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MSU or Indiana will win the Big Ten!

  • Let's face facts here! MSU and IU have more desire, mental toughness and heart to win this year than the Buckeyes. Buckeyes haven't been hungry since they beat Duke! Ohio State has the most talent on the basketball court night in and night out in this conference but this year's team doesn't have mental toughness and desire that it takes to win on the road. Beating Iowa is great but it's Iowa. MSU destroyed Iowa. Enough said Iowa is a really bad team! MSU and Izzo and even Crean kids are tougher than Ohio State kids. I can see the desire, hunger and toughness from their Izzo's and Crean's players eyes. I like this Buckeye team but last year was the year to win it all. This current Buckeye team has no leadership and Buford is a decent player but not a Turner type of player who loves it during clutch time. Matt Sylvester performed better in clutch time than Buford ever will in his Buckeye career. This Buckeye team plays like little boys coming out of high school. This Buckeye team will be lucky to get out of the first round. I hate Izzo and Crean but it's Michigan State, Indiana for the one and two spot and Ohio State tied for third place along with Michigan and Illinois in the Big Ten. OSU should win but it takes more than talent than either team to win a conference title

    This post was edited by buckibball4ever on 1/10/2012 at 10:42 PM

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  • buckibball4ever said...

    Let's face facts here! MSU and IU have more desire, mental toughness and heart to win this year than the Buckeyes. Buckeyes haven't been hungry since they beat Duke! Ohio State has the most talent on the basketball court night in and night out in this conference but this year's team doesn't have mental toughness and desire that it takes to win on the road. Beating Iowa is great but it's Iowa. MSU destroyed Iowa. Enough said Iowa is a really bad team! MSU and Izzo and even Crean kids are tougher than Ohio State kids. I can see the desire, hunger and toughness from their Izzo's and Crean's players eyes. I like this Buckeye team but last year was the year to win it all. This current Buckeye team has no leadership and Buford is a decent player but not a Turner type of player who loves it during clutch time. Matt Sylvester performed better in clutch time than Buford ever will in his Buckeye career. This Buckeye team plays like little boys coming out of high school. This Buckeye team will be lucky to get out of the first round. I hate Izzo and Crean but it's Michigan State, Indiana for the one and two spot and Ohio State tied for third place along with Michigan and Illinois in the Big Ten. OSU should win but it takes more than talent than either team to win a conference title

    For the most part I agree. We have the most talented roster in the B1G but we lack both mental and physical toughness. Based on talent alone what team puts a trio on the floor like Sully, Thomas and Buford. None. For OSU it's all between the ears. They need to come out and play with passion, heart and toughness for 40 minutes. If they do that then winning and losing will take care of itself. They play for the most part in spurts....3 or 4 minutes here or there. Matta needs to do something to get this teams attention. Not sure what but right now they have not played as hard as their opponents in their losses. Now those were road games and the home team will get an emotional boost from the crowd. This is where the toughness comes in to play and we just seem to have guys that shrink into the background at crunch time or make big mistakes. I really thought with Sully coming back that he would have a chip on his shoulder and lead this team to the final four. I also thought Buford's terrible performance against UK would motivate him to work on the mental part of his game and just be stronger with the ball and a Senior leader. So far that has not happened. We saw a glimpse of it in the Duke game but sadly we don't have the leadership or the coaching right now to sustain the type of 40 minutes of play needed to win on the road against a quality opponent.

    This post was edited by shep777 on 1/10/2012 at 11:16 PM

    shep777

  • Wow, you're spouting so much BS I don't even know how to respond. Wait until Indiana comes to OSU this weekend before you really make such ridiculous claims. The Big Ten is very tough on the road as we all know, and OSU is still the most talented team in the conference. Michigan State will slip up, as will Indiana, as will everyone in the conference. Saying this team has no heart is a crock of shit and you and I both know it. This us a determined team in the best conference in the country, and it isn't even a question.

