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JAG24 said...
Terrible post, among the worst and most short-sighted I have ever seen. You are extremely negative and grossly over-reacting to a couple games.
I'm certain that Sullinger will bounce back for us and that he will be an effective pro player. Most NBA teams run a plodding, half-court style of offense with alot of isolation. Sullinger knows how to use his body effectively like Kevin Love or Zack Randolf. You don't need to be able to jump out of the gym to be good in the post, either offensively or defensely, it's all about getting position.
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odan rot said...
No chance we beat Kansas or Duke.
If keep saying it, that Duke win by us this year was the biggest fluke of the college basketball season. Duke was coming back from their victory at the Hawaii tourney. I bet a big amount on OSU for that game and they covered with ease. No chance we beat Duke like that if they are rested and not coming back from traveling through 4 time zones.
The bigger question is does Sullinger order a double whopper or a big mac when he goes home tonight.
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shep777 said...
Jag, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The Sullinger-Hansborough comparison is spot on. You are glossing over Sully's athletic shortcomings. Can you play at the next level with his skill set? Certainly. But everyone in the Sully camp has to be concerned with his lack of athleticism. No explosiveness whatsoever. And to take it further, Hansborough is athletically challenge but a tireless and fearless worker. Lately Sully has shown a troubling lack of intestinal fortitude. In high school he was bigger and stronger than everyone else and a very skilled player. He could dominant. In college he is showing that he's no longer bigger and stronger and in fact is going up against better athletes. Because of his skill set and high BB IQ he is doing well but not as well as one would have thought. His next stop is the NBA where he will often be the worst athlete on the floor and they all have high BB IQ's in the NBA. Before the season I thought Sully would be a 17 and 8 type player at the next level. The way he is playing now he looks more like a 10 and 5 on a bad team.
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odan rot said...
No chance Sully is a 17-8 guy in the NBA.
He will be someonle like Big Baby Davis or a poor man's Hansbourough. He will have a tough time getting his shot in the NBA. PFS will be taller, longer, stronger and in better physical shape. Best thing for Sullinger would be to go into the draft, get picked at 20 or so and then spend the year in NBDL.
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shep777 said...
Jag, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The Sullinger-Hansborough comparison is spot on. You are glossing over Sully's athletic shortcomings. Can you play at the next level with his skill set? Certainly. But everyone in the Sully camp has to be concerned with his lack of athleticism. No explosiveness whatsoever. And to take it further, Hansborough is athletically challenge but a tireless and fearless worker. Lately Sully has shown a troubling lack of intestinal fortitude. In high school he was bigger and stronger than everyone else and a very skilled player. He could dominant. In college he is showing that he's no longer bigger and stronger and in fact is going up against better athletes. Because of his skill set and high BB IQ he is doing well but not as well as one would have thought. His next stop is the NBA where he will often be the worst athlete on the floor and they all have high BB IQ's in the NBA. Before the season I thought Sully would be a 17 and 8 type player at the next level. The way he is playing now he looks more like a 10 and 5 on a bad team.
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JAG24 said...
I think you couldn't be more wrong on this topic. I'm surprised Shep, you BB IQ seems alot higher to me than some of the crowd you are agreeing with and I hate to see you join "the dark side" posters.
You are basically describing Hansborough and not Sullinger. Hansborough relied on size, strength and a hustle advantage over competition at lower levels, but he is also better athletically than Sullinger and much more explosive. Sullinger has relied on getting position, soft hands, shooting touch and has improved his passing at the college level (although he has stuggled in this area of late). I'm not an NBA expert, but in watching Zack Randolf on TV and a couple times in person, I see a great deal of Sullinger's game. Randolf can't really jump, relies on his backside to get position (he's extremely good at this), and has the soft hands.
Again, you don't need to jump out of the gym to play in the NBA or have great athleticism. It certainly doesn't hurt, but the NBA is about your skill set.
Sullinger has had a couple of bad games recently, there's no question, but you can't overlook all the double-doubles and many times in his 60 game career that he's led us to victory.
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JAG24 said...
Saying that NBA all stars or all time greats have off nights is a fact.
If you conclude Sullinger or Buford can't make it in the NBA based on a handful of sub par games over the last month, you are wrong.
For example, just because Sullinger missed a couple clutch free throws on Sunday, concluding that he can't hit free throws would be false. He's actually been pretty good at free throws over his two seasons. If, in turn, I said even Mark Price (former Cavalier's guard, among NBA's best all time free throw shooters) occassionally missed, I'm not really comparing Price to Sullinger as much as I am using Price to make a simple point. Frankly, I don't think it's that complicated.
I don't disagree that Randolf is more skilled than Sullinger is right now. Sullinger has alot of work to do to improve to Randolf's level, I believe he did make the all star team last year. I'm simply saying I see similarities in the style of play, skill set, and body type. Much more than I do with Hansborough.
I'm not claiming to be an NBA expert by any means, but I don't think I am going out on a limb to saying that more NBA experts would probably agree with my comparison to Randolf as opposed to Hansborough.
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JAG24 said...
I think you couldn't be more wrong on this topic. I'm surprised Shep, you BB IQ seems alot higher to me than some of the crowd you are agreeing with and I hate to see you join "the dark side" posters.
You are basically describing Hansborough and not Sullinger. Hansborough relied on size, strength and a hustle advantage over competition at lower levels, but he is also better athletically than Sullinger and much more explosive. Sullinger has relied on getting position, soft hands, shooting touch and has improved his passing at the college level (although he has stuggled in this area of late). I'm not an NBA expert, but in watching Zack Randolf on TV and a couple times in person, I see a great deal of Sullinger's game. Randolf can't really jump, relies on his backside to get position (he's extremely good at this), and has the soft hands.
Again, you don't need to jump out of the gym to play in the NBA or have great athleticism. It certainly doesn't hurt, but the NBA is about your skill set.
Sullinger has had a couple of bad games recently, there's no question, but you can't overlook all the double-doubles and many times in his 60 game career that he's led us to victory.
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