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Thad Matta...UGH!!!

  • Matta reminds me so much of John Cooper, he can get the talent...they can win some big games, but he really hasn't shown the ability to call good games down the stretch and lacks the ability to use players in a good rotating manner. Good talent remains on the bench. Ohio State plays down to opposing teams. Either Matta gets his act together as a leader or let's get someone in that can make things happen.

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    NavyMAN

  • I agree about BUT 0-9 is a killer for3's. Come on guys we are better than that...Buford is the key to the 2nd half..has to show -up......and for Heaven sake get the ball to Sully...

    Bigjimmie

  • We have had too many games where our outside game is lacking with the current player rotation. I don't think it's a matter of not having trust in your players...it's about coaching and winning games. Players must me made to understand that unless they bring it like Sully and Craft that they will be subbed for someone who IS going to bring it.

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    NavyMAN

  • Thomas is the only player who has shown up tonight. Without him we are down 20.
    Thad never adjusts. He just keeps doing the same thing and hopes it starts working.
    same players, same plays,etc..

    VillBuckeye

  • NavyMAN said...

    Matta reminds me so much of John Cooper, he can get the talent...they can win some big games, but he really hasn't shown the ability to call good games down the stretch and lacks the ability to use players in a good rotating manner. Good talent remains on the bench. Ohio State plays down to opposing teams. Either Matta gets his act together as a leader or let's get someone in that can make things happen.

    Couldn't agree more with your post !! Pathetic ! banghead

    buckeyeinsaline

  • Matta reminds me so much of John Cooper, he can get the talent...they can win some big games, but he really hasn't shown the ability to call good games down the stretch and lacks the ability to use players in a good rotating manner. Good talent remains on the bench. Ohio State plays down to opposing teams. Either Matta gets his act together as a leader or let's get someone in t hat can make things happen. I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER.

    hammerbuck

  • So let me get this right, coaching in timouts a couple of times boils down to make shots guys, I will say it once again, like I have been since Matta took over, great recruiter and average on game day, his offensive system of one in four out and take any open three is total BS, and I have taken heat for years over it, but show me the evidence to the contrary.

    roxannereggie

  • Thad Matta is beginning to wet himself on the road. That team doesn't play well at all on the road. And that is on him. They aren't playing with the same intensity as they do at home. They play scared. And damnit Matta, use your freaking Bench. I'm sorry to say this but I have to. If OSU doesnt do well in the tournament, because right now it is looking like another sweet 16 upset with the way they are playing. Matta needs to be on the hot seat. Just to put a fire under his ass and tell him to start coaching instead of just letting his 6 best players play the entire game.

    If depth is an issue, then Matta needs to starting bringing in more top talent for that specific reason. Because they have no one coming in next year and that baffles me.

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  • NavyMAN said...

    We have had too many games where our outside game is lacking with the current player rotation. I don't think it's a matter of not having trust in your players...it's about coaching and winning games. Players must me made to understand that unless they bring it like Sully and Craft that they will be subbed for someone who IS going to bring it.

    I agree. If they aren't getting the job done, bring in someone who can or at least bring in someone to get that player to realize that if they aren't producing, someone else will get a chance. Just because you're a starter doesn't mean it gives you a license to stink up the joint and still expect to play 35 minutes because you're the starter. When that happens you get games like MSU and scUM. Matta better grow a pair, let these players know that if they aren't going to put forth some effort and play like a team then by golly he'll put someone in who will.

    jaxfloridabuck

  • roxannereggie said...

    So let me get this right, coaching in timouts a couple of times boils down to make shots guys, I will say it once again, like I have been since Matta took over, great recruiter and average on game day, his offensive system of one in four out and take any open three is total BS, and I have taken heat for years over it, but show me the evidence to the contrary.

