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Getting out rebounded.
Can't shot the 3.
Can't defend against the 3.
Craft can't make a layup.
But I keep telling myself it's still a relatively young team so even though we're losing Thomas the future looks bright. And I'll keep on watching.
NIT looks to be more our speed at this point.
What are you talking about? Why stop at the NIT? We shouldn't even be D1... We shouldn't even be D2 or D3. This team couldn't beat the third grade team from Cuyahooga YMCA that got 4th place!....
This team is an NCAA team, prob a 6-8 seed. How far they go depends on the match ups.
I think we win 20 - 21 games in season,maybe 1 in the Big Ten tourney.
22 wins from the Big Ten gets us in easily and this is a young team!
A bit of an aberration, but no doubt one of the worst games of the Matta era. I cannot understand why Scott was not in the game in the early minutes to defend the 3-point line. I also cannot understand why he wasn't in to begin the second half to speed up the tempo. Hell, we are down by 20 points walking the ball up, playing a half-court set, and running the shot clock down to single digits before shooting. One assist total in the first half is shockingly bad.
But I will say that even with a good game plan, we would have lost today. Jackson's son was outstanding as were all the Badgers. Our guys played average to poor across the board. Della Valle was the lone bright spot. McDonald hustled on defense and rebounded, but his offensive game just isn't there. I don't expect him to hit 100% from the line, but 0-4 without even coming close isn't going to pass muster. I don't know what has happened to Ravenel, his shooting is off. Needless to say, second terrible performance from Amir Williams after it looked as if he had finally turned the corner.
This is one of those game tapes to burn. We need huge turnaround to be Minnesota, who has a solid team.
I understand what you are saying, but with the way kids are leaving after one/two years I do not believe there is such a thing as a young team anymore. They are just teams and will be different next year. Right now, we are kind of bad!
Good lord, I can't believe I'm about to try and raise OSU's spirits, but calm down. Wisconsin played the best game of the year by most accounts. Just cause you aren't top ten doesnt mean you aren't good. You'll kick Minnesota to the curb, you have the athletes to match and Tubbys a poor coach. Good luck, we'll need everyone to step their game up come tourney time, even the lower half teams like Iowa, Minnesota, and OSU.
If God dwells inside us, like some people say, I sure hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting
Minnesota is a bad team? No, they are a pretty good team. At least the Gophers took Wisconsin to overtime in the Kohl Center whereas Ohio State lost the game to the Badgers during the first nine minutes of the game. Tubby is a good coach who has posted several twenty win seasons and he has a NC to boot even though it was Rick Pitino's UK team. This Buckeye sophomore class flat out sucks! This group had better learn how to shoot the ball and play with some damn passion both sides of the ball. Buckeyes had better come and play versus a surging Minnesota team or there will be another loss versus the Gophers. This stretch is pretty hard for the Buckeyes. Northwestern game will be hard at Welsh-Ryan Arena. Illinois is surging at the right time right now. Indiana is almost unbeatable in Bloomington. MSU kills teams right now with Appling, Harris, Payne and everyone else who plays with more passion in one game than OSU has for the whole season. OSU is very lucky that the Big Ten doesn't suck or they would be considered a bubble team like Villanova or Saint Mary's.
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Oh you mean the coach who's team lost 72-51 to Iowa today? Minnesota vs UW is a heated rivalry. Think Ohio vs the University of Michigan, both teams come ready to play. You'll beat Minnesota no problem, mark it down.
So what if they beat Minnesota? What does that prove? They will get blown out at IU, probably lose 3 of last 5 games. Get an 8 seed in the NCAA tourney and lose in the first round. Next year looks worse.
Iowa beat Wisconsin in Iowa City. Minnesota beat Wisconsin in Minneapolis. Wisconsin beat Minnesota in Madison. What's your point? Minnesota is not a bad team. Tubby is not a bad coach. OSU had better come to play Minnesota unlike Northwestern they will have their starting five ready to play. This Buckeye team had better come to play or expect another loss on the horizon.
The one and dones are great as long as you don't lose your role players with them,ask Kentucky! When they lost Jones and Miller last year that was the glue of that team, you can get all the Anthony Davis' you want if you don't have 4 or 5 roll players that are upper class men you will not go far in the NCAA tournament, You must have 3 things to win in basketball, DEFENSE, a point guard who can score and defend and a Post presence who can score and defend!
Right now we have 1 of the 3. decent half court team defense, Craft is one dimensional we have young or bad post players right now, which ever you want to call them.
Craft has no one to throw the ball in the post or on the wings other than Deshaun Thomas. Williams cannot catch the ball in the post. Smith Jr. cannot score and Thompson only scores off lob passes or solitary dunks when the Buckeyes are down by twenty plus points aka Wisconsin. This sophomore class sucks!
After all the bad press the team is getting and soul searching they are supposedly doing, if they don't come out tonight with their foot on the gas and play 40 minutes of intense ball then they will never find their way. I'd sure like to see at least four guys in double figures tonight.
Yes, it was about this time last season that the board was very negative on our outlook. Buford was wrapping up a less-than-stellar senior season, Sullinger hadn't shown much progress between his freshman and sophmore campaigns, and Amir Williams had shown nothing. Shannon Scott, Ross, and Thompson were pretty much wasting away on the bench. The team was not meeting expectations, falling well short of their pre-season ranking. For whatever reason, we struggled on the Sunday national TV games last season as well.
Matta was able to turn things around. The team rallied at the end of the BIG regular season, made it to the BIG tourney championship game and the Final Four. Although Buford never really got completely on track, Craft and DT picked it up. Williams and Ravenel did a nice job spelling Sullinger when he got into foul trouble or needed a rest. Smith Jr. played great defense and hit some key shots.
