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Earlier this season both Michael Redd and Scoonie Penn made the comment that Ross was the most gifted player on this team. I don't get it.....what do they see in Ross that I don't? To date he has shown he doesn't have the ability to handle the basketball, has been at best a streaky shooter, has no strength at all and just seems lost out on the floor committing turnover after turnover and making bad plays. This team needed Ross and Williams to become legitimate B1G type players to compete and it doesn't appear to be in the cards. Unless we get a remarkable improvement from those 2 as well as Thompson, Scott and Craft we will have real problems getting invited to the dance....so far no quality wins.
agreed........i said it earlier this year that I did not understand how we could be ranked, yet alone in the top 10. Our best game so far was the loss to Duke and only reason we played well in that game is because Duke was coming back from the Bahamas after three games in three days. We met a tired Duke team and could not beat them.
NIT this year because I just dont see us getting may quality wins. Who have we beaten this year. If the media and coaches actually watch games, we should drop out of the top 25.
We are looking pretty average out there. Disappointed Thompson, Williams and Ross haven't developed a whole lot from last year. Maybe Urban will lend Micky Mariotti to Thad Matta for the off season to strenghten these guys up. A 20 win season would be a good accomplishment I would think.
I agree with you guys I fail to see the love fest with Ross as well but it's early. There's a lot of games to be played.
Ross isn't very good. I think he is overrated All this talk last year how he should be playing - well, we can see why this year.
That said - if he could learn to work in the flow of the offensive and not always just looking out for himself he will improve, but all i see is a kid looking to try to score and not run an offensive - he needs to learn to be a team player - play hard defensive. Quit dribbling the ball around and turning it over as well.
1. lacks ball handling skills
2. thinks that he can shoot a 3 with a player in his face
3. attempts the spin move all the time, which once a defensive player sees this will exploit it
4. weak rebounding. weak defender
Can he improve... yes... but it's going to take time and a better understanding of the game.
ross, thompson and scott 1 for 14. two big guys 4 or 5 points. can't win or be competitive with play like that. illinois did shoot the lights out but there is no one except thomas who can shoot well or even put up a decent jump shot from the outside right now. this team needs a lot of work if they hope to make the tournament in march.
Well when u have to worry about getting taken out from one mistake you're facing a lot of pressure with lack of confidence to produce.
Ross needed the playing time last season to play through these types of mistakes - a point that many of us on the board were making ad nauseum.
Now, it looks like the leash may be getting tighter and Ross faces the chance of getting knocked out of the rotation if he doesn't improve. The truth is that Matta is experimenting with the 8-man rotation, which he probably isn't comfortable with, but he is going to have little choice but to abandone it if Ross continues with poor shot selection and turnovers.
I won't be surprised if Matta starts getting Della Valle a few more minutes. He probably should have done so yesterday, as he couldn't have done much worse.
It is hard for me to understand how this team can shoot so poorly. Shooting is the easiest fundamental in basketball and does not require that much athletic ability. Learn the correct form and practice it over and over and you can't help but be good at it. Amir Williams has a hard time cacthing the ball and can not hang on to it once he gets it. Thad needs to make him lift weights a lot. Amir needs to get stronger and meaner - big time. Ross has lots of talent, his problem is he is somewhat selfish and to be blunt not that smart of a basketball player
Let me interject a thought- this is from a coaches view(even though with much younger guys)-Ross is the type of guy, to me that I would go to and hand him a basketball and say//"son you are now one of my starters..you have the skills to help us. I have confidence in you to get the job done,.now go out there and play me some basketball, like I think you can do'what Matta hads done is taken this kids confidence away by bringing him in a game and asking him to play a role as a non-starter...he has no confidence in that and it has started to show.....I have see a dozen kids just like him...once he believes in him self and sees that so does his coach there is a world of diffference in his play...just a thought...
Ross is the most talented to me. He just does not get to learn on the floor. Bad turnovers? Sure. Go back and look at Turners early games. Plus he seems to feel under pressure to make something happen because he knows his time is very limited. He has not had a chance to work through his problems. Against Duke, when we could not buy a bucket, he was kept out until the final 2 minutes. Matta must have forgot he was the one to keep us going when Thomas went out in foul trouble.
Whether Ross deserves to play or not, I don't know. I am not in practice, bit he does have the most talent. He is 6'8" with a killer spin move and he actually has better handles than Turner did as a sophomore. He has probably the third best handles on the team behind Craft and Scott. He uses his spin move way too much but so did Turner until he realized he could fool people by faking the spin and going the other way. He is probably our second best long range threat behind Thomas. He is our third tallest player behind Williams and McDonald. You can just watch Ross on the court and see his talent. Every expert who has watched him play has said it. Every former player has said it. The scouts in the Chicago camp said it. I guess if you can't see it,....to each his own.
This post was edited by VillBuckeye 15 months ago
I agree completely.
I think the lack of complementary pieces for Thomas, Craft, and Scott is the REAL problem. I do not think that Thomas, Craft, or Scott, are the problem.
Thomas is who he is, "Pop-a-Shot Thomas." But, like Bufford, when he is on, he is ON. Unfortunately, he doesn't have the moves that Bufford did.
Craft is most comfortable being a feisty defender, passing the ball, and taking opportune shots while others draw the best defenders. Scott is basically a clone of Craft. So, having them both on the floor is advantageous on defense, but unless you have at least two guys who can score out there with them, you're handicapped at the offensive side of the floor.
Amir reminds me of KK in that he is Big, but plays small. Only Amir doesn't have NEAR the range that KK had.
You can see flashes with Ross, but the proverbial light has yet to turn on for him. He has talent, but has, as of yet, been unable to put it together on the floor.
I actually think that Amir and Ross have similar problems. They are both pretty much lost mentally, and that prevents them from playing better.
I don't think I can EVER recall a time when Ohio State Basketball teams were so consistently dominated when playing in the offensive paint.
Turner turned the ball over in his early years but Turner could rebound, score, play defense and he had mental toughness for 40 minutes in these early years unlike Ross who does not possess any of these talents and qualities for a basketball player. I don't give a crap what everyone says about Ross you have to show it on the court and play with some physical and mental toughness. Ross doesn't show it on the court and he is an overrated player.
This post was edited by buckibball4ever 15 months ago
vill, what buckibball said. Things you say above regarding Ross may by accurate. The problem is he doesn't get it done on the court on game days. Why that is I have no idea. I was looking forward this season to seeing Ross play and what he brings to the table. As you say Ross is 6'8", a fluid athlete with a nice stroke. However to date he just lacks confidence and has not brought his game on game days. To compare him at this point in time to Turner is absurd. Does Ross have some of the same gifts as Turner? Certainly....however, mentally he's just not there and until he gets it this team will struggle. Sadly, there are many gifted players that for many reasons never pan out. Let's hope that Matta can reach Ross sooner rather than later. Halfway through his sophomore year and he's been a disappointment. He needs to take a few tough pills and play with some passion and toughness. I will continue to root for him however.
I think this is a case of good old-fashioned learning. Ross needs to play through the mistakes and try to improve shot selection and reduce turnovers. It's that simple. His defense has been fine, but he also needs to remember to box out.
He's not anywhere close to being in ET's league right now, and Ross would be best served by focussing on the fundamentals. Turner worked hard and incrementally improved his all around game every year and Ross needs to do the same.
Agree that he's going through a learning curve....let's hope that Matta sticks with him through the struggle and that he is rewarded in the end. If he goes away from Ross now we will most likely lose him for good. What do you think about playing Ross a little more in the post area? I know he has a nice stroke but he has also shown flashes of being able to get things done with his back to the basket. If you moved him down there it takes away some of his ball handling gaffs and would put Thomas more on the outside to take advantage of his outside shot. Just trying to figure out anything to get this offense kick started.
I understand what you are saying, but when did Turner turn it on? Not the moment he stepped on the court. It was actually during the NIT run at the end of his Freshman year. After he played at least 25 minutes in about 30 games. After he turned the ball over numerous times. After he looked lost on defense several times. Then, it clicked and he became comfortable. But he got to play through the problems to get to that point.
Ross is not getting that opportunity. He missed much of last year, and he is lucky to get 15 minutes on the floor this year. Usually when the team is already way up, or already getting beat. If he were told, just go play, I am not pulling you out, he would play more freely. In his ears, he hears how all of these people saying he is great, he probably has many people telling him that Matta is holding him back, he knows if he makes mistakes he is out, and he wants some stats. He is a better shooter than Turner and has better handles than Turner at this stage. I feel the comparison is a good one. The difference is playing time. As Turners playing time increased he became better. When he moved into the starting line up ahead of Diebler, he became better. When the torch was passed to him during the NIT run, he became better. Those steps have not happened with Ross. They may never happen.
Interesting thought and probably worth a try, but I'm not sure he is strong or heavy enough to play with his back to the basket.
Agree that if Matta benches him, he will transfer.
I'm still convinced that the best way to jump start the offense is by playing Craft and Scott together to pressure the ball and get some steals. A few lay-ups might help, although Craft has even been missing these. We are better in transition than in the half court.
12 minutes gone by in second half. Still no Ross, after the good finish to the first half. How will he develop?
VillBuckeye, completely agree.....Ross played well in the first half.....one of his best performances of the year. Another head scratching decision from Matta. Even the most loyal of OSU fans have to question some his in-game coaching moves. If his game day coaching matched his recruiting we most likely would have had a national title by now.
0 second half minutes. Wow. I am a lifelong Buckeye fan and I would hate to see him go, but he should transfer if this continues. Unbelievable. Same old Matta.
I'm listening to the radio and I'm anxious to see if Ron Scott brings it up. He did mention at about the 8 minute mark of the second half that he was surprised Ross had not gotten in the game. Great win tonight but a poor, poor coaching move by Matta. Ross really flashed in the first half and to not try to build on that in the second half is almost unforgiveable. Would not be surprised to see some frustration from Ross.
Matta said after the game he told Ross in the locker room that the reason he didn't play in the second half had more to do with defense.....liked what he did in the first half. Got the win which is all that matters but it was not a good coaching decision. There were times in the second half when we were up by 14. Ross could have gotten 4 or 5 minutes around the middle of the half. Good win however.
Craft and Ross played most of the second half together tonight and were solid. Purdue pretty much followed your strategy and took DT out of the game in the 2nd half. But good defense, passing, rebounding, clock management, and a little offense by Craft, Thompson, and some nice inside passes from Scott to Williams for the dunks was enough to win it.
Purdue has some talented guards, but we will have to take it up a notch against Michigan this weekend.
Ross did well in the first half and it probably would have been good to give him 5 minutes in the 2nd to see if he could sustain it.
This post was edited by JAG24 15 months ago
Craft=Jon Diebler---everybody is a critic until he graduates or leaves and then they realize how much of a difference he made to the team. Everybody thought last year's team would dominate and be twice as good as the year before. Granted, they made a FF but they played some pretty lousy basketball in between.
It might be a little easier losing Craft since I think Scott is on his way to being a great player, but there is no way Craft should play less than 30 minutes on average.
I wish Matta played his bench a little more, but not much. Winning is the bottom line.
very surprised ross didn't play in the second half. i think the first half was the best he has played all year and helped open up the middle quite a bit. very poor move on matta's part. it's earl in the season when the team is being built. when someone who has been shaky finally starts to play well, let him play.
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