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This one is on Sully

  • if sullinger goes pro after this season i say good riddance. had he left after last season very understandable. im no nba scout, but sullinger is going to get clowned in the nba. he projects at a 4. can you imagine him trying to guard: blake griffin, dirk, tim duncan, kg, andy verajao, kevin love, hell even triston thompson! etc. these guys are going to absolutely embarrass him. imagine sully trying to score against serge ibaka. ibaka would literally break sully's nose from swatting the ball back in his face. if he leaves, good luck man, you need it.

    This post was edited by great2belucky on 2/26/2012 at 9:18 PM

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  • Terrible post, among the worst and most short-sighted I have ever seen. You are extremely negative and grossly over-reacting to a couple games.

    I'm certain that Sullinger will bounce back for us and that he will be an effective pro player. Most NBA teams run a plodding, half-court style of offense with alot of isolation. Sullinger knows how to use his body effectively like Kevin Love or Zack Randolf. You don't need to be able to jump out of the gym to be good in the post, either offensively or defensely, it's all about getting position.

    JAG24

  • dcbuck-i said...

    I'm pretty sure both our free throw shooting and Thomas' stupid-ass shot lost it for us. This isn't on Sully.

    Without Thomas`s 23 points,we aren`t even in the game.

    bukweat

  • JAG24 said...

    Terrible post, among the worst and most short-sighted I have ever seen. You are extremely negative and grossly over-reacting to a couple games.

    I'm certain that Sullinger will bounce back for us and that he will be an effective pro player. Most NBA teams run a plodding, half-court style of offense with alot of isolation. Sullinger knows how to use his body effectively like Kevin Love or Zack Randolf. You don't need to be able to jump out of the gym to be good in the post, either offensively or defensely, it's all about getting position.

    the fact you are comparing sullinger to randolph and love is sad. those two are so much more skilled, athletic and frankly better basketball players. sullingers best comparison for the nba is tyler hansborough

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  • great2belucky said...

    the fact you are comparing sullinger to randolph and love is sad. those two are so much more skilled, athletic and frankly better basketball players. sullingers best comparison for the nba is tyler hansborough

    Not true. Hansborough is an undersize center, Sullinger is a power forward. His body type and game is very similar to Randolf.

    JAG24

  • Razorback said...

    Sullinger sucked, but what lost the game was our inability to reliably shoot free throws.

    Good point. tOSU was 10 for 19 on free throws in the game. If they had made 14 of 19 free throws than they would have won the game. This team if they do not get it together will be 24-7 to end the regular season. Let's be honest though the only starters who returned from last year were Buford and Sullinger. Craft, Smith Jr., and Thomas were all bench players.

    Jake 23

  • odan rot said...

    No chance we beat Kansas or Duke.

    If keep saying it, that Duke win by us this year was the biggest fluke of the college basketball season. Duke was coming back from their victory at the Hawaii tourney. I bet a big amount on OSU for that game and they covered with ease. No chance we beat Duke like that if they are rested and not coming back from traveling through 4 time zones.

    The bigger question is does Sullinger order a double whopper or a big mac when he goes home tonight.

    Duke had six days off before the game with OSU. the whole time zone excuse is getting old. Coach K even said that they got whipped because they did not play well. This fan base needs to stop whining all of the time about every little thing.

    Jake 23

  • Jake 23 said...

    Duke had six days off before the game with OSU. the whole time zone excuse is getting old. Coach K even said that they got whipped because they did not play well. This fan base needs to stop whining all of the time about every little thing.

    every little thing? this is a yearly routine with this team. be more talented, but get the same results. every year matta develops no bench. the wisconsin defensive mindset was pathetic in both games. let a team who shoots 3's shoot 3's! good mindset. game one we were lucky they shot 15% from 3. didnt work out that way yesterday. this team is at best a sweet 16 team, and if you're ok with being sweet 16 and that's it every year then that's your opinion.

    amazing how so many people wanted tressel fired in football cause he couldnt win the big games, yet there's people defending matta who has won absolutely nothing and every year his teams under achieve in the big dance

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  • JAG24 said...

    Not true. Hansborough is an undersize center, Sullinger is a power forward. His body type and game is very similar to Randolf.

    hahahah please read what you just said. tyler is an under sized center... sullinger is just as big as hansborough with the same exact game. difference is tyler isnt a fat slob

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  • JAG24 said...

    Not true. Hansborough is an undersize center, Sullinger is a power forward. His body type and game is very similar to Randolf.

    Jag, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The Sullinger-Hansborough comparison is spot on. You are glossing over Sully's athletic shortcomings. Can you play at the next level with his skill set? Certainly. But everyone in the Sully camp has to be concerned with his lack of athleticism. No explosiveness whatsoever. And to take it further, Hansborough is athletically challenge but a tireless and fearless worker. Lately Sully has shown a troubling lack of intestinal fortitude. In high school he was bigger and stronger than everyone else and a very skilled player. He could dominant. In college he is showing that he's no longer bigger and stronger and in fact is going up against better athletes. Because of his skill set and high BB IQ he is doing well but not as well as one would have thought. His next stop is the NBA where he will often be the worst athlete on the floor and they all have high BB IQ's in the NBA. Before the season I thought Sully would be a 17 and 8 type player at the next level. The way he is playing now he looks more like a 10 and 5 on a bad team.

    shep777

  • It seriously was a terrible all around effort minus the offensive production from Thomas, but all i can say is Who's ready for football season?!?!?!?

