-23's have thicker skins than anyone else? When your old man played for OSU, technology like the Internet and Twitter and texting that allow people to say anything they want about anyone they want while hiding behind a coward's cloak of anonymity and the good ol First Amendment's right to free speech didn't exist. The only criticism came from the media. But even then, it was hard for young men to deal with being crucified in the press.

    If you're not going to have a 3-deep, why do we need 85 scholarships? Do the math, genius: 22 x 3 = 66 - 85 = 19 for specialists and 4th stringers. So why not just draw the line at 50 scholarships and make the rest walk-ons? Hell, why not just pick our 8 best DLs and run the rest of them off?

    And by the way, I have a nephew playing CFB. His father played at OSU. I have a brother in law who's an assistant coach at a BCS school so while your "experience" goes back a generation when pagers and faxes were all the rage, these guys are dealing with it today. They care about what people are saying about them. They wouldn't be human if they didn't.

    Dumbass.

    If they are pay attention to critics...... then the players attention is in the wrong place and he will never be successful. This is the way losers think. Worried about what people say so much they lose focus. How you talk is classic loser talk. If you listen to every champion they say we do not pay attention to what critics say and if they are..... they use it for positive motivation. A person like you will use it to be cry babies and say this is why we can't get better. Also your Mom is a dumbass since you want too throw low blows like a idiot you are. You're weak and could never be a leader because you would only make these type of excuses for failure. Also when did i say it shouldn't be a 3 deep? If you read it idiot......I was saying talent wise if you get recruited to OSU like Bobek a 4 star he shouldn't and I wouldn't want to see his talent wasted sitting on the 3 deep. NO ONE DESERVES THAT. Will you please learn how to read and comprehend what people are writing before you lash out with foolish rants. Ultimate coward and hypocrite. Everything you fight me on you in turn do to me. Me a coward? lol I think you were looking in the mirror when you type that bullshit.

    BUCKTOWNSON

  • BUCKTOWNSON said...

    If they are pay attention to critics...... then the players attention is in the wrong place and he will never be successful. This is the way losers think. Worried about what people say so much they lose focus. How you talk is classic loser talk. If you listen to every champion they say we do not pay attention to what critics say and if they are..... they use it for positive motivation. A person like you will use it to be cry babies and say this is why we can't get better. Also your Mom is a dumbass since you want too throw low blows like a idiot you are. You're weak and could never be a leader because you would only make these type of excuses for failure. Also when did i say it shouldn't be a 3 deep? If you read it idiot......I was saying talent wise if you get recruited to OSU like Bobek a 4 star he shouldn't and I wouldn't want to see his talent wasted sitting on the 3 deep. NO ONE DESERVES THAT. Will you please learn how to read and comprehend what people are writing before you lash out with foolish rants. Ultimate coward and hypocrite. Everything you fight me on you in turn do to me. Me a coward? lol I think you were looking in the mirror when you type that bullshit.

    Keep it up. You're just making a fool out of yourself. I have fired people. It's never pleasant but you do what's best for the organization and even for the individual. But you don't run up and down the halls telling everyone, which is what you're doing. I have also had to lay people off. That's never fun, either. I'll bet you've never done that...anyone who brings another person's mother into an argument can't be more than 22 years old. That's how juveniles talk. Grown men don't insult each other's mothers. Grow up. Be a man.

    Bobek is a REDSHIRT FRESHMAN. There is no rule that says a redshirt freshman has to start or even be second string. What about Brown, Carter, Vannett, Hayes, Steve Miller? They're all RS FR and playing 3rd string. Why aren't you calling for them to leave? At least be consistent. Why do you have a woody for Bobek? And BTW, Jacoby Boren has an injured shoulder, had his arm in a sling for the spring game. That makes Bobek second string, not third string--he started for the Grey Team.

    And everyone pays attention to critics, even the best athletes. They can say they don't but they do. It doesn't mean you can't use that criticism for motivation but if it didn't bother you in the first place, how can you use it? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you're going to debate me, stop being a wishy-washy pussy and at least pick one position and stick with it.

    This post was edited by iowabuckeyes on 4/28/2012 at 5:28 PM

    iowabuckeyes