    Next time reread what you're writing before you post it because there's a lot of nonsense there. We'll crush IU this weekend and we will crush UI when they come. A fluke 43 point game by a 12 point average scorer is not going to be enough for me to give up on this team as you have, halfway through the season.

    dcbucki47225

  • dcbuck-i said...

    Wow, you're spouting so much BS I don't even know how to respond. Wait until Indiana comes to OSU this weekend before you really make such ridiculous claims. The Big Ten is very tough on the road as we all know, and OSU is still the most talented team in the conference. Michigan State will slip up, as will Indiana, as will everyone in the conference. Saying this team has no heart is a crock of shit and you and I both know it. This us a determined team in the best conference in the country, and it isn't even a question.

    Next time reread what you're writing before you post it because there's a lot of nonsense there. We'll crush IU this weekend and we will crush UI when they come. A fluke 43 point game by a 12 point average scorer is not going to be enough for me to give up on this team as you have, halfway through the season.

    Not sure anyone has given up on this team. I just don't think that we are currently playing at a level that would suggest a deep run in the tourney. I really don't care about the B1G. I would like a run to the final four and yes, cutting down the nets in April. There's a long way to go and plenty of time to correct whatever mistakes are being made. I do question the toughness of this team. Sully gets to the line his fair share of times but the rest of the team is soft taking the ball to the rim. Buford does his best to avoid contact. Get to the free throw line damn it. I know Will is not a high riser and is not a super athlete but he can get himself to the free throw line at least 5 or 6 times a game. No attempts in the game tonight and only 1 against Iowa and that was a technical foul shoot. No excuse for that from a wing player. He needs to step up and be a Senior leader for this team to go where we want them to. 3 losses is no big deal. My guess is we go 13-5 in the B1G with road losses at Sparty, scUM and Wisky. A 3 seed in the tourney and from there we will see. If they play in tourney like they played tonight and at IU I see a round of 16 exit. All is not lost and there is time to right the ship and it needs to start Sunday against IU.

    shep777

  • Gotta win the tough ones on the road to be considered cream of the crop; Buckeyes just aren't doing that and to unranked teams. A # 5 team in the country still shouldn't get beat even a 12 point scorer who happens to drop 50 on you that night. Great teams over come that stuff and win regardless.
    Buckeyes are a good team but far from great.

    Trackdad

  • This team has no menatal toughness at all but Sully. they think they can walk on the court and people will fold. Lesser teams do but a team with somewhat close talent hang with them and OSU doesnt have a true leader to lean on. Buford isnt for sure. He is lazy and takes way too many sets off as does Thomas (defensively). OSU is a good team but definitely not a top 5 team probably more a top 20 team. We have till March to get better.

    buckeye2006

  • I haven't seen this type of play from these Buckeyes before. It is all to reminiscent of the OSU-Wisconsin football game last year. Matta has to be more in tune with his bench. IMO Aaron Craft is extremely overrated. don't get me wrong, i love his tenacity on defense but in big games he makes a lot of mistakes, a lot. He has some decent games on offense but overall he leaves a lot to be desired. Paul seemed to get in W Bufords' head last night. perhaps im just extremely frustrated by the lack of intensity. There was one play late in the game where we came out of a time out and couldn't get the ball in bounded because people didn't know what they were supposed to do! Thats crazy! Hopefully they'll get it together sooner rather than later.

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  • If the opposing team shoots 60% from the field and 61% from three point range, you're going to get beat. It doesn't matter who you're playing.

    Not to mention, Paul's last three over Craft was rediculous. He threw it up with a hand in his face and still made it. It just wasn't our night.

    As far as the IU game, if it weren't for the officiating in that game, we would have beaten the Hoosiers by at least 10.

    These tough games and a few losses are only going to be good for this team (see UCONN last year). This will help them get better in the long run.

