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I think it's time for Ross to start over Thompson at this point.
This team can't rely on just Thomas to score.
Ross can spread the floor better, and quite honestly, after the last few games, Ross is showing he can play (I wasn't sold on him before Michigan game) defense as well as help rebound. I just don't see Thompson's defense as outstanding enough to warrant him as an offensive liability. Thompson is an offensive liability right now. Seems to me 90% of the time, Craft throws it to him, he doesn't look to do anything but kick it back - I'm not even sure what this purpose is.
Thompson excels in the fast break scenarios, but when we play Big 10 or top teams, we don't get that luxury near as much - and I think Ross will do just fine in this situation.
Very good points I tend to agree with. Thompson has not turned into the offensive weapon Matta was hoping for but a good ball player. Smith for being a shooting guard certainly isn't living up to that roll either. Maybe it's time to shake up the starting lineup once again. I'm still not sold on Amir Williams and wouldn't mind seeing a little more of Trey Macdonald.
Williams may get better, we know what Ravenal can do, TM should get more minutes and they should come from Ravenal's time. You could even try TM, Thomas, Williams, Ross and a PG.
That would never work I mean 1 ball handler out there at a time is't enough. Q has ok handles but he isn't a 2 he's 6'8" and would get killed by a quick Sg on defense. Sorry i just don't c it that lineup would be so slow and bad in transition defense.
Everybody wants more Ross which if fine but they need to find more minutes for a pure shooter too. This team lacks 3 things in my opinion u have to have for a tourney run.
1) Throw it down in the post guy and get a bucket (Deshaun but in the tourney length probably gets him)
2) Quick quard who will create for himself and not just others
3) Shooter who runs the defense to death and shoots 3's ala Diebs(Della Vala?)
Agreed. The starting five should be:
Craft, Scott, Ross, Thomas, & Williams.
Smith Jr. should sub for Craft or Scott. Smith Jr. is the type of player that can bring great energy off the bench.
Thompson should sub for Ross or Thomas. If Ross is struggling offensively, get Thompson in early.
Ravenel should sub for Williams. Foul trouble is going to make these guys interchangeable.
But I'm not so worried about who starts as I am on minutes distribution. Of the 200 total minutes, a distribution that would be most effective in my opinion:
Craft - 32.5
Scott - 25
Smith Jr. - 25
Ross - 25
DT - 32.5
Thompson - 20
Williams - 20
Rav - 20
This is the winning formula - the key being Craft & Scott on the floor together (not as an afterthought where Scott is given 13 minutes per game, but as our main strategy to pressure the ball and deny passing lanes in the backcourt to disrupt the offensive rythm of the opponent and create more fast break and transition opportunities for us) - and if Matta moves in this direction, this team still has the potential to get to another final four. Otherwise, we are probably not going to make it beyond the sweet 16. I can see us (with an exhausted Craft and Thomas) gasping for air after playing the full 40 minutes trying to scramble and hit a last second desparation shot to beat a good team.
It's too late in the season to try and insert Della Valle or McDonald and expect them to make much of a contribution.
I agree with everything you said except the last sentence. As to that I would say - Why?
Pretty interesting thoughts except I would have DT in for 38. You just can't take him out, you will lose too much. It is difficult to not like the Craft Scott combo that you speak so highly of. It is a defensive terror. I also agree with your last sentence. I really don't think Delle Valle (I don't know how to spell.) is quite a good enough athlete to hang with the big ten guys defensively. McDonald.... Eeehhhh.
With only a 6 or so games left until NCAA's, I just think it will be hard to tweak the 8-man rotation and work out any bugs.
Nothing against either player...I like what I saw early from Della Valle and I think McDonald has looked good in spots, hoping to see more of these guys next season.
What matters who starts? As long as he gets his minutes, starting means nothing just that your on the floor when the game starts. LOL you sound like some Bitty league dad wanting his kid to start because it means he gets his name announced before the game!
Scott and Craft can't be on the floor together,they are too small it creates a huge mismatch on defense.
Goal is to create mismatches for the opposition. A proactive gameplan. While you may lose a few inches in height, but you make up for it in many other ways with quickness, faster hands and lateral movement on defense. In other words, I'll take a 6'2" defender up in a players grill as opposed to to a 6'6" guy who has to defend a few feet back so he doesn't get beat to the bucket. Both Craft and Scott are good rebounders and are strong enough to fight through screens.
Benefits on offense are obvious, more fast break and transition opportunities (as opposed to half court sets) and better ball movement in the half court.
your going to take Smith of the floor a guy who is prob as good or better defensively than Scott, Can score but is streaky and player, Scott a guy who can only score on layups??
Reasoning is out the window.
I agree Ross should play more is getting better. Scott is a back up PG and pretty raw at this point.
If you think Smith isn't a good defender, you know nothing about this team.
craft and scott on the floor together mean zip shooting from the guard position. can't have two guys that short that they lay off by 10 feet, unless the other team sucks and can be turned over lots
at least teams think about guarding smith, making it a little easier for thomas
This post was edited by ohiodaytol 14 months ago
Grow up ? - Hell, I'm 43 years old :) And I'm a bitty league dad too! Best part of life son.
That said, he was 1-7 tonight and Thompson was 5-8 :)
I think you have a point, not sure why you have to be an asshole about it - but ok - your right, if he comes off the bench and gets his head out of his ass he might someday be a ballplayer
I was rooting for Ross to be the starter this year last year. It's time to just test it out because there's nothing to lose
Because i coach HS kids and if you had any idea how many times,i get to hear a parent or relative mad because their kid isn't "STARTING". Havlicek was the 6th man of the year every year he played in Boston and played more and scored more points than most starters.
Ross, Delle Valle, Williams, McDonlad will all get better but if you look at them they need serious weight room time and need to put effort into their game. McDonlad and Delle Velle look to be real prospects who work to get better and have great upsides. Ross is a raw talented player who it appears relies on his talent to get him minutes. Williams is a mystery.
Guys like Ross can go several ways they can rely on talent and be an average college player, they can work and be a pro maybe and a good college player or they can cause trouble and disrupt a team.
Never judge a player's on shooting in one game, also most coaches have rotations and after the 1st one usually go with the player who is having the best game. The analysis on Buckuts is very Biddy League!!
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