    Monty_G

  • shep777 said...

    Jag, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The Sullinger-Hansborough comparison is spot on. You are glossing over Sully's athletic shortcomings. Can you play at the next level with his skill set? Certainly. But everyone in the Sully camp has to be concerned with his lack of athleticism. No explosiveness whatsoever. And to take it further, Hansborough is athletically challenge but a tireless and fearless worker. Lately Sully has shown a troubling lack of intestinal fortitude. In high school he was bigger and stronger than everyone else and a very skilled player. He could dominant. In college he is showing that he's no longer bigger and stronger and in fact is going up against better athletes. Because of his skill set and high BB IQ he is doing well but not as well as one would have thought. His next stop is the NBA where he will often be the worst athlete on the floor and they all have high BB IQ's in the NBA. Before the season I thought Sully would be a 17 and 8 type player at the next level. The way he is playing now he looks more like a 10 and 5 on a bad team.

    No chance Sully is a 17-8 guy in the NBA.

    He will be someonle like Big Baby Davis or a poor man's Hansbourough. He will have a tough time getting his shot in the NBA. PFS will be taller, longer, stronger and in better physical shape. Best thing for Sullinger would be to go into the draft, get picked at 20 or so and then spend the year in NBDL.

    odan rot

  • odan rot said...

    No chance Sully is a 17-8 guy in the NBA.

    He will be someonle like Big Baby Davis or a poor man's Hansbourough. He will have a tough time getting his shot in the NBA. PFS will be taller, longer, stronger and in better physical shape. Best thing for Sullinger would be to go into the draft, get picked at 20 or so and then spend the year in NBDL.

    I agree no way is he a 17 and 8 guy. After last season I thought he could be. As I state in my post he will be a 10-5 guy on a bad team in the NBA. Which means if he was on a playoff team he would have worse numbers and maybe a few DNP's during the season. He should run to the draft this year while his stock is still reasonably high. One more year of watching him in college and he may fall out of the first round:)

    shep777

  • shep777 said...

    Jag, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. The Sullinger-Hansborough comparison is spot on. You are glossing over Sully's athletic shortcomings. Can you play at the next level with his skill set? Certainly. But everyone in the Sully camp has to be concerned with his lack of athleticism. No explosiveness whatsoever. And to take it further, Hansborough is athletically challenge but a tireless and fearless worker. Lately Sully has shown a troubling lack of intestinal fortitude. In high school he was bigger and stronger than everyone else and a very skilled player. He could dominant. In college he is showing that he's no longer bigger and stronger and in fact is going up against better athletes. Because of his skill set and high BB IQ he is doing well but not as well as one would have thought. His next stop is the NBA where he will often be the worst athlete on the floor and they all have high BB IQ's in the NBA. Before the season I thought Sully would be a 17 and 8 type player at the next level. The way he is playing now he looks more like a 10 and 5 on a bad team.

    I think you couldn't be more wrong on this topic. I'm surprised Shep, you BB IQ seems alot higher to me than some of the crowd you are agreeing with and I hate to see you join "the dark side" posters.

    You are basically describing Hansborough and not Sullinger. Hansborough relied on size, strength and a hustle advantage over competition at lower levels, but he is also better athletically than Sullinger and much more explosive. Sullinger has relied on getting position, soft hands, shooting touch and has improved his passing at the college level (although he has stuggled in this area of late). I'm not an NBA expert, but in watching Zack Randolf on TV and a couple times in person, I see a great deal of Sullinger's game. Randolf can't really jump, relies on his backside to get position (he's extremely good at this), and has the soft hands.

    Again, you don't need to jump out of the gym to play in the NBA or have great athleticism. It certainly doesn't hurt, but the NBA is about your skill set.

    Sullinger has had a couple of bad games recently, there's no question, but you can't overlook all the double-doubles and many times in his 60 game career that he's led us to victory.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    I think you couldn't be more wrong on this topic. I'm surprised Shep, you BB IQ seems alot higher to me than some of the crowd you are agreeing with and I hate to see you join "the dark side" posters.

    You are basically describing Hansborough and not Sullinger. Hansborough relied on size, strength and a hustle advantage over competition at lower levels, but he is also better athletically than Sullinger and much more explosive. Sullinger has relied on getting position, soft hands, shooting touch and has improved his passing at the college level (although he has stuggled in this area of late). I'm not an NBA expert, but in watching Zack Randolf on TV and a couple times in person, I see a great deal of Sullinger's game. Randolf can't really jump, relies on his backside to get position (he's extremely good at this), and has the soft hands.

    Again, you don't need to jump out of the gym to play in the NBA or have great athleticism. It certainly doesn't hurt, but the NBA is about your skill set.