    Inxsbuck1

  • It is apparent that we SORELY MISS the senior leadership from Lighty, Deibler, and the tall guy that I cannot remember his name!??....Buford has not stepped up to the challenge this year and has taken a back seat as a leader as well as a factor in the game as a whole.

    I thought they learned their lesson against IU but they will have their work cut out for them to have a chance to win the B1G let alone make any kind of run in the NCAA tourney.....

    Again Matta has reverted to playing 6 guys 99.9% of the minutes.......Craft played all 40 Buford 37, Sully 38.

    Buford is playing like a freshman.......poor shot selection, poor decisions, no leadership from him whatsoever.

    The IU game is pivotal to the rest of our season....we win that game and hopefully gain some confidence to move forward because after Nebraska and PSU the schedule will be tough (Michigan, @ Wisky, Purdue, Sparty, Minn (eh), at Michigan, Illinois again @ Sparty....

    We play like we did last night we could be looking at another 3-4 losses in B1G play.

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    bcroft

  • bcroft said...

    It is apparent that we SORELY MISS the senior leadership from Lighty, Deibler, and the tall guy that I cannot remember his name!??....Buford has not stepped up to the challenge this year and has taken a back seat as a leader as well as a factor in the game as a whole.

    I thought they learned their lesson against IU but they will have their work cut out for them to have a chance to win the B1G let alone make any kind of run in the NCAA tourney.....

    Again Matta has reverted to playing 6 guys 99.9% of the minutes.......Craft played all 40 Buford 37, Sully 38.

    Buford is playing like a freshman.......poor shot selection, poor decisions, no leadership from him whatsoever.

    The IU game is pivotal to the rest of our season....we win that game and hopefully gain some confidence to move forward because after Nebraska and PSU the schedule will be tough (Michigan, @ Wisky, Purdue, Sparty, Minn (eh), at Michigan, Illinois again @ Sparty....

    We play like we did last night we could be looking at another 3-4 losses in B1G play.

    +1 On this post. I agree with this but I would like to add something. The problem I see is the obvious lack of outside shooting from the guards. Indiana and Illinois both saw that in the second half that they could collapse on Sullinger and not be punished by our guards because they can't shoot. All I heard was how Craft has improved his outside shooting but I haven't seen it yet. I love Craft and Smith but the fact is they can't shoot.

    Briang

  • I agree, I think there is something missing from this team and I am not sure what it is. Maybe it is someone like Diebler...a pure outside shooter. Maybe there is too much focus on Sullinger....not sure but something just does not feel right. Maybe it is just plain desire/hunger.

    I do feel like Sullinger needs to feed the shooters more when he is covered....he sometimes tries to do everything.

    I am not sure what is going on with Bufford...he just seems out of sync.

    I do not see us winning the Big Ten and maybe that would be a good thing....we need to go into the tourney hungry!

    buckeyeinwv

  • buckeyeinwv said...

    I agree, I think there is something missing from this team and I am not sure what it is. Maybe it is someone like Diebler...a pure outside shooter. Maybe there is too much focus on Sullinger....not sure but something just does not feel right. Maybe it is just plain desire/hunger.

    I do feel like Sullinger needs to feed the shooters more when he is covered....he sometimes tries to do everything.

    I am not sure what is going on with Bufford...he just seems out of sync.

    I do not see us winning the Big Ten and maybe that would be a good thing....we need to go into the tourney hungry!

    i can't see us as the most talented team in the conference at all. we have three good ball players, two of whom are playing very poorly right now and the other is not the dominating presence he was because the other two aren't contributing from the outside. the rest of the team are role player types who are not good enough or not confident enough to step in and assert themselves. add in matta's inability to work these other guys in to get them some game experience and some confidence and you will wind up with a tired, worn down team by tournament time.
    althugh buford is supposedly the main outside threat, i would like to see craft shoot more from the outside because he has the ball most of the time. if he could make the defenses play him more honestly he would be able to distribute the ball inside more to sully or even back over to buford. if they overplayed him outside it would also make it easier for him to use his quickness to get by them on a drive for a layup or a dish to someone else down low.