    I think calling Matta an average gameday coach is being overly generous. He hasn't shown me anything that he actually does ANY coaching during games. None. Zero. Nada. He just sits back and watches them play like crap. He never takes a player out when they let an opposing player get an easy layup. He never takes anyone out for taking a really bad shot (that might get Buford to wake up). He never really does anything. About the only time he ever subs is when someone gets in foul trouble. If this is the best he can do with this team then maybe they should find someone else because when it comes to games, Matta is clueless.

    jaxfloridabuck

  • roxannereggie said...

    So let me get this right, coaching in timouts a couple of times boils down to make shots guys, I will say it once again, like I have been since Matta took over, great recruiter and average on game day, his offensive system of one in four out and take any open three is total BS, and I have taken heat for years over it, but show me the evidence to the contrary.

    You and I have been right for years but we catch grief from the "just look at the record" crowd.

    bukweat

  • bukweat said...

    You and I have been right for years but we catch grief from the "just look at the record" crowd.

    Get used to it. The homer crowd rode with Tressel til the very end and beyond, then ragged on Tressel's recruiting, passivity, conditioning, and discipline once Meyer was hired.

    For them, any form of criticism is tantamount to treason, even if it is just saying that Matta needs to try a different rotation or change up the defense from time to time.

    TimBucktoo

  • I am going to refrain from Matta bashing because basketball coaching is overrated anyway.
    The players have to shoot and defend and are responsible for the outcome not Matta.
    It is not like football where the head coach influences every play with their play calling and game planning.
    We should appreciate what Matta has done- built a top 10 program and has run a clean program where kids stay out of trouble and praise him for being a coach that treats his players well.

    But right now Matta has to recognize this team is faltering and he needs to change something.
    He has to see having Craft and Smith on the court for a lot of minutes is just worthless- neither can shoot and it causes an effect on Sullinger and Buford.
    The team is playing a way too slow tempo- last year they pushed the ball and got good looks.
    If Matta keeps the same lineup, same rotations then he needs some criticism.

    This post was edited by reality ron on 2/19/2012 at 9:18 AM

    reality ron

  • Let me ask the board a question. If you were a recruit, why would you come to OSU unless it's a given that you're going to start (Sullinger). His lack of rotating players means you'll probably not play a lick in your first two years. No kid is going to want to do that. If I was a player and I knew I could start at another comparable program but am going to sit the bench because Matta only plays seven guys I wouldn't even consider OSU. It puzzles me why he refuses to use his bench.

    jaxfloridabuck

  • jaxfloridabuck said...

    Let me ask the board a question. If you were a recruit, why would you come to OSU unless it's a given that you're going to start (Sullinger). His lack of rotating players means you'll probably not play a lick in your first two years. No kid is going to want to do that. If I was a player and I knew I could start at another comparable program but am going to sit the bench because Matta only plays seven guys I wouldn't even consider OSU. It puzzles me why he refuses to use his bench.

    I've been saying it for years! Thad is an overrated in game coach.

    How bout scouting or learning some new offensive sets! This offense is a joke...

    DBL B

  • Matta has no imagination and lacks the ability call the game by using personnel he has because he only uses 7 or 8 players. Sullinger was out and came back in and got burned because he was gimpy. I admire Jared's heart. Matta needs to get it together or else when the Football team win NC's he will be looking like crap...and at this point with as much as they are investing, he will be looking for a job!

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  • NavyMAN said...

    Matta has no imagination and lacks the ability call the game by using personnel he has because he only uses 7 or 8 players. Sullinger was out and came back in and got burned because he was gimpy. I admire Jared's heart. Matta needs to get it together or else when the Football team win NC's he will be looking like crap...and at this point with as much as they are investing, he will be looking for a job!

    he is a professional gum chewer

    robkellyfan

  • I'm another that has questioned Matta's ability to game coach. We actually have fans that believe he is hall of fame worthy....unbelievable. When faced with a well coached team with good talent Matta has come up on the short end more times that not in the past. He had Greg Oden in 2007. Oden erased a lot of coaching sins even playing with one hand behind his back. For me the Honeymoon is over for Matta. I think he should be given 3 years including this one to make it back to the Final Four and if he can't we need to look elsewhere. I realize that is reactionary and probably a major over reaction but I'm tire of watching Bo Ryan and guys like him beat him with half as much talent.

    shep777

  • shep777 said...