    Sullinger has had a couple of bad games recently, there's no question, but you can't overlook all the double-doubles and many times in his 60 game career that he's led us to victory.

    randolph has a significantly better repertoire of offensvie skills than sullinger has ever possessed. randolph can hit 3's, play with his back to the basket, hit a midrange jumper, dribble, pass and hit his free throws. fair or not fair, sullinger hasnt shown any of that aside the play with his back to the basket. the teams that sullinger struggles against have guys who are lanky and more athletic. what do you think he'll see in the nba. again comparing sully to nba all stars and buford to nba greats is so freaking dumb i cant even explain. it's unfair to both of them

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  • Saying that NBA all stars or all time greats have off nights is a fact.

    If you conclude Sullinger or Buford can't make it in the NBA based on a handful of sub par games over the last month, you are wrong.

    For example, just because Sullinger missed a couple clutch free throws on Sunday, concluding that he can't hit free throws would be false. He's actually been pretty good at free throws over his two seasons. If, in turn, I said even Mark Price (former Cavalier's guard, among NBA's best all time free throw shooters) occassionally missed, I'm not really comparing Price to Sullinger as much as I am using Price to make a simple point. Frankly, I don't think it's that complicated.

    I don't disagree that Randolf is more skilled than Sullinger is right now. Sullinger has alot of work to do to improve to Randolf's level, I believe he did make the all star team last year. I'm simply saying I see similarities in the style of play, skill set, and body type. Much more than I do with Hansborough.

    I'm not claiming to be an NBA expert by any means, but I don't think I am going out on a limb to saying that more NBA experts would probably agree with my comparison to Randolf as opposed to Hansborough.

    JAG24

  • JAG24 said...

    Saying that NBA all stars or all time greats have off nights is a fact.

    If you conclude Sullinger or Buford can't make it in the NBA based on a handful of sub par games over the last month, you are wrong.

    For example, just because Sullinger missed a couple clutch free throws on Sunday, concluding that he can't hit free throws would be false. He's actually been pretty good at free throws over his two seasons. If, in turn, I said even Mark Price (former Cavalier's guard, among NBA's best all time free throw shooters) occassionally missed, I'm not really comparing Price to Sullinger as much as I am using Price to make a simple point. Frankly, I don't think it's that complicated.

    I don't disagree that Randolf is more skilled than Sullinger is right now. Sullinger has alot of work to do to improve to Randolf's level, I believe he did make the all star team last year. I'm simply saying I see similarities in the style of play, skill set, and body type. Much more than I do with Hansborough.

    I'm not claiming to be an NBA expert by any means, but I don't think I am going out on a limb to saying that more NBA experts would probably agree with my comparison to Randolf as opposed to Hansborough.

    in 5 years we'll have this conversation again and we'll see who was right.. unless sully stays then make it 8 years

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  • JAG24 said...

    I think you couldn't be more wrong on this topic. I'm surprised Shep, you BB IQ seems alot higher to me than some of the crowd you are agreeing with and I hate to see you join "the dark side" posters.

    You are basically describing Hansborough and not Sullinger. Hansborough relied on size, strength and a hustle advantage over competition at lower levels, but he is also better athletically than Sullinger and much more explosive. Sullinger has relied on getting position, soft hands, shooting touch and has improved his passing at the college level (although he has stuggled in this area of late). I'm not an NBA expert, but in watching Zack Randolf on TV and a couple times in person, I see a great deal of Sullinger's game. Randolf can't really jump, relies on his backside to get position (he's extremely good at this), and has the soft hands.

    Again, you don't need to jump out of the gym to play in the NBA or have great athleticism. It certainly doesn't hurt, but the NBA is about your skill set.

    Sullinger has had a couple of bad games recently, there's no question, but you can't overlook all the double-doubles and many times in his 60 game career that he's led us to victory.

    Thanks for the compliment, I think:) I'm kind of a glass half empty guy so the way Sully has been performing recently I have lost some faith. Certainly players with his skill set have been successful in the NBA and Sully will get his chance. He has great hands, possess excellent footwork down low and has a high BB IQ. Zack Randolph is not a terrible comparison as he is not overly athletic similar to Sully. He may be an inch or 2 taller but not enough to be a big difference. The thing with Randolph is that it took him a year or so to get going. He left after his freshman year I believe. He was injured some his first year and struggled in year 2 averaging only 8.4 points and 4.5 rebounds. However in year 3 he took off and has had remarkably consistant numbers since then. Basically a 20 and 10 guy the past 9 years. That tells me that Randolph, like most players coming in to the league, had to adapt to the talent level in the NBA and find out what he could do and could not do. Randolph, as you state, is a position player and has a nice, soft touch from around 18 feet on in. This could be Sully in a few years. Can he get it done...certainly. It's up to him. Also, Sully has to become more focused on his conditioning. That's another thing about Randolph. He came into the league overweight and once he lost the extra baggage and got in good shape he improved dramatically. I'm pulling for Sully to make it and I hope he does. My point is that most people last year felt if he came out he was a lock top 3 pick. Not so much this year...more like a top 10 guy. And sadly I think mostly because of poor conditioning we are not seeing him at his best this year which is going to cost our team dearly in the end.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by shep777 on 2/28/2012 at 2:58 PM

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