    bongturk

  • This team is talented but they definitely haven't played well in some of the big road games. Some people were saying that the team was focused after losing to IU bc osu killed Nebraska and Iowa. Don't get me wrong, I love that we stomped those teams, but Nebraska and Iowa suck. I'd like to see us beat some good teams on the road. Until we do that, I don't think we have a shot to make it deep in the tourny.

    gatorman13

  • We have the most talented team in the BIG, but Matta has much of the talent wasting away on the bench. If this doesn't change by tournament time, I'm seeing Sweet 16 as a cap for this team. This is unfortunate because I think we are legit Final Four relative to the competition.

    I think we beat Indiana & Illinois in the Schott, but Michigan State looks like the best overall team in the BIG. Maybe we will win the BIG tournament.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    We have the most talented team in the BIG, but Matta has much of the talent wasting away on the bench. If this doesn't change by tournament time, I'm seeing Sweet 16 as a cap for this team. This is unfortunate because I think we are legit Final Four relative to the competition.

    I think we beat Indiana & Illinois in the Schott, but Michigan State looks like the best overall team in the BIG. Maybe we will win the BIG tournament.

    This team could definitely lose in the Sweet 16, but is just as likely to go to the Final Four. They certainly aren't any worse than UConn, Butler and VCU were last year.

    I have already written off the Kansas loss. We definitely aren't good without Sully. That leaves two losses, both of which could have been wins with a few different plays. Great teams usually find ways to win those games, but not always.

    I still don't know what talent is wasting on the bench. I haven't seen anything from the bench to make me think they are better than our starters. The only change I could see would be taking about 5 minutes a game from Buford, but why not try to let him play through his slump so he is firing on all cylinders in March? We need a real perimeter shooting threat, and nobody on the bench has shown the ability to fill that role. I think we could use a shot blocker as well, but Amir is not good enough to justify taking minutes from Sully. Scott had one good game against a lousy Iowa team, otherwise he hasn't really shown much.

    No way Indiana wins the Big 10. MSU, yeah, but at worst I see OSU finishing second in the league. The race could easily come down to that last game @ MSU.

    This post was edited by highlandbuck on 1/12/2012 at 12:35 PM

    highlandbuck

  • At this point in the season, we are 15-3... 3 losses... 1 loss was to a decent Top 25 Kansas team without Sullinger and we still had a chance to WIN! The Indiana game was a loss because the men in black and white called the most lopsided game against us that I've ever seen. The Illinois game was just a player having his night where even if he chucked it up from the toilet in the locker room, it would go in.

    We blew out a Top 10 team in Duke and beat Florida quite handily. I think the fact that Sullinger was dealing with injuries in December affected the rhythm and timing of our team. They are slowly getting back into form. We are still undefeated at home and that's important. Defend our home turf.

    Everyone in the nation has stated that the BIG 10 is the best conference this season. If we beat IU Sunday, we could potentially have 4 teams ranked in the Top 10 next week when rankings come out - Michigan State, Ohio State, Indiana and M*chigan. What other conference can boast that?

    At the end of the day, I think that this team will come together and the tough losses in such a short period of time can be a blessing in disguise for the stretch run... Sullinger needs to step up as the leader of this team and assert himself. Let the offense flow through him and Deshaun. If those 2 can combine to score 40 to 50 a night... it takes pressure off Buford, Craft and others to be scorers... especially Buford.. if he plays with no pressure or burden, maybe he will be just fine. Gotta stick with what works - Sullinger down low on the post and Thomas doing his thing "microwave"

    Just have faith that the Buckeyes will right the ship... It's just going to take some creative lineup adjustments for Matta at key points in the game to ensure that if we have a lead, we keep our foot on the pedal and not let up.

    Let's go out and throttle IU... just like we did to Purdont and Deal With It Wiscy last year... Urban will be in the house and the fans will be jacked up!

