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djjonesy said...
No one should get mad over a Matta coached team. It's the same ball play every year. No toughness. Lax play at times. Under achievers. But not new. Matta is no Williams, Coach K, or Calipari who gets the most out of freshmen each year. But, Matta will be here for a long time. He wins 20 games a year and that's enough. Enjoy the 2008 NIT banner. Matta is the Coach Cooper and tressel of BB.
Thank goodness college football is around 12 months a year now. Especially, with off season recruiting with Yrban Meyer.
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djjonesy said...
No one should get mad over a Matta coached team. It's the same ball play every year. No toughness. Lax play at times. Under achievers. But not new. Matta is no Williams, Coach K, or Calipari who gets the most out of freshmen each year. But, Matta will be here for a long time. He wins 20 games a year and that's enough. Enjoy the 2008 NIT banner. Matta is the Coach Cooper and tressel of BB.
Thank goodness college football is around 12 months a year now. Especially, with off season recruiting with Yrban Meyer.
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djjonesy said...
No one should get mad over a Matta coached team. It's the same ball play every year. No toughness. Lax play at times. Under achievers. But not new. Matta is no Williams, Coach K, or Calipari who gets the most out of freshmen each year. But, Matta will be here for a long time. He wins 20 games a year and that's enough. Enjoy the 2008 NIT banner. Matta is the Coach Cooper and tressel of BB.
Thank goodness college football is around 12 months a year now. Especially, with off season recruiting with Yrban Meyer.
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canadabuck10 said...
I'm sick about reading about how people are upset with Matta's substitution methods. Did they not win the game? What is Mattas record like? The guy wins and knows how to win. He plays the best 5, period. The rest of the team needs to work hard in practice and they can get time. Buford did not look tired on that game winning shot.
Stop with the whining
This post was edited by RonnyD on 3/5/2012 at 12:11 PM
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RonnyD said...
EXACTLY.
The only time the substitution pattern should come into criticism is if there is foul trouble, and the guy who comes into the game shows he is not capable of holding down the fort. We saw an example yesterday with Ravenel, and he did a tremendous job.
College basketball athletes should not be getting tired. There are FOUR media timeouts throughout each half, along with the other chances to rest (timeouts, fouls, obligatory monitor check each game by the referees).
These guys have grown up playing AAU ball where you play 5, 6, 7 games, or more, in a weekend. Add on the fact that they have top-notch S&C coaches and workouts throughout the offseason. They are in peak condition.
The best five should be on the court. If you don't have a "top 5" and have a bunch of equally talented players, then spread out the minutes. I believe we have seen this season that is not the case with Ohio State. There is a top 6-7, and several others who get a chance to contribute when the situation calls for it. MOST top college teams do it the same way...
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JAG24 said...
I respectfully disagree. Although he hit the huge baseline jumper yesterday and was real solid down the stretch, I think Craft's offense has suffered this season because he is expending too much energy on defense and running the point. We've seen him breakdown late in a few games.
This might have also been part of the problem with Buford's inconsistent shooting this year as well, although he was absolutely spectacular yesterday. A guy needs a certain amount of gas left in the tank for free throws and outside shots. I don't know where Buford got the energy, but look at how he elevated on the game winner yesterday.
In a previous thread we looked at minutes per game and found that the 3 best teams over the last decade had solid 7-man rotations, where the 7 got at least 15 minutes per game. This seemed to be the magic number. We were actually closer to that last season than we are right now as Lauderdale and DeShaun Thomas were both around 15 minutes per game.
Ravenel, Scott, and Thompson are around 10 last I checked. I think we need to get these three, especially Scott, up to the 15 minute mark.
This post was edited by whvball on 3/5/2012 at 1:43 PM
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JAG24 said...
I respectfully disagree. Although he hit the huge baseline jumper yesterday and was real solid down the stretch, I think Craft's offense has suffered this season because he is expending too much energy on defense and running the point. We've seen him breakdown late in a few games.
This might have also been part of the problem with Buford's inconsistent shooting this year as well, although he was absolutely spectacular yesterday. A guy needs a certain amount of gas left in the tank for free throws and outside shots. I don't know where Buford got the energy, but look at how he elevated on the game winner yesterday.
In a previous thread we looked at minutes per game and found that the 3 best teams over the last decade had solid 7-man rotations, where the 7 got at least 15 minutes per game. This seemed to be the magic number. We were actually closer to that last season than we are right now as Lauderdale and DeShaun Thomas were both around 15 minutes per game.
Ravenel, Scott, and Thompson are around 10 last I checked. I think we need to get these three, especially Scott, up to the 15 minute mark.
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whvball said...
I think it depends on your players and how many minutes the 'bench' players can play at their highest level. Ravenel played 8 minutes (per espn box score) and they were the best 8 minutes he's played all year. Scott played 7 minutes and did well as did Thompson (although espn has him committing 3 TO's, which I only remember one). But I'm not sure you get better results if they play more. Bench players are role players. They do what they need to do and if they are out there for much more than expected, they have diminishing returns. I don't think there is a ''magic number'' of players to play and how many minutes they play. Some years it might be a 6 man rotation, some years a 9 man rotation. Depends on the team.
Izzo has played the same offensive sets for years and it's mostly motion offense. It's easier to 'plug and play' in a system offense (another example would be Wisconsin) than it is where the offense is built around the players.
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RonnyD said...
I understand and respect your point, but I think you need to cite when/how things have actually happened during the course of a game for it to be a "fatigue" issue.
When Buford, Thomas, Craft, etc. have been off, they've been off the entire game. It's not as if they shoot well in the first half, but can't make a shot in the second. Far from it. It has been a game-long issue, and normally rears its head early in the game, rather than late. And on the contrary, we have seen Buford get hot in the second halves of games after unspectacular starts (Purdue, Michigan State, Wisconsin games).
The inconsistency, to me, has more to do with a "mental" issue - selfishness, not valuing the ball properly (bad shots, turnovers), getting lackadaisical on certain defensive possessions, being overly concerned with the refereeing - than fatigue.
I'm sure we will agree to disagree, and that's fine. At least we have enough people interested in and supporting this team that we can argue over these things!
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JAG24 said...
Keep in mind that Ravenel probably wouldn't even have gotten the 8 minutes had Sullinger not been in foul trouble. I do think Ravenel, being an older and more experienced player, can play shorter stints and contribute. But it's much harder to expect a freshman to be thrown in for a few minutes here or there and play roles per say. These guys needed minutes to gain experience, work through mistakes, learn that the coach has confidence in them, and to be reactive as opposed to over-thinking. Playing a guy in garbage minutes doesn't count. I really believe you need to give a guy stretches of quality minutes in close games to see what he can do.
We have been debating Matta's lack of using the bench all season. He's not going to change his ways at this point. He will ride the horses that got him there, for better or worse. I still believe he is trying to get Scott more minutes to allow Craft to play the 2-guard and add a much needed outside shotting threat because Buford and Thomas are too streaky. Matta trusts Scott to take care of the ball and play defense, which in turn, can allow Craft to conserve some energy. He knows we are one cold night by Buford and Thomas away from getting bounced in the tournament and he needs Craft to be able to hit some shots and contribute.
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BlueHenBuckeye
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Brad53 said...
Have you seen Scott's last few games? He has been terrible. I knew he could not shoot but he is turnover prone. Not a good characteristic for a point guard. I don't see him take to the hoop and actually convert much either. He has a long way to go. If Thompson could only score a little he would merit serious playing time.







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