    I'm another that has questioned Matta's ability to game coach. We actually have fans that believe he is hall of fame worthy....unbelievable. When faced with a well coached team with good talent Matta has come up on the short end more times that not in the past. He had Greg Oden in 2007. Oden erased a lot of coaching sins even playing with one hand behind his back. For me the Honeymoon is over for Matta. I think he should be given 3 years including this one to make it back to the Final Four and if he can't we need to look elsewhere. I realize that is reactionary and probably a major over reaction but I'm tire of watching Bo Ryan and guys like him beat him with half as much talent.

    Matta won't be going anywhere........i may not like how he coaches on game day, but you don't get rid of a guy who wins 80% of his games.

    odan rot

  • reality ron said...

    But right now Matta has to recognize this team is faltering and he needs to change something. He has to see having Craft and Smith on the court for a lot of minutes is just worthless- neither can shoot and it causes an effect on Sullinger and Buford. The team is playing a way too slow tempo- last year they pushed the ball and got good looks. If Matta keeps the same lineup, same rotations then he needs some criticism.

    Excellent point ron....and it really is no better when Scott and Craft are together. Craft shot the ball better today but on the whole we are giving up way too much offense from the 1 and 2 positions and for Matta to not see this is troubling. I would rather see Buford slide to the 2, Thomas the 3 and play Sully with a combination of Ravenel, Williams (very few minutes) and Ross, yes I said it Ross. I know this is not a great lineup either but changes were in order. This late in the season however he will not do anything. At this point Matta is just going to chew some more gum and hope to catch lightening in a bottle the next 3 or so weeks.

    shep777

  • odan rot said...

    Matta won't be going anywhere........i may not like how he coaches on game day, but you don't get rid of a guy who wins 80% of his games.

    So whats the answer....are we happy to be relevant but have no real shot at winning a national title with Matta on game day? If that's the case so be it but I can't invest any more emotion in this. I'm getting too old.

    shep777

  • Yeah we should go back to the days when we had no talent and finished in the middle of the B1G every year. I'm getting tired of winning the conference every year anyway.

    MrTbuck

  • MrTbuck said...

    Yeah we should go back to the days when we had no talent and finished in the middle of the B1G every year. I'm getting tired of winning the conference every year anyway.

    Don't care about winning the B1G. Nobody remembers who won any conferences. It's been 12 years since a B1G team has won the national title so winning the B1G is not like winning the Big East or ACC. Who won the Big East last year by the way? Who won the national title last year? Conference titles mean nothing.

    shep777

  • reality ron said...

    I am going to refrain from Matta bashing because basketball coaching is overrated anyway. The players have to shoot and defend and are responsible for the outcome not Matta. It is not like football where the head coach influences every play with their play calling and game planning. We should appreciate what Matta has done- built a top 10 program and has run a clean program where kids stay out of trouble and praise him for being a coach that treats his players well.

    But right now Matta has to recognize this team is faltering and he needs to change something. He has to see having Craft and Smith on the court for a lot of minutes is just worthless- neither can shoot and it causes an effect on Sullinger and Buford. The team is playing a way too slow tempo- last year they pushed the ball and got good looks. If Matta keeps the same lineup, same rotations then he needs some criticism.

    The problem....nobody can shoot. Four players had 59 of 60 points today. Foul shooting was awful. One starter didnt score and the bench took two FG attempts. Agree something has to change but its too late in the year to get other players to suddenly become effective. Havent seen any bench player step up all year.

    jrcraig

  • I think there is enough time to put in an up tempo trapping line up say: Craft Buford Thompson Williams Thomas, or even Witherspoon and go complete up tempo on both ends. in fact I would make it a 3/4 court trap and push on the offensive side, and would not argue if you wanted to replace Craft with Scott. Play that way from the 12 to 8 minute tv to's.

    roxannereggie