    O-H!

    BrownBuck82

  • buckibball4ever said...

    Let's face facts here! MSU and IU have more desire, mental toughness and heart to win this year than the Buckeyes. Buckeyes haven't been hungry since they beat Duke! Ohio State has the most talent on the basketball court night in and night out in this conference but this year's team doesn't have mental toughness and desire that it takes to win on the road. Beating Iowa is great but it's Iowa. MSU destroyed Iowa. Enough said Iowa is a really bad team! MSU and Izzo and even Crean kids are tougher than Ohio State kids. I can see the desire, hunger and toughness from their Izzo's and Crean's players eyes. I like this Buckeye team but last year was the year to win it all. This current Buckeye team has no leadership and Buford is a decent player but not a Turner type of player who loves it during clutch time. Matt Sylvester performed better in clutch time than Buford ever will in his Buckeye career. This Buckeye team plays like little boys coming out of high school. This Buckeye team will be lucky to get out of the first round. I hate Izzo and Crean but it's Michigan State, Indiana for the one and two spot and Ohio State tied for third place along with Michigan and Illinois in the Big Ten. OSU should win but it takes more than talent than either team to win a conference title

    the desire, mental toughness and heart wasn't working tonight against the Gophers at home for IU......that and the refs didn't call 42 fouls......77-74, THE SOTA's first conference win of the season, the CREANS kids didn't have it in their EYES TONIGHT>>>>>>

    minsterbuckeye

  • MSU may have the desire, but not the talent.

    GO BUCKS!!!!!

    Space Buckin

  • It must raining cats and dogs where you live as your a bit negative here, don't you think? The BIG is not even half over yet and we are so young. Not time to panic yet, this IU game will be interesting since they have seen them once and how hungry they come out of the gate and keep their feet on IU's throats.

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    buckfanoutwest

  • MSU and scum just lost tonight so now the race in the Big 10 got a little more interesting

    BrownBuck82

  • Bad day in Big Rock for the scUm State!

    Bigjimmie

  • Space Buckin said...

    MSU may have the desire, but not the talent.

    GO BUCKS!!!!!

    Have you even watched them play? They look pretty talented to me. I would take their inside game over ours in a heartbeat. We have Sully, Ravanell, and Williams inside and that is it. None of them can guard anyone and Sully is the only one with any offense. I dont care what we have on the perimeter, basketball is won by controlling the paint on both ends. We dont control the paint unless we are playing North Carolina A&T.

    fritz_jones

  • Lot of upsets today that helped us out. Tomorrow's game will show us a lot more in what to expect from here on out from the Buckeyes. If we win tomorrow, we should be able to get to 7-2 going into the game at Wiscy.

    Ace

  • Buford is this supposed great senior leader and hasn't done anything since Northwestern. Buford is not a player who puts the game on his shoulders during clutch time. Matt Sylvester made two clutch shots against LSU and Illinois when they were #1 several years ago! Buford had never done this in his career. I am right for the most part. OSU should beat IU at home. There is no leadership on this current team! How am I wrong about the road victories and what it takes to win on the road? 2-3 on the road is not something to brag about here people. OSU beat Iowa and South Carolina. Matta didn't make any adjustments on Paul. His adjustment is to switch defenders on him big whoop! Change up the defensive schemes. He still scored 43 points. Sullinger admitted he quit playing defense in a recent Cleveland Plain Dealer article versus Illinois. The only two players who come to play most games are Sullinger and Craft. Maybe if everyone would stop standing, staring and watching Craft dribble during the last minutes of the game and want the ball to create some offense.

    buckibball4ever

  • IU refs weren't working like the OSU game versus the Gophers. IU guys don't give up for the most part. OSU needs to win on the road and beating Iowa and South Carolina is good but not great wins. OSU wants to win the Big Ten, they have to win on the road that's my point!

    buckibball4ever