The way to turn it around down the stretch is to pick things back up defensively and I believe this this team can achieve that whether it be through "soul searching" or just putting the foot on the gas peddle. I'm frankly more concerned about the offense. I believe Matta needs to make the bold move of giving the keys to the ignition to Shannon Scott and move Craft to the two-spot. We need Scott to push the ball and increase the opportunities for fast break and transition baskets. Scott is faster with the ball and a better passer than Craft, but the two compliment eachother very well.
If we just improve the defensive effort, without tweaks to the offense, this team will probably cap out in the Sweet 16 at best. With tweaks to the offense, I see another Final Four as achievable. Once you make it there, anything can happen.
Without improving defensive effort or tweaking the offense, we are in serious trouble and will probably not make it out of the first or second round. Our stock and seeding is taking a precipitous fall. Teams are going to be seeded based on how well they play on the road and in neutral settings. So far, we have been horrible. But again, we've got some big games left and the BIG tournament, so there is plenty of time left on the clock. I'm pretty optimistic that Matta is going to be able to get the improved defensive effort and get his team's minds right. He has shown the ability to do this. Unfortunately, I don't have confidence that he will (or can) adjust offensively. Making the right substitions and in-game adjustments is not his stong suit, it's just not in his coaching make-up.
The identity of Matta-coached teams is that we will beat you with strong man-to-man half-court defense. Very seldom do we ever see full court pressure or any type of zone. While he is very good at coaching up half-court defense, Matta always allows the opponent to dictate the tempo of the game and style of play on the offensive end. In other words, if the man-to-man defense falters in any way or if an opponent gets hot and becomes indefensible, we are going down, probably going down hard like we did against Wisconsin. The Scott-Craft combo can change this equation, but I don't see it happening.
The truth is that our half court offense has been shaky since we lost Diebler, as you pretty much have to have a 3-point marksman to be able to put points up in the college game. When we had Diebler, well-coached teams would beat us by taking him out of the game like the fatal Kentucky knock out. Now, all we really have is DT in the half-court offense. We are back to the same old, same old, about finding other scorers. We have had this discussion over and over and it's going nowhere. Matta needs to amend his formula if he has any chance at making a run or a championship.
JAG......I have been preaching the Scott to point Craft to two guard most of the year. I completely agree. Shannon is MUCH more gifted at creating for others and improving the flow of the offense. The only issue is he needs to get better at finishing around teh basket as well has his mid range jump shot. However, so does Craft so I would rather have a quick as shit point guard who can penetrate and create run the show vs. Craft.
Craft should be focused on being the shut down defender that he is and moving to the two guard will allow him to hopefully gain some more confidence in his jumper. He HAS the ability to make them....he has done it in the previouis two years.
We still need to play 40 min of "bring you hell" defense because our offense has proven to feed off of that energy.
I do not forsee matta handing of the keys just yet to Shannon but i would honestly be very surprised if Shannon is not the starting point guard next year. Scott, Craft, LSJ, Ross, and Amir (ugh), or even Trey McDonald. We coudl also go with a smaller lineup and start Thompson and just be an in your face defensive nightmare and play more up tempo....
Yeah, I'm gonna stick to my original statement.
Minnesota shot 29% and committed 24 turnovers. 25% of those turnovers directly attributed to Craft & Scott, I's say another 25-50% of them indirectly related to the pressure they bring.
Combined stat line from Craft and Scott - 50% from the field, 4 rebounds, 9 assists, 6 steals, 4 turnovers, 17 points. Pretty impressive. When this team plays its best basketball, these guys are in the game together. When it is at its worst, Scott is usually buried on the bench.
I hope Matta doesn't waiver again and get away from the Craft-Scott formula on Sunday, as it is going to give our best chance at taking down MSU.
Much better performance defensively. Craft was positively amazing defensively and so was Scott. I can watch highlights of #4 all day long. Still very disappointed in the scoring end from Thompson and LSJ. Ross really needs to improve his ball handling skills.
Viva Della Villa!!!! Gotta love watching this kid the few minutes he gets in.
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I don't really need to see Lenzelle that much any more. Hard worker...just no skills.
It's all about Scott. His speed on offense and disruption on defense are fantastic.
Lenzelle hasn't really improved much since last season, but I still think he has alot to offer. He plays excellent defense, rebounds, and can drive pretty well. He occassionally can get hot and hit some big shots. He might be better coming off the bench as a 6th man, an energy or impact player.
Yup....I think bench energy guy is his true role.
Lenzelle is over-due. Maybe he breaks out for a big game on Sunday and you can eat some crow.
Lenzelle Smith shoots good versus the bad to mediocre teams and shoots the ball poorly versus the good teams. LSJ needs to come off the bench. Scott-Craft duo works when one or both of them are hitting their shots. Most times neither player shoots the ball very well so it is a disadvantage. The two play great together on defense but they aren't that great on offense. There are some teams where you need to play these two guards together like (Michigan, Minnesota and Indiana). MSU is a different animal and you have to have use either LSJ, Ross or ADV. LSJ is a decent rebounding guard, Ross is a streak shooter who needs to be set up and he needs to attack the rim for offensive putbacks. Look at the second Michigan game. ADV needs to shoot perimeter shots to free up the post and spread MSU on the court.
Not eating crow. Less Lenzelle equals better OSU play. Even Matta is starting to recognize.
Much better team effort. I'm getting frustrated of Amir Williams' inability to catch a pass cleanly. He needs to make a huge leap next season.
Sure was nice to see Craft make